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The most "experienced" candidate ever to run for the White House also happened to be the least suspecting victim of ISIS, according to Snopes' "fact-checking".
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lo yeeOn
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Our innocent Hillary just kept arming those ISIS terrorists with
American lethal weapons. Knowingly or not, she was going to protect
us too!:)

So, what's the point of arming someone and then fighting him?

It could'a unwrapped this paradox had the State Department worked to
uncover those mysterious HRC emails that she declared to be "private"
and off-limit to the public that she generated during the time she as
Obama's SoS. At least that's the opinion of Judge Stephen Williams.

At the time, Hillary was directing the late Ambassador Chris Stevens
to smuggle weapons through Libya and determined to turn the country
into a failed state. She was then plotting the same for Syria, with
the helpful hands of the ISIS fighters.

[Judge] Napolitano explained that to use intelligence assets under
the war powers resolution, Clinton needed the cooperation and
informal consent of the "Congress within the Congress," referring to
the House Committee on Intelligence and the Senate Select Committee
on Intelligence, which are sworn to secrecy.

"The result is the president of the United States, the secretary of
state and about two dozen people in the House and Senate, including
the leadership of both parties in both houses, can authorize a
clandestine war using CIA assets" he said.

"And this is exactly what President Obama and Secretary Clinton
did."

Having obtained the authorization of the House and Senate
intelligence committees, Clinton began a secret gun-running
operation to Libya, using a provision in the United Nations-imposed
arms embargo on Libya that allowed the foreign minister of
participating countries to grant an exception to the embargo,
Napolitano said [regarding the Turi arms smuggling case].

So the Turi case provided startling information about Hillary's
secrets in regard to her relationship with the ISIS fighters she
armed. Judge Napolitano's analysis was instructive in pointing out
the ways and means the powers that be can lead us to war and mayhem
with little information available to the public.

lo yeeOn

1) An appelate court judge thinks that something was fishy at the
State Department in connection with the HRC emails.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/u-appeals-court-revives-clinton-email-suit-194958894.html

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - In a new legal development on the controversy
over former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton's emails, an appeals
court on Tuesday reversed a lower court ruling and said two
U.S. government agencies should have done more to recover the emails.

The ruling from Judge Stephen Williams, of the U.S. Court of Appeals
for the District of Columbia Circuit, revives one of a number of legal
challenges involving Clinton's handling of government emails when she
was secretary of state from 2009 to 2013.

Clinton, the 2016 Democratic presidential nominee, used a private
email server housed at her New York home to handle State Department
emails. She handed over 55,000 emails to U.S. officials probing that
system, but did not release about 30,000 she said were personal and
not work related.

. . .

While the State Department and National Archives took steps to recover
the emails from Clinton's tenure, they did not ask the U.S. attorney
general to take enforcement action. Two conservative groups filed
lawsuits to force their hand.

A district judge in January ruled the suits brought by Judicial Watch
and Cause of Action moot, saying State and the National Archives made
a "sustained effort" to recover and preserve Clinton's records.

But Williams said the two agencies should have done more, according to
the ruling in the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia
Circuit. Since the agencies neither asked the attorney general for
help nor showed such enforcement action could not uncover new emails,
the case was not moot.

"The Department has not explained why shaking the tree harder - e.g.,
by following the statutory mandate to seek action by the Attorney
General - might not bear more still," Williams wrote. "Absent a
showing that the requested enforcement action could not shake loose a
few more emails, the case is not moot."

2) Evidence backs claim that Hillary armed ISIS

'They are supporting all the terror groups'
http://www.wnd.com/2016/12/evidence-backs-erdogans-claim-that-hillary-armed-isis/

NEW YORK - Documents made public by the Washington watchdog group
Judicial Watch and separately by Wikileaks Julian Assange back up
Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan's assertion on Tuesday that U.S.-led
coalition forces have given support to terror groups, including ISIS
in Syria.

In an interview with Democracy Now's Juan Gonzalez. "So, those
Hillary Clinton emails, they connect together with the cables that we
have published of Hillary Clinton, creating a rich picture of how
Hillary Clinton performs in office, but, more broadly, how the
U.S. Department of State operates," Assange said in the interview.

"So, for example, the disastrous, absolutely disastrous intervention
in Libya, the destruction of the Gadhafi government, which led to the
occupation of ISIS of large segments of that country, weapons flows
going over to Syria, being pushed by Hillary Clinton, into jihadists
within Syria, including ISIS, that's there in those emails."

The Obama administration's betrayal is exposed in "See Something, Say
Nothing: A Homeland Security Officer Exposes the Government's
Submission to Jihad," by former DHS officer Philip Haney and WND
Editor Art Moore!

Erdogan said that rather than supporting Turkey, the West was backing
ISIS and groups Turkey classifies as terrorist organizations, the
Kurdish Peoples' Protection Units and Democratic Union Party, who work
with the U.S. on the ground in Syria.

"They are supporting all the terror groups," Erdogan said. "It's quite
clear, perfectly obvious," he said, offering to provide proof in
pictures and video.

See the Assange interview on Hillary;s emails:

In response to the Assange interview, Snopes.com, a left-leaning
"fact-checking" website, argued that Assange released no emails that
proved she "deliberately and knowingly" arranged for the United States
to sell weapons to ISIS.

Snopes.com, however, did agree Clinton "in her role in shaping the
United States' actions regarding the Libyan intervention and the
ongoing Syrian civil war: may have negligently allowed arms to fall
into the hands of "jihadists".

As a consequence, Snopes judged Assange's claim a "mixture of true and
false", insisting Clinton's negligence in allowing U.S. weapons to
fall into the hands of ISIS terrorists in Syria was not the same thing
as "selling weapons to ISIS".

However, since 2011 WND has reported that documents released by
Judicial Watch and Wikileaks showed Clinton's State Department
engineering the clandestine transfer of weapons from Libya to Syria
that ended up in the hands of terrorist groups aligned with ISIS and
al-Qaida.

Ambassador Stevens involved in weapons shipping

In May 2015, WND reported Judicial Watch made public more than 100
pages of previously classified Department of Defense and Department of
State documents implicating the Obama administration in a cover-up to
obscure the role Clinton and the State Department played in the rise
of ISIS.

The documents, obtained by Judicial Watch in a Freedom of Information
Act lawsuit, provide evidence that U.S. Ambassador Christopher Stevens
was involved in shipping weapons from Benghazi to support the
al-Qaida-affiliated militias fighting the Bashar al-Assad regime in
Syria, effectively arming the Sunni jihadists who morphed into ISIS.

Judicial Watch also noted the DOD documents contain the first official
documentation that the Obama administration knew that weapons were
being shipped from the Port of Benghazi to rebel troops in Syria.

An October 2012 DOD report confirmed:

Weapons from the former Libya military stockpiles were shipped from
the port of Benghazi, Libya to the Port of Banias and the Port of
Borj Islam, Syria. The weapons shipped during late-August 2012 were
Sniper rifles, RPGs, and 125 mm and 155mm howitzers missiles.

During the immediate aftermath of, and following the uncertainty
caused by, the downfall of the (Qaddafi) regime in October 2011 and
up until early September of 2012, weapons from the former Libya
military stockpiles located in Benghazi, Libya were shipped from the
port of Benghazi, Libya to the ports of Banias and the Port of Borj
Islam, Syria. The Syrian ports were chosen due to the small amount
of cargo traffic transiting these two ports. The ships used to
transport the weapons were medium-sized and able to hold 10 or less
shipping containers of cargo.

A DIA document made public by Wikileaks included an inventory of
weapons that closely matches the inventory listed in the Department of
Justice criminal case against arms dealer Marc Turi:

The weapons shipped from Syria during late-August 2012 were Sniper
rifles, RPG's and 125mm and 155mm howitzers missiles. The numbers
for each weapon were estimated to be: 500 Sniper rifles, 100 RPG
launchers with 300 total rounds, and approximately 400 howitzers
missiles [200ea - 125mm and 200ea - 155mm].

The heavily redacted document does not disclose who was shipping the
weapons.

Judicial Watch noted an August 2012 Defense Intelligence Agency
report, written at time the U.S. was monitoring weapons flows from
Libya to Syria, said "the Salafist, the Muslim Brotherhood, and AQI
are the major forces driving the insurgency in Syria."

Judicial Watch commented that the sectarian direction of the war in
Syria was predicted to have dire consequences for Iraq, which included
the "grave danger" of the rise of ISIS.

The DIA document noted:

This creates the ideal atmosphere for AQI [al Qaeda Iraq] to return
to its old pockets in Mosul and Ramadi, and will provide a renewed
momentum under the presumption of unifying the jihad among Sunni
Iraq and Syria, and the rest of the Sunnis in the Arab world against
what it considers one enemy, the dissenters. ISI could also declare
an Islamic state through its union with other terrorist
organizations in Iraq and Syria, which will create grave danger in
regards to unifying Iraq and the protection of its territory.

Judicial Watch said some of the "dire consequences" are blacked out,
but the DIA presciently warned one such consequence would be renewing
facilitation of terrorist elements from all over the Arab world
entering into Iraqi Arena.

Clinton sought to arm Free Syria Army

In an Aug. 17, 2014, email released by Wikileaks, Clinton, after her
service as secretary of state, suggested to John Podesta: "At the same
time, we should return to plans to provide the FSA [Free Syria Army],
with some group of moderate forces, with equipment that twill allow
them to deal with a weakened ISIL, and stepped up operations against
the Syrian regime".

Andrew C. McCarthy, a senior policy fellow at the National Review
Institute, tied the statement to the Obama administration's plan to
equip Syrian fighters, either the Free Syrian Army or "other moderate
forces," to a U.S.-led operation in coordination with Saudi Arabia,
Qatar and Turkey to steer weapons to Syria, "ostensibly to fight both
Assad and ISIS".

McCarthy noted, however, that Clinton's 2014 memo to Podesta asserted
the Saudi and Qatari governments both supported ISIS and other
"radical Sunni groups".

In September 2013, WND reported Secretary of State John F. Kerry and
Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., had relied on the work of Elizabeth O'Bagy,
a 26-year-old graduate student, to argue in testimony before the
Senate Foreign Relations Committee that the Obama administration
should send weapons to arm the "moderate" Free Syria Army to oppose
the Assad government in Syria.

WND detailed the extensive lobbying efforts conducted in Washington to
advance the FSA as a "moderate group", despite clear evidence the
al-Nusra Front - operating under the FSA umbrella - had been declared
a terrorist organization by the State Department; has pledged
allegiance to al Qaida's top leader, Ayman al-Zawahiri; and was the
group of choice for foreign jihadis pouring into Syria.

in September 2014, WND reported O'Bagy, who had been fired from her
job with a Washington think-tank after her exposure by WND as a source
for Kerry's argument that the FSA is a "moderate" rebel force in
Syria, had also arranged for McCain a trip to Syria in May 2013,
during which senator met with Abdul Hakim Belhaj, who was then
represented as a leader of the FSA.

In November 2013, WND reported trusted Libyan expatriates had claimed
Belhaj was at large in Libya. The expatriates identified Belhaj as an
al-Qaida operative, noting he was at the top of a list of Libyan
terrorists banned by the European Union from obtaining entrance visas
and was the principal organizer of the terrorist attack in Benghazi on
Sept. 11, 2011, in which Ambassador Stevens was murdered.

Clinton arms deals tied to Turi prosecution

McCarthy tied Clinton's 2014 comment to Podesta regarding the FSA to a
weapons shipment from Benghazi to Turkey for eventual transit to Syria
that occurred just days before the Benghazi attack. McCarthy noted the
September 2012 weapons shipment was coordinated by Belhaj, "an
al-Qaeda-affiliated jihadist with whom Stevens had consulted during
the uprising against Qadhafi".

McCarthy further noted the September 2012 shipment of weapons had been
arranged by Marc Turi, a professional arms dealer who had been
indicted by federal prosecutors in Phoenix for supplying arms to
Libyan "rebels" during the 2010-2011 war.

McCarthy commented the Obama administration dropped the criminal case
one day before a court-ordered deadline to disclose information about
its efforts to arm Muslim rebels.

"Turi's lawyers had explained his defense to the court: His arms
shipments, destined for the Libyan rebels and channeled through Qatar
and the United Arab Emirates, were part of a U.S.-authorized effort,"
McCarthy wrote. "Turi further asserts that the Obama administration
was subsequently complicit in the shipment of weapons from Libya to
`rebels' in Syria, who are fighting the Assad regime."

Fox News senior judicial analyst Judge Andrew Napolitano, in an
interview with WND, insisted the DOJ was forced to drop the Turi
prosecution because federal prosecutors were convinced his defense
would expose Clinton's secret arms running to the radical
al-Qaida-affiliated militia in Libya in 2011.

Video proof of arms transfer

WND published visual evidence Clinton's State Department secretly
provided weapons to Islamic jihadists in Libya to support the
U.S.-backed NATO bombing in 2011.

In one of the videos published by WND, Moussa Ibrahim, Gadhafi's
information minister and official spokesman, displayed to reporters in
2011 a cache of weapons and ammunition seized from a ship from Qatar
intercepted by the Libyan Coast Guard off Libya's coast.

The video matched a report of Qatari military equipment seized in
mid-April 2011. Anthony Bell and David Witter of the Institute for the
Study of War, in their October 2011 publication "Anthony Bell and
David Witter of the Institute for the Study of War, in their October
2011 publication "The Libyan Revolution: Stalemate & Siege, Part 3,"
said the shipment "consisting of bulletproof vests, helmets and
ammunition were bound for the rebels besieged in Misrata".

"Though his shipment was unannounced, Qatari Prime Minister al-Thani
alluded to arming the rebels just days before the crates appeared,"
they wrote.

Turi caught in Clinton's secret war

WND reported in July 2015 Napolitano's concerns that Turi was being
set up for prosecution to continue a cover-up of the secret war on
Libya.

The background of the Turi prosecution, while complicated, is at the
heart of an allegation made by Napolitano in a syndicated column
published July 1, 2015.

Napolitano charged Clinton, while secretary of state, lied when
Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky., asked her in a Senate committee hearing if the
State Department had run guns illegally to Libyan rebels.

An interview of Turi by Fox News intelligence correspondent Catherine
Herridge and Fox News senior executive producer Pamela Browne led
Napolitano to review emails to and from State Department and
congressional officials during the years when Clinton was secretary of
state.

Napolitano concluded it's "beyond a reasonable doubt and to a moral
certainty" that Hillary had conducted a "secret war" shipping arms to
Libya illegally in 2011.

Turi used as a pawn

Napolitano detailed for WND his understanding of the events behind the
Obama administration's decision to run a clandestine war against
Gadhafi.

"Secretary Clinton decided she had to get rid of Gadhafi because she
wanted to take credit when she ran for president for being the
government official responsible for liberating Libya," Napolitano
said.

Clinton knew she would never get a declaration of war from Congress or
authorization under the war powers resolution enacted over President
Nixon's veto in 1973, he asserted.

"So, Secretary Clinton persuaded Obama to use CIA intelligence assets
who would be exempted from the war powers resolution even if they wore
military fatigues in Libya.

Napolitano explained that to use intelligence assets under the war
powers resolution, Clinton needed the cooperation and informal consent
of the "Congress within the Congress," referring to the House
Committee on Intelligence and the Senate Select Committee on
Intelligence, which are sworn to secrecy.

"The result is the president of the United States, the secretary of
state and about two dozen people in the House and Senate, including
the leadership of both parties in both houses, can authorize a
clandestine war using CIA assets" he said.

"And this is exactly what President Obama and Secretary Clinton did."

Having obtained the authorization of the House and Senate intelligence
committees, Clinton began a secret gun-running operation to Libya,
using a provision in the United Nations-imposed arms embargo on Libya
that allowed the foreign minister of participating countries to grant
an exception to the embargo, Napolitano said.

The irony of Turi's prosecution is that he never actually shipped any
weapons to Libya. But in prosecuting Turi for planning to ship
weapons, Turi's attorneys argued in his defense that the Obama
administration was planning to blame Turi for the arms shipment should
Secretary Clinton's clandestine arms dealings ever become public.

---------

3) See also Hillary's interest in arming terrorists from early
publications, e.g.,

http://insider.foxnews.com/2015/07/02/judge-nap-hillary-clinton-approved-arms-terrorists-syria-libya

Judge Andrew Napolitano revealed this morning what he has concluded
after reviewing hundreds of pages of documents and emails related to
Hillary Clinton's tenure as secretary of state.

The judge wrote today in a Washington Times column that the
documents "persuaded me beyond a reasonable doubt and to a moral
certainty that Mrs. Clinton provided material assistance to
terrorists and lied to Congress.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/05/28/emails-show-clintons-interest-in-arming-libyan-rebels-despite-prohibitions/

Recently released emails detail then-Secretary of State Hillary
Clinton's interest in arming Libyan opposition groups using private
security contractors before the fall of Muammar Qaddafi in 2011 -
though at the time, the opposition was not formally recognized by the
U.S. or United Nations, which prohibited arming without following
strict guidelines and oversight.

The issue remains so sensitive that the emails recently released by
the State Department redacted a key line on the matter. But the
unredacted version of the same email, released to the congressional
Benghazi Select Committee and first posted by The New York Times last
Thursday, showed Clinton appearing to endorse the idea of using
private contractors to her then-deputy chief of staff, Jake Sullivan.

"FYI. The idea of using private security experts to arm the opposition
should be considered," Clinton wrote to Sullivan on April 8, 2011,
attaching an intelligence report from Hillary's adviser Sidney
Blumenthal. The opposition was known as the Transitional National
Council, or TNC."

Another email released by the State Department shows that five days
earlier, on April 3, 2011, Bill Clinton said he would not rule out
arming the Libyan opposition. The story was circulated by Cheryl
Mills, Hillary Clinton's principal personal adviser at the State
Department, to "H". While it's not clear who "H" is, based on the
message traffic it is likely Hillary Clinton or possibly adviser Huma
Abedin.

Later that same year, a Sept. 10, 2011 email with a subject line
"Rogers" said, "Apparently wants to see you to talk Libya/weapons."

At the time, the Republican chairman of the House Intelligence
Committee was Mike Rogers, who abruptly announced he would not seek
re-election in the spring of 2014. Rogers did not immediately respond
to questions seeking comment. Fox News also filed its own Freedom of
Information Act request for the documents in October 2012.

Current and former intelligence and administration officials
consistently have skirted questions about weapons shipments, first
documented by Fox News in October 2012, one month after the Benghazi
terrorist attack, and what role the movement played in arming
extremist groups the U.S. government is now trying to defeat in Syria
and Iraq.

Through shipping records, Fox News confirmed that the Libyan-flagged
vessel Al Entisar, which means "The Victory," was received in the
Turkish port of Iskenderun -- 35 miles from the Syrian border -- on
Sept. 6, 2012, five days before the Benghazi terrorist attack. The
cargo reportedly included surface-to-air anti-aircraft missiles, RPG's
and Russian-designed shoulder-launched missiles known as MANPADS.

"Secretary Clinton decided she had to get rid of Gadhafi because she
wanted to take credit when she ran for president for being the
government official responsible for liberating Libya," Napolitano
said.

Clinton knew she would never get a declaration of war from Congress or
authorization under the war powers resolution enacted over President
Nixon's veto in 1973, he asserted.

"So, Secretary Clinton persuaded Obama to use CIA intelligence assets
who would be exempted from the war powers resolution even if they wore
military fatigues in Libya.

Napolitano explained that to use intelligence assets under the war
powers resolution, Clinton needed the cooperation and informal consent
of the "Congress within the Congress," referring to the House
Committee on Intelligence and the Senate Select Committee on
Intelligence, which are sworn to secrecy.

"The result is the president of the United States, the secretary of
state and about two dozen people in the House and Senate, including
the leadership of both parties in both houses, can authorize a
clandestine war using CIA assets" he said.

"And this is exactly what President Obama and Secretary Clinton did."

. . .
lo yeeOn
2016-12-28 22:52:15 UTC
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[his typical tripe]
The WND article noted that Snopes argued that Hillary's negligence in
letting weapons fall into the hands of ISIS is not the same thing as
*selling* weapons to ISIS. This is of course true.
lo yeeOn is either dishonest or stupid.
Of course, it's bmoore's modus operandi in the SCC group to try to
discredit posts which do not agree with the neocon narrative.

He thinks he can pull a fast one for the casual readers in the group.

He thinks he can smear the messenger to kill the message. But he, as
always, has failed once again.

And as always I only make claims that I have stuff to back it up with
in the same article that i post.

The point for me to cite the WND article, including Snopes' lame
excuse for Hillary is to show that Snopes deliberately ignored the
long history of Hillary's clandestine involvement in arming ISIS
during her tenure as SoS. In fact, ignoring the context is a common
defense tactic for criminals like Hillary who made regime change the
focus of her State job and started out with the grotesque project to
overthrow the Gaddafi government in Libya and then shifted her regime
change human resources, aka, her mercenaries, along with the arms they
had used in the Libyan war, to Syria.

I didn't have to do anything except to quote the WND article because
it details the context of Hillary's history of arming terrorists.

It's clear why Snopes said thing that would _appear_ to absolve
Hillary. It's, as WND pointed out, a "left-leaning" organization. It
didn't like Assange's revelation on Democracy Now and it of course
didn't like Assange's recent Christmas Eve interview with Repubblica's
Stefania Maurizi. So, even as Snopes cannot deny the fact that
weapons captured from fleeing ISIS fighters have the "made in the US"
label, it ignores all the ISIS supporting activities Hillary and her
staff have been engaged in in those years that caused millions of
Syrians to be homeless and hundreds of thousands more to be killed.

But WND made very careful documentation of what Judicial Watch, Judge
Napolitano have analyzed - through hundreds of pages of documents they
were able to uncover through the FOIA.

Some of the most damning evidence that has come through was that the
late Ambassador Christopher Stevens was moving arms from group to
group in Libya to help Hillary accomplish what NATO could not do in
the air. And because of Stevens' interaction with ISIS, he was
eventually killed when ISIS attacked the US consulate in Benghazi.
("If you lie down with a rattle snake you may get bitten", as the
proverb goes.) That tragedy was merely a point of illustration of the
dark side of regime change - using terrorists to overthrow governments.

Julian Assange used much more diplomatic terms to describe this dark
stuff.

"So, for example, the disastrous, absolutely disastrous intervention
in Libya, the destruction of the Gadhafi government, which led to
the occupation of ISIS of large segments of that country, weapons
flows going over to Syria, being pushed by Hillary Clinton, into
jihadists within Syria, including ISIS, that's there in those emails."

And a former Obama administration DHS officer Philip Haney and WND
Editor Art Moore explained the administration's silence on the
Benghazi fiasco in "See Something, Say Nothing: A Homeland Security
Officer Exposes the Government's Submission to Jihad,"

Turkish President Erdogan just revealed that the US was working with
ISIS in Syria.

"They are supporting all the terror groups," Erdogan said. "It's
quite clear, perfectly obvious," he said, offering to provide proof
in pictures and video.

And I specifically put Judge Napolitano's analysis at the top of my
post to show that Assange's revelation on Hillary's business in arming
ISIS is firmly backed up by the way our government has worked using
intelligence information to start a war against a country somewhere on
this planet - very sleazy and very secretive.

[Judge] Napolitano explained that to use intelligence assets under
the war powers resolution, Clinton needed the cooperation and
informal consent of the "Congress within the Congress," referring to
the House Committee on Intelligence and the Senate Select Committee
on Intelligence, which are sworn to secrecy.

"The result is the president of the United States, the secretary of
state and about two dozen people in the House and Senate, including
the leadership of both parties in both houses, can authorize a
clandestine war using CIA assets" he said.

"And this is exactly what President Obama and Secretary Clinton
did."

Having obtained the authorization of the House and Senate
intelligence committees, Clinton began a secret gun-running
operation to Libya, using a provision in the United Nations-imposed
arms embargo on Libya that allowed the foreign minister of
participating countries to grant an exception to the embargo,
Napolitano said [regarding the Turi arms smuggling case].

So, despite the lame effort by people like bmoore, truthers aren't
willing to let Obama and his left-wing mouthpieces like Snopes to
smother their desire to get to the truth of things in Washington.

lo yeeOn

ORIGINAL POST, for reference:

Our innocent Hillary just kept arming those ISIS terrorists with
American lethal weapons. Knowingly or not, she was going to protect
us too!:)

So, what's the point of arming someone and then fighting him?

It could'a unwrapped this paradox had the State Department worked to
uncover those mysterious HRC emails that she declared to be "private"
and off-limit to the public that she generated during the time she as
Obama's SoS. At least that's the opinion of Judge Stephen Williams.

At the time, Hillary was directing the late Ambassador Chris Stevens
to smuggle weapons through Libya and determined to turn the country
into a failed state. She was then plotting the same for Syria, with
the helpful hands of the ISIS fighters.

[Judge] Napolitano explained that to use intelligence assets under
the war powers resolution, Clinton needed the cooperation and
informal consent of the "Congress within the Congress," referring to
the House Committee on Intelligence and the Senate Select Committee
on Intelligence, which are sworn to secrecy.

"The result is the president of the United States, the secretary of
state and about two dozen people in the House and Senate, including
the leadership of both parties in both houses, can authorize a
clandestine war using CIA assets" he said.

"And this is exactly what President Obama and Secretary Clinton
did."

Having obtained the authorization of the House and Senate
intelligence committees, Clinton began a secret gun-running
operation to Libya, using a provision in the United Nations-imposed
arms embargo on Libya that allowed the foreign minister of
participating countries to grant an exception to the embargo,
Napolitano said [regarding the Turi arms smuggling case].

So the Turi case provided startling information about Hillary's
secrets in regard to her relationship with the ISIS fighters she
armed. Judge Napolitano's analysis was instructive in pointing out
the ways and means the powers that be can lead us to war and mayhem
with little information available to the public.

lo yeeOn

1) An appelate court judge thinks that something was fishy at the
State Department in connection with the HRC emails.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/u-appeals-court-revives-clinton-email-suit-194958894.html

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - In a new legal development on the controversy
over former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton's emails, an appeals
court on Tuesday reversed a lower court ruling and said two
U.S. government agencies should have done more to recover the emails.

The ruling from Judge Stephen Williams, of the U.S. Court of Appeals
for the District of Columbia Circuit, revives one of a number of legal
challenges involving Clinton's handling of government emails when she
was secretary of state from 2009 to 2013.

Clinton, the 2016 Democratic presidential nominee, used a private
email server housed at her New York home to handle State Department
emails. She handed over 55,000 emails to U.S. officials probing that
system, but did not release about 30,000 she said were personal and
not work related.

. . .

While the State Department and National Archives took steps to recover
the emails from Clinton's tenure, they did not ask the U.S. attorney
general to take enforcement action. Two conservative groups filed
lawsuits to force their hand.

A district judge in January ruled the suits brought by Judicial Watch
and Cause of Action moot, saying State and the National Archives made
a "sustained effort" to recover and preserve Clinton's records.

But Williams said the two agencies should have done more, according to
the ruling in the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia
Circuit. Since the agencies neither asked the attorney general for
help nor showed such enforcement action could not uncover new emails,
the case was not moot.

"The Department has not explained why shaking the tree harder - e.g.,
by following the statutory mandate to seek action by the Attorney
General - might not bear more still," Williams wrote. "Absent a
showing that the requested enforcement action could not shake loose a
few more emails, the case is not moot."

2) Evidence backs claim that Hillary armed ISIS

'They are supporting all the terror groups'
http://www.wnd.com/2016/12/evidence-backs-erdogans-claim-that-hillary-armed-isis/

NEW YORK - Documents made public by the Washington watchdog group
Judicial Watch and separately by Wikileaks Julian Assange back up
Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan's assertion on Tuesday that U.S.-led
coalition forces have given support to terror groups, including ISIS
in Syria.

In an interview with Democracy Now's Juan Gonzalez. "So, those
Hillary Clinton emails, they connect together with the cables that we
have published of Hillary Clinton, creating a rich picture of how
Hillary Clinton performs in office, but, more broadly, how the
U.S. Department of State operates," Assange said in the interview.

"So, for example, the disastrous, absolutely disastrous intervention
in Libya, the destruction of the Gadhafi government, which led to the
occupation of ISIS of large segments of that country, weapons flows
going over to Syria, being pushed by Hillary Clinton, into jihadists
within Syria, including ISIS, that's there in those emails."

The Obama administration's betrayal is exposed in "See Something, Say
Nothing: A Homeland Security Officer Exposes the Government's
Submission to Jihad," by former DHS officer Philip Haney and WND
Editor Art Moore!

Erdogan said that rather than supporting Turkey, the West was backing
ISIS and groups Turkey classifies as terrorist organizations, the
Kurdish Peoples' Protection Units and Democratic Union Party, who work
with the U.S. on the ground in Syria.

"They are supporting all the terror groups," Erdogan said. "It's quite
clear, perfectly obvious," he said, offering to provide proof in
pictures and video.

See the Assange interview on Hillary's emails:

In response to the Assange interview, Snopes.com, a left-leaning
"fact-checking" website, argued that Assange released no emails that
proved she "deliberately and knowingly" arranged for the United States
to sell weapons to ISIS.

Snopes.com, however, did agree Clinton "in her role in shaping the
United States' actions regarding the Libyan intervention and the
ongoing Syrian civil war: may have negligently allowed arms to fall
into the hands of "jihadists".

As a consequence, Snopes judged Assange's claim a "mixture of true and
false", insisting Clinton's negligence in allowing U.S. weapons to
fall into the hands of ISIS terrorists in Syria was not the same thing
as "selling weapons to ISIS".

However, since 2011 WND has reported that documents released by
Judicial Watch and Wikileaks showed Clinton's State Department
engineering the clandestine transfer of weapons from Libya to Syria
that ended up in the hands of terrorist groups aligned with ISIS and
al-Qaida.

Ambassador Stevens involved in weapons shipping

In May 2015, WND reported Judicial Watch made public more than 100
pages of previously classified Department of Defense and Department of
State documents implicating the Obama administration in a cover-up to
obscure the role Clinton and the State Department played in the rise
of ISIS.

The documents, obtained by Judicial Watch in a Freedom of Information
Act lawsuit, provide evidence that U.S. Ambassador Christopher Stevens
was involved in shipping weapons from Benghazi to support the
al-Qaida-affiliated militias fighting the Bashar al-Assad regime in
Syria, effectively arming the Sunni jihadists who morphed into ISIS.

Judicial Watch also noted the DOD documents contain the first official
documentation that the Obama administration knew that weapons were
being shipped from the Port of Benghazi to rebel troops in Syria.

An October 2012 DOD report confirmed:

Weapons from the former Libya military stockpiles were shipped from
the port of Benghazi, Libya to the Port of Banias and the Port of
Borj Islam, Syria. The weapons shipped during late-August 2012 were
Sniper rifles, RPGs, and 125 mm and 155mm howitzers missiles.

During the immediate aftermath of, and following the uncertainty
caused by, the downfall of the (Qaddafi) regime in October 2011 and
up until early September of 2012, weapons from the former Libya
military stockpiles located in Benghazi, Libya were shipped from the
port of Benghazi, Libya to the ports of Banias and the Port of Borj
Islam, Syria. The Syrian ports were chosen due to the small amount
of cargo traffic transiting these two ports. The ships used to
transport the weapons were medium-sized and able to hold 10 or less
shipping containers of cargo.

A DIA document made public by Wikileaks included an inventory of
weapons that closely matches the inventory listed in the Department of
Justice criminal case against arms dealer Marc Turi:

The weapons shipped from Syria during late-August 2012 were Sniper
rifles, RPG's and 125mm and 155mm howitzers missiles. The numbers
for each weapon were estimated to be: 500 Sniper rifles, 100 RPG
launchers with 300 total rounds, and approximately 400 howitzers
missiles [200ea - 125mm and 200ea - 155mm].

The heavily redacted document does not disclose who was shipping the
weapons.

Judicial Watch noted an August 2012 Defense Intelligence Agency
report, written at time the U.S. was monitoring weapons flows from
Libya to Syria, said "the Salafist, the Muslim Brotherhood, and AQI
are the major forces driving the insurgency in Syria."

Judicial Watch commented that the sectarian direction of the war in
Syria was predicted to have dire consequences for Iraq, which included
the "grave danger" of the rise of ISIS.

The DIA document noted:

This creates the ideal atmosphere for AQI [al Qaeda Iraq] to return
to its old pockets in Mosul and Ramadi, and will provide a renewed
momentum under the presumption of unifying the jihad among Sunni
Iraq and Syria, and the rest of the Sunnis in the Arab world against
what it considers one enemy, the dissenters. ISI could also declare
an Islamic state through its union with other terrorist
organizations in Iraq and Syria, which will create grave danger in
regards to unifying Iraq and the protection of its territory.

Judicial Watch said some of the "dire consequences" are blacked out,
but the DIA presciently warned one such consequence would be renewing
facilitation of terrorist elements from all over the Arab world
entering into Iraqi Arena.

Clinton sought to arm Free Syria Army

In an Aug. 17, 2014, email released by Wikileaks, Clinton, after her
service as secretary of state, suggested to John Podesta: "At the same
time, we should return to plans to provide the FSA [Free Syria Army],
with some group of moderate forces, with equipment that twill allow
them to deal with a weakened ISIL, and stepped up operations against
the Syrian regime".

Andrew C. McCarthy, a senior policy fellow at the National Review
Institute, tied the statement to the Obama administration's plan to
equip Syrian fighters, either the Free Syrian Army or "other moderate
forces," to a U.S.-led operation in coordination with Saudi Arabia,
Qatar and Turkey to steer weapons to Syria, "ostensibly to fight both
Assad and ISIS".

McCarthy noted, however, that Clinton's 2014 memo to Podesta asserted
the Saudi and Qatari governments both supported ISIS and other
"radical Sunni groups".

In September 2013, WND reported Secretary of State John F. Kerry and
Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., had relied on the work of Elizabeth O'Bagy,
a 26-year-old graduate student, to argue in testimony before the
Senate Foreign Relations Committee that the Obama administration
should send weapons to arm the "moderate" Free Syria Army to oppose
the Assad government in Syria.

WND detailed the extensive lobbying efforts conducted in Washington to
advance the FSA as a "moderate group", despite clear evidence the
al-Nusra Front - operating under the FSA umbrella - had been declared
a terrorist organization by the State Department; has pledged
allegiance to al Qaida's top leader, Ayman al-Zawahiri; and was the
group of choice for foreign jihadis pouring into Syria.

in September 2014, WND reported O'Bagy, who had been fired from her
job with a Washington think-tank after her exposure by WND as a source
for Kerry's argument that the FSA is a "moderate" rebel force in
Syria, had also arranged for McCain a trip to Syria in May 2013,
during which senator met with Abdul Hakim Belhaj, who was then
represented as a leader of the FSA.

In November 2013, WND reported trusted Libyan expatriates had claimed
Belhaj was at large in Libya. The expatriates identified Belhaj as an
al-Qaida operative, noting he was at the top of a list of Libyan
terrorists banned by the European Union from obtaining entrance visas
and was the principal organizer of the terrorist attack in Benghazi on
Sept. 11, 2011, in which Ambassador Stevens was murdered.

Clinton arms deals tied to Turi prosecution

McCarthy tied Clinton's 2014 comment to Podesta regarding the FSA to a
weapons shipment from Benghazi to Turkey for eventual transit to Syria
that occurred just days before the Benghazi attack. McCarthy noted the
September 2012 weapons shipment was coordinated by Belhaj, "an
al-Qaeda-affiliated jihadist with whom Stevens had consulted during
the uprising against Qadhafi".

McCarthy further noted the September 2012 shipment of weapons had been
arranged by Marc Turi, a professional arms dealer who had been
indicted by federal prosecutors in Phoenix for supplying arms to
Libyan "rebels" during the 2010-2011 war.

McCarthy commented the Obama administration dropped the criminal case
one day before a court-ordered deadline to disclose information about
its efforts to arm Muslim rebels.

"Turi's lawyers had explained his defense to the court: His arms
shipments, destined for the Libyan rebels and channeled through Qatar
and the United Arab Emirates, were part of a U.S.-authorized effort,"
McCarthy wrote. "Turi further asserts that the Obama administration
was subsequently complicit in the shipment of weapons from Libya to
`rebels' in Syria, who are fighting the Assad regime."

Fox News senior judicial analyst Judge Andrew Napolitano, in an
interview with WND, insisted the DOJ was forced to drop the Turi
prosecution because federal prosecutors were convinced his defense
would expose Clinton's secret arms running to the radical
al-Qaida-affiliated militia in Libya in 2011.

Video proof of arms transfer

WND published visual evidence Clinton's State Department secretly
provided weapons to Islamic jihadists in Libya to support the
U.S.-backed NATO bombing in 2011.

In one of the videos published by WND, Moussa Ibrahim, Gadhafi's
information minister and official spokesman, displayed to reporters in
2011 a cache of weapons and ammunition seized from a ship from Qatar
intercepted by the Libyan Coast Guard off Libya's coast.

The video matched a report of Qatari military equipment seized in
mid-April 2011. Anthony Bell and David Witter of the Institute for the
Study of War, in their October 2011 publication "Anthony Bell and
David Witter of the Institute for the Study of War, in their October
2011 publication "The Libyan Revolution: Stalemate & Siege, Part 3,"
said the shipment "consisting of bulletproof vests, helmets and
ammunition were bound for the rebels besieged in Misrata".

"Though his shipment was unannounced, Qatari Prime Minister al-Thani
alluded to arming the rebels just days before the crates appeared,"
they wrote.

Turi caught in Clinton's secret war

WND reported in July 2015 Napolitano's concerns that Turi was being
set up for prosecution to continue a cover-up of the secret war on
Libya.

The background of the Turi prosecution, while complicated, is at the
heart of an allegation made by Napolitano in a syndicated column
published July 1, 2015.

Napolitano charged Clinton, while secretary of state, lied when
Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky., asked her in a Senate committee hearing if the
State Department had run guns illegally to Libyan rebels.

An interview of Turi by Fox News intelligence correspondent Catherine
Herridge and Fox News senior executive producer Pamela Browne led
Napolitano to review emails to and from State Department and
congressional officials during the years when Clinton was secretary of
state.

Napolitano concluded it's "beyond a reasonable doubt and to a moral
certainty" that Hillary had conducted a "secret war" shipping arms to
Libya illegally in 2011.

Turi used as a pawn

Napolitano detailed for WND his understanding of the events behind the
Obama administration's decision to run a clandestine war against
Gadhafi.

"Secretary Clinton decided she had to get rid of Gadhafi because she
wanted to take credit when she ran for president for being the
government official responsible for liberating Libya," Napolitano
said.

Clinton knew she would never get a declaration of war from Congress or
authorization under the war powers resolution enacted over President
Nixon's veto in 1973, he asserted.

"So, Secretary Clinton persuaded Obama to use CIA intelligence assets
who would be exempted from the war powers resolution even if they wore
military fatigues in Libya.

Napolitano explained that to use intelligence assets under the war
powers resolution, Clinton needed the cooperation and informal consent
of the "Congress within the Congress," referring to the House
Committee on Intelligence and the Senate Select Committee on
Intelligence, which are sworn to secrecy.

"The result is the president of the United States, the secretary of
state and about two dozen people in the House and Senate, including
the leadership of both parties in both houses, can authorize a
clandestine war using CIA assets" he said.

"And this is exactly what President Obama and Secretary Clinton did."

Having obtained the authorization of the House and Senate intelligence
committees, Clinton began a secret gun-running operation to Libya,
using a provision in the United Nations-imposed arms embargo on Libya
that allowed the foreign minister of participating countries to grant
an exception to the embargo, Napolitano said.

The irony of Turi's prosecution is that he never actually shipped any
weapons to Libya. But in prosecuting Turi for planning to ship
weapons, Turi's attorneys argued in his defense that the Obama
administration was planning to blame Turi for the arms shipment should
Secretary Clinton's clandestine arms dealings ever become public.

---------

3) See also Hillary's interest in arming terrorists from early
publications, e.g.,

http://insider.foxnews.com/2015/07/02/judge-nap-hillary-clinton-approved-arms-terrorists-syria-libya

Judge Andrew Napolitano revealed this morning what he has concluded
after reviewing hundreds of pages of documents and emails related to
Hillary Clinton's tenure as secretary of state.

The judge wrote today in a Washington Times column that the
documents "persuaded me beyond a reasonable doubt and to a moral
certainty that Mrs. Clinton provided material assistance to
terrorists and lied to Congress.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/05/28/emails-show-clintons-interest-in-arming-libyan-rebels-despite-prohibitions/

Recently released emails detail then-Secretary of State Hillary
Clinton's interest in arming Libyan opposition groups using private
security contractors before the fall of Muammar Qaddafi in 2011 -
though at the time, the opposition was not formally recognized by the
U.S. or United Nations, which prohibited arming without following
strict guidelines and oversight.

The issue remains so sensitive that the emails recently released by
the State Department redacted a key line on the matter. But the
unredacted version of the same email, released to the congressional
Benghazi Select Committee and first posted by The New York Times last
Thursday, showed Clinton appearing to endorse the idea of using
private contractors to her then-deputy chief of staff, Jake Sullivan.

"FYI. The idea of using private security experts to arm the opposition
should be considered," Clinton wrote to Sullivan on April 8, 2011,
attaching an intelligence report from Hillary's adviser Sidney
Blumenthal. The opposition was known as the Transitional National
Council, or TNC."

Another email released by the State Department shows that five days
earlier, on April 3, 2011, Bill Clinton said he would not rule out
arming the Libyan opposition. The story was circulated by Cheryl
Mills, Hillary Clinton's principal personal adviser at the State
Department, to "H". While it's not clear who "H" is, based on the
message traffic it is likely Hillary Clinton or possibly adviser Huma
Abedin.

Later that same year, a Sept. 10, 2011 email with a subject line
"Rogers" said, "Apparently wants to see you to talk Libya/weapons."

At the time, the Republican chairman of the House Intelligence
Committee was Mike Rogers, who abruptly announced he would not seek
re-election in the spring of 2014. Rogers did not immediately respond
to questions seeking comment. Fox News also filed its own Freedom of
Information Act request for the documents in October 2012.

Current and former intelligence and administration officials
consistently have skirted questions about weapons shipments, first
documented by Fox News in October 2012, one month after the Benghazi
terrorist attack, and what role the movement played in arming
extremist groups the U.S. government is now trying to defeat in Syria
and Iraq.

Through shipping records, Fox News confirmed that the Libyan-flagged
vessel Al Entisar, which means "The Victory," was received in the
Turkish port of Iskenderun -- 35 miles from the Syrian border -- on
Sept. 6, 2012, five days before the Benghazi terrorist attack. The
cargo reportedly included surface-to-air anti-aircraft missiles, RPG's
and Russian-designed shoulder-launched missiles known as MANPADS.

"Secretary Clinton decided she had to get rid of Gadhafi because she
wanted to take credit when she ran for president for being the
government official responsible for liberating Libya," Napolitano
said.

Clinton knew she would never get a declaration of war from Congress or
authorization under the war powers resolution enacted over President
Nixon's veto in 1973, he asserted.

"So, Secretary Clinton persuaded Obama to use CIA intelligence assets
who would be exempted from the war powers resolution even if they wore
military fatigues in Libya.

Napolitano explained that to use intelligence assets under the war
powers resolution, Clinton needed the cooperation and informal consent
of the "Congress within the Congress," referring to the House
Committee on Intelligence and the Senate Select Committee on
Intelligence, which are sworn to secrecy.

"The result is the president of the United States, the secretary of
state and about two dozen people in the House and Senate, including
the leadership of both parties in both houses, can authorize a
clandestine war using CIA assets" he said.

"And this is exactly what President Obama and Secretary Clinton did."

. . .
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[his typical tripe]
The WND article noted that Snopes argued that Hillary's negligence in
letting weapons fall into the hands of ISIS is not the same thing as
*selling* weapons to ISIS. This is of course true.
lo yeeOn is either dishonest or stupid.
Of course, it's bmoore's modus operandi in the SCC group to try to
discredit posts which do not agree with the neocon narrative.
He thinks he can pull a fast one for the casual readers in the group.
He thinks he can smear the messenger to kill the message. But he, as
always, has failed once again.
And as always I only make claims that I have stuff to back it up with
in the same article that i post.
The point for me to cite the WND article, including Snopes' lame
excuse for Hillary is to show that Snopes deliberately ignored the
long history of Hillary's clandestine involvement in arming ISIS
during her tenure as SoS. In fact, ignoring the context is a common
defense tactic for criminals like Hillary who made regime change the
focus of her State job and started out with the grotesque project to
overthrow the Gaddafi government in Libya and then shifted her regime
change human resources, aka, her mercenaries, along with the arms they
had used in the Libyan war, to Syria.
I didn't have to do anything except to quote the WND article because
it details the context of Hillary's history of arming terrorists.
It's clear why Snopes said thing that would _appear_ to absolve
Hillary. It's, as WND pointed out, a "left-leaning" organization. It
didn't like Assange's revelation on Democracy Now and it of course
didn't like Assange's recent Christmas Eve interview with Repubblica's
Stefania Maurizi. So, even as Snopes cannot deny the fact that
weapons captured from fleeing ISIS fighters have the "made in the US"
label, it ignores all the ISIS supporting activities Hillary and her
staff have been engaged in in those years that caused millions of
Syrians to be homeless and hundreds of thousands more to be killed.
But WND made very careful documentation of what Judicial Watch, Judge
Napolitano have analyzed - through hundreds of pages of documents they
were able to uncover through the FOIA.
Some of the most damning evidence that has come through was that the
late Ambassador Christopher Stevens was moving arms from group to
group in Libya to help Hillary accomplish what NATO could not do in
the air. And because of Stevens' interaction with ISIS, he was
eventually killed when ISIS attacked the US consulate in Benghazi.
("If you lie down with a rattle snake you may get bitten", as the
proverb goes.) That tragedy was merely a point of illustration of the
dark side of regime change - using terrorists to overthrow governments.
Julian Assange used much more diplomatic terms to describe this dark
stuff.
"So, for example, the disastrous, absolutely disastrous intervention
in Libya, the destruction of the Gadhafi government, which led to
the occupation of ISIS of large segments of that country, weapons
flows going over to Syria, being pushed by Hillary Clinton, into
jihadists within Syria, including ISIS, that's there in those emails."
And a former Obama administration DHS officer Philip Haney and WND
Editor Art Moore explained the administration's silence on the
Benghazi fiasco in "See Something, Say Nothing: A Homeland Security
Officer Exposes the Government's Submission to Jihad,"
Turkish President Erdogan just revealed that the US was working with
ISIS in Syria.
"They are supporting all the terror groups," Erdogan said. "It's
quite clear, perfectly obvious," he said, offering to provide proof
in pictures and video.
And I specifically put Judge Napolitano's analysis at the top of my
post to show that Assange's revelation on Hillary's business in arming
ISIS is firmly backed up by the way our government has worked using
intelligence information to start a war against a country somewhere on
this planet - very sleazy and very secretive.
[Judge] Napolitano explained that to use intelligence assets under
the war powers resolution, Clinton needed the cooperation and
informal consent of the "Congress within the Congress," referring to
the House Committee on Intelligence and the Senate Select Committee
on Intelligence, which are sworn to secrecy.
"The result is the president of the United States, the secretary of
state and about two dozen people in the House and Senate, including
the leadership of both parties in both houses, can authorize a
clandestine war using CIA assets" he said.
"And this is exactly what President Obama and Secretary Clinton did."
Having obtained the authorization of the House and Senate
intelligence committees, Clinton began a secret gun-running
operation to Libya, using a provision in the United Nations-imposed
arms embargo on Libya that allowed the foreign minister of
participating countries to grant an exception to the embargo,
Napolitano said [regarding the Turi arms smuggling case].
So, despite the lame effort by people like bmoore, truthers aren't
willing to let Obama and his left-wing mouthpieces like Snopes to
smother their desire to get to the truth of things in Washington.
lo yeeOn
Our innocent Hillary just kept arming those ISIS terrorists with
American lethal weapons. Knowingly or not, she was going to protect
us too!:)
So, what's the point of arming someone and then fighting him?
It could'a unwrapped this paradox had the State Department worked to
uncover those mysterious HRC emails that she declared to be "private"
and off-limit to the public that she generated during the time she as
Obama's SoS. At least that's the opinion of Judge Stephen Williams.
At the time, Hillary was directing the late Ambassador Chris Stevens
to smuggle weapons through Libya and determined to turn the country
into a failed state. She was then plotting the same for Syria, with
the helpful hands of the ISIS fighters.
[Judge] Napolitano explained that to use intelligence assets under
the war powers resolution, Clinton needed the cooperation and
informal consent of the "Congress within the Congress," referring to
the House Committee on Intelligence and the Senate Select Committee
on Intelligence, which are sworn to secrecy.
"The result is the president of the United States, the secretary of
state and about two dozen people in the House and Senate, including
the leadership of both parties in both houses, can authorize a
clandestine war using CIA assets" he said.
"And this is exactly what President Obama and Secretary Clinton did."
Having obtained the authorization of the House and Senate
intelligence committees, Clinton began a secret gun-running
operation to Libya, using a provision in the United Nations-imposed
arms embargo on Libya that allowed the foreign minister of
participating countries to grant an exception to the embargo,
Napolitano said [regarding the Turi arms smuggling case].
So the Turi case provided startling information about Hillary's
secrets in regard to her relationship with the ISIS fighters she
armed. Judge Napolitano's analysis was instructive in pointing out
the ways and means the powers that be can lead us to war and mayhem
with little information available to the public.
lo yeeOn
1) An appelate court judge thinks that something was fishy at the
State Department in connection with the HRC emails.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/u-appeals-court-revives-clinton-email-suit-194958894.html
Post by lo yeeOn
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - In a new legal development on the controversy
over former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton's emails, an appeals
court on Tuesday reversed a lower court ruling and said two
U.S. government agencies should have done more to recover the emails.
The ruling from Judge Stephen Williams, of the U.S. Court of Appeals
for the District of Columbia Circuit, revives one of a number of legal
challenges involving Clinton's handling of government emails when she
was secretary of state from 2009 to 2013.
Clinton, the 2016 Democratic presidential nominee, used a private
email server housed at her New York home to handle State Department
emails. She handed over 55,000 emails to U.S. officials probing that
system, but did not release about 30,000 she said were personal and
not work related.
. . .
While the State Department and National Archives took steps to recover
the emails from Clinton's tenure, they did not ask the U.S. attorney
general to take enforcement action. Two conservative groups filed
lawsuits to force their hand.
A district judge in January ruled the suits brought by Judicial Watch
and Cause of Action moot, saying State and the National Archives made
a "sustained effort" to recover and preserve Clinton's records.
But Williams said the two agencies should have done more, according to
the ruling in the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia
Circuit. Since the agencies neither asked the attorney general for
help nor showed such enforcement action could not uncover new emails,
the case was not moot.
"The Department has not explained why shaking the tree harder - e.g.,
by following the statutory mandate to seek action by the Attorney
General - might not bear more still," Williams wrote. "Absent a
showing that the requested enforcement action could not shake loose a
few more emails, the case is not moot."
2) Evidence backs claim that Hillary armed ISIS
'They are supporting all the terror groups'
http://www.wnd.com/2016/12/evidence-backs-erdogans-claim-that-hillary-armed-isis/
Post by lo yeeOn
NEW YORK - Documents made public by the Washington watchdog group
Judicial Watch and separately by Wikileaks Julian Assange back up
Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan's assertion on Tuesday that U.S.-led
coalition forces have given support to terror groups, including ISIS
in Syria.
In an interview with Democracy Now's Juan Gonzalez. "So, those
Hillary Clinton emails, they connect together with the cables that we
have published of Hillary Clinton, creating a rich picture of how
Hillary Clinton performs in office, but, more broadly, how the
U.S. Department of State operates," Assange said in the interview.
"So, for example, the disastrous, absolutely disastrous intervention
in Libya, the destruction of the Gadhafi government, which led to the
occupation of ISIS of large segments of that country, weapons flows
going over to Syria, being pushed by Hillary Clinton, into jihadists
within Syria, including ISIS, that's there in those emails."
The Obama administration's betrayal is exposed in "See Something, Say
Nothing: A Homeland Security Officer Exposes the Government's
Submission to Jihad," by former DHS officer Philip Haney and WND
Editor Art Moore!
Erdogan said that rather than supporting Turkey, the West was backing
ISIS and groups Turkey classifies as terrorist organizations, the
Kurdish Peoples' Protection Units and Democratic Union Party, who work
with the U.S. on the ground in Syria.
"They are supporting all the terror groups," Erdogan said. "It's quite
clear, perfectly obvious," he said, offering to provide proof in
pictures and video.
In response to the Assange interview, Snopes.com, a left-leaning
"fact-checking" website, argued that Assange released no emails that
proved she "deliberately and knowingly" arranged for the United States
to sell weapons to ISIS.
Snopes.com, however, did agree Clinton "in her role in shaping the
United States' actions regarding the Libyan intervention and the
ongoing Syrian civil war: may have negligently allowed arms to fall
into the hands of "jihadists".
As a consequence, Snopes judged Assange's claim a "mixture of true and
false", insisting Clinton's negligence in allowing U.S. weapons to
fall into the hands of ISIS terrorists in Syria was not the same thing
as "selling weapons to ISIS".
However, since 2011 WND has reported that documents released by
Judicial Watch and Wikileaks showed Clinton's State Department
engineering the clandestine transfer of weapons from Libya to Syria
that ended up in the hands of terrorist groups aligned with ISIS and
al-Qaida.
Ambassador Stevens involved in weapons shipping
In May 2015, WND reported Judicial Watch made public more than 100
pages of previously classified Department of Defense and Department of
State documents implicating the Obama administration in a cover-up to
obscure the role Clinton and the State Department played in the rise
of ISIS.
The documents, obtained by Judicial Watch in a Freedom of Information
Act lawsuit, provide evidence that U.S. Ambassador Christopher Stevens
was involved in shipping weapons from Benghazi to support the
al-Qaida-affiliated militias fighting the Bashar al-Assad regime in
Syria, effectively arming the Sunni jihadists who morphed into ISIS.
Judicial Watch also noted the DOD documents contain the first official
documentation that the Obama administration knew that weapons were
being shipped from the Port of Benghazi to rebel troops in Syria.
Weapons from the former Libya military stockpiles were shipped from
the port of Benghazi, Libya to the Port of Banias and the Port of
Borj Islam, Syria. The weapons shipped during late-August 2012 were
Sniper rifles, RPGs, and 125 mm and 155mm howitzers missiles.
During the immediate aftermath of, and following the uncertainty
caused by, the downfall of the (Qaddafi) regime in October 2011 and
up until early September of 2012, weapons from the former Libya
military stockpiles located in Benghazi, Libya were shipped from the
port of Benghazi, Libya to the ports of Banias and the Port of Borj
Islam, Syria. The Syrian ports were chosen due to the small amount
of cargo traffic transiting these two ports. The ships used to
transport the weapons were medium-sized and able to hold 10 or less
shipping containers of cargo.
A DIA document made public by Wikileaks included an inventory of
weapons that closely matches the inventory listed in the Department of
The weapons shipped from Syria during late-August 2012 were Sniper
rifles, RPG's and 125mm and 155mm howitzers missiles. The numbers
for each weapon were estimated to be: 500 Sniper rifles, 100 RPG
launchers with 300 total rounds, and approximately 400 howitzers
missiles [200ea - 125mm and 200ea - 155mm].
The heavily redacted document does not disclose who was shipping the
weapons.
Judicial Watch noted an August 2012 Defense Intelligence Agency
report, written at time the U.S. was monitoring weapons flows from
Libya to Syria, said "the Salafist, the Muslim Brotherhood, and AQI
are the major forces driving the insurgency in Syria."
Judicial Watch commented that the sectarian direction of the war in
Syria was predicted to have dire consequences for Iraq, which included
the "grave danger" of the rise of ISIS.
This creates the ideal atmosphere for AQI [al Qaeda Iraq] to return
to its old pockets in Mosul and Ramadi, and will provide a renewed
momentum under the presumption of unifying the jihad among Sunni
Iraq and Syria, and the rest of the Sunnis in the Arab world against
what it considers one enemy, the dissenters. ISI could also declare
an Islamic state through its union with other terrorist
organizations in Iraq and Syria, which will create grave danger in
regards to unifying Iraq and the protection of its territory.
Judicial Watch said some of the "dire consequences" are blacked out,
but the DIA presciently warned one such consequence would be renewing
facilitation of terrorist elements from all over the Arab world
entering into Iraqi Arena.
Clinton sought to arm Free Syria Army
In an Aug. 17, 2014, email released by Wikileaks, Clinton, after her
service as secretary of state, suggested to John Podesta: "At the same
time, we should return to plans to provide the FSA [Free Syria Army],
with some group of moderate forces, with equipment that twill allow
them to deal with a weakened ISIL, and stepped up operations against
the Syrian regime".
Andrew C. McCarthy, a senior policy fellow at the National Review
Institute, tied the statement to the Obama administration's plan to
equip Syrian fighters, either the Free Syrian Army or "other moderate
forces," to a U.S.-led operation in coordination with Saudi Arabia,
Qatar and Turkey to steer weapons to Syria, "ostensibly to fight both
Assad and ISIS".
McCarthy noted, however, that Clinton's 2014 memo to Podesta asserted
the Saudi and Qatari governments both supported ISIS and other
"radical Sunni groups".
In September 2013, WND reported Secretary of State John F. Kerry and
Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., had relied on the work of Elizabeth O'Bagy,
a 26-year-old graduate student, to argue in testimony before the
Senate Foreign Relations Committee that the Obama administration
should send weapons to arm the "moderate" Free Syria Army to oppose
the Assad government in Syria.
WND detailed the extensive lobbying efforts conducted in Washington to
advance the FSA as a "moderate group", despite clear evidence the
al-Nusra Front - operating under the FSA umbrella - had been declared
a terrorist organization by the State Department; has pledged
allegiance to al Qaida's top leader, Ayman al-Zawahiri; and was the
group of choice for foreign jihadis pouring into Syria.
in September 2014, WND reported O'Bagy, who had been fired from her
job with a Washington think-tank after her exposure by WND as a source
for Kerry's argument that the FSA is a "moderate" rebel force in
Syria, had also arranged for McCain a trip to Syria in May 2013,
during which senator met with Abdul Hakim Belhaj, who was then
represented as a leader of the FSA.
In November 2013, WND reported trusted Libyan expatriates had claimed
Belhaj was at large in Libya. The expatriates identified Belhaj as an
al-Qaida operative, noting he was at the top of a list of Libyan
terrorists banned by the European Union from obtaining entrance visas
and was the principal organizer of the terrorist attack in Benghazi on
Sept. 11, 2011, in which Ambassador Stevens was murdered.
Clinton arms deals tied to Turi prosecution
McCarthy tied Clinton's 2014 comment to Podesta regarding the FSA to a
weapons shipment from Benghazi to Turkey for eventual transit to Syria
that occurred just days before the Benghazi attack. McCarthy noted the
September 2012 weapons shipment was coordinated by Belhaj, "an
al-Qaeda-affiliated jihadist with whom Stevens had consulted during
the uprising against Qadhafi".
McCarthy further noted the September 2012 shipment of weapons had been
arranged by Marc Turi, a professional arms dealer who had been
indicted by federal prosecutors in Phoenix for supplying arms to
Libyan "rebels" during the 2010-2011 war.
McCarthy commented the Obama administration dropped the criminal case
one day before a court-ordered deadline to disclose information about
its efforts to arm Muslim rebels.
"Turi's lawyers had explained his defense to the court: His arms
shipments, destined for the Libyan rebels and channeled through Qatar
and the United Arab Emirates, were part of a U.S.-authorized effort,"
McCarthy wrote. "Turi further asserts that the Obama administration
was subsequently complicit in the shipment of weapons from Libya to
`rebels' in Syria, who are fighting the Assad regime."
Fox News senior judicial analyst Judge Andrew Napolitano, in an
interview with WND, insisted the DOJ was forced to drop the Turi
prosecution because federal prosecutors were convinced his defense
would expose Clinton's secret arms running to the radical
al-Qaida-affiliated militia in Libya in 2011.
Video proof of arms transfer
WND published visual evidence Clinton's State Department secretly
provided weapons to Islamic jihadists in Libya to support the
U.S.-backed NATO bombing in 2011.
In one of the videos published by WND, Moussa Ibrahim, Gadhafi's
information minister and official spokesman, displayed to reporters in
2011 a cache of weapons and ammunition seized from a ship from Qatar
intercepted by the Libyan Coast Guard off Libya's coast.
The video matched a report of Qatari military equipment seized in
mid-April 2011. Anthony Bell and David Witter of the Institute for the
Study of War, in their October 2011 publication "Anthony Bell and
David Witter of the Institute for the Study of War, in their October
2011 publication "The Libyan Revolution: Stalemate & Siege, Part 3,"
said the shipment "consisting of bulletproof vests, helmets and
ammunition were bound for the rebels besieged in Misrata".
"Though his shipment was unannounced, Qatari Prime Minister al-Thani
alluded to arming the rebels just days before the crates appeared,"
they wrote.
Turi caught in Clinton's secret war
WND reported in July 2015 Napolitano's concerns that Turi was being
set up for prosecution to continue a cover-up of the secret war on
Libya.
The background of the Turi prosecution, while complicated, is at the
heart of an allegation made by Napolitano in a syndicated column
published July 1, 2015.
Napolitano charged Clinton, while secretary of state, lied when
Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky., asked her in a Senate committee hearing if the
State Department had run guns illegally to Libyan rebels.
An interview of Turi by Fox News intelligence correspondent Catherine
Herridge and Fox News senior executive producer Pamela Browne led
Napolitano to review emails to and from State Department and
congressional officials during the years when Clinton was secretary of
state.
Napolitano concluded it's "beyond a reasonable doubt and to a moral
certainty" that Hillary had conducted a "secret war" shipping arms to
Libya illegally in 2011.
Turi used as a pawn
Napolitano detailed for WND his understanding of the events behind the
Obama administration's decision to run a clandestine war against
Gadhafi.
"Secretary Clinton decided she had to get rid of Gadhafi because she
wanted to take credit when she ran for president for being the
government official responsible for liberating Libya," Napolitano
said.
Clinton knew she would never get a declaration of war from Congress or
authorization under the war powers resolution enacted over President
Nixon's veto in 1973, he asserted.
"So, Secretary Clinton persuaded Obama to use CIA intelligence assets
who would be exempted from the war powers resolution even if they wore
military fatigues in Libya.
Napolitano explained that to use intelligence assets under the war
powers resolution, Clinton needed the cooperation and informal consent
of the "Congress within the Congress," referring to the House
Committee on Intelligence and the Senate Select Committee on
Intelligence, which are sworn to secrecy.
"The result is the president of the United States, the secretary of
state and about two dozen people in the House and Senate, including
the leadership of both parties in both houses, can authorize a
clandestine war using CIA assets" he said.
"And this is exactly what President Obama and Secretary Clinton did."
Having obtained the authorization of the House and Senate intelligence
committees, Clinton began a secret gun-running operation to Libya,
using a provision in the United Nations-imposed arms embargo on Libya
that allowed the foreign minister of participating countries to grant
an exception to the embargo, Napolitano said.
The irony of Turi's prosecution is that he never actually shipped any
weapons to Libya. But in prosecuting Turi for planning to ship
weapons, Turi's attorneys argued in his defense that the Obama
administration was planning to blame Turi for the arms shipment should
Secretary Clinton's clandestine arms dealings ever become public.
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3) See also Hillary's interest in arming terrorists from early
publications, e.g.,
http://insider.foxnews.com/2015/07/02/judge-nap-hillary-clinton-approved-arms-terrorists-syria-libya
Post by lo yeeOn
Judge Andrew Napolitano revealed this morning what he has concluded
after reviewing hundreds of pages of documents and emails related to
Hillary Clinton's tenure as secretary of state.
The judge wrote today in a Washington Times column that the
documents "persuaded me beyond a reasonable doubt and to a moral
certainty that Mrs. Clinton provided material assistance to
terrorists and lied to Congress.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/05/28/emails-show-clintons-interest-in-arming-libyan-rebels-despite-prohibitions/
Post by lo yeeOn
Recently released emails detail then-Secretary of State Hillary
Clinton's interest in arming Libyan opposition groups using private
security contractors before the fall of Muammar Qaddafi in 2011 -
though at the time, the opposition was not formally recognized by the
U.S. or United Nations, which prohibited arming without following
strict guidelines and oversight.
The issue remains so sensitive that the emails recently released by
the State Department redacted a key line on the matter. But the
unredacted version of the same email, released to the congressional
Benghazi Select Committee and first posted by The New York Times last
Thursday, showed Clinton appearing to endorse the idea of using
private contractors to her then-deputy chief of staff, Jake Sullivan.
"FYI. The idea of using private security experts to arm the opposition
should be considered," Clinton wrote to Sullivan on April 8, 2011,
attaching an intelligence report from Hillary's adviser Sidney
Blumenthal. The opposition was known as the Transitional National
Council, or TNC."
Another email released by the State Department shows that five days
earlier, on April 3, 2011, Bill Clinton said he would not rule out
arming the Libyan opposition. The story was circulated by Cheryl
Mills, Hillary Clinton's principal personal adviser at the State
Department, to "H". While it's not clear who "H" is, based on the
message traffic it is likely Hillary Clinton or possibly adviser Huma
Abedin.
Later that same year, a Sept. 10, 2011 email with a subject line
"Rogers" said, "Apparently wants to see you to talk Libya/weapons."
At the time, the Republican chairman of the House Intelligence
Committee was Mike Rogers, who abruptly announced he would not seek
re-election in the spring of 2014. Rogers did not immediately respond
to questions seeking comment. Fox News also filed its own Freedom of
Information Act request for the documents in October 2012.
Current and former intelligence and administration officials
consistently have skirted questions about weapons shipments, first
documented by Fox News in October 2012, one month after the Benghazi
terrorist attack, and what role the movement played in arming
extremist groups the U.S. government is now trying to defeat in Syria
and Iraq.
Through shipping records, Fox News confirmed that the Libyan-flagged
vessel Al Entisar, which means "The Victory," was received in the
Turkish port of Iskenderun -- 35 miles from the Syrian border -- on
Sept. 6, 2012, five days before the Benghazi terrorist attack. The
cargo reportedly included surface-to-air anti-aircraft missiles, RPG's
and Russian-designed shoulder-launched missiles known as MANPADS.
"Secretary Clinton decided she had to get rid of Gadhafi because she
wanted to take credit when she ran for president for being the
government official responsible for liberating Libya," Napolitano
said.
Clinton knew she would never get a declaration of war from Congress or
authorization under the war powers resolution enacted over President
Nixon's veto in 1973, he asserted.
"So, Secretary Clinton persuaded Obama to use CIA intelligence assets
who would be exempted from the war powers resolution even if they wore
military fatigues in Libya.
Napolitano explained that to use intelligence assets under the war
powers resolution, Clinton needed the cooperation and informal consent
of the "Congress within the Congress," referring to the House
Committee on Intelligence and the Senate Select Committee on
Intelligence, which are sworn to secrecy.
"The result is the president of the United States, the secretary of
state and about two dozen people in the House and Senate, including
the leadership of both parties in both houses, can authorize a
clandestine war using CIA assets" he said.
"And this is exactly what President Obama and Secretary Clinton did."
. . .
You still haven't said anything meaningful here. Hillary did not
intentionally arm ISIS. She did not "sell" any weapons to them. Nothing
in your long post provides evidence of that. As usual, you have much
quantity and literally no quality. Rather than hide your deception with
long posts that few people bother to read, why don't you state in a
sentence or two what your evidence is that Hillary sold weapons to ISIS?
I bet you can't do that, because it would lay bare the fact that you
have none.
First, the meaningful thing appears in the title:

"Evidence backs claim that Hillary armed ISIS"

In order for you bmoore to defend Hillary as an innocent lamb, you
said she "did not intentionally arm ISIS". Buf if that were true,
we've got to wonder why Hillary was so terse about her magnificent
experience as head of SoS during the whole crazy year of campaigning.

And that's exactly the point of my subject line. Hillary's great
experience in foreign policy is totally unspeakable! It was so
because what she wanted to accomplish, namely to please the neocons by
getting rid of Gaddafi's government and other Middle East governments,
she needed to work with terrorists and she secretly did - and that's
why the long article from WND. WND didn't intentionally post long
article to fool its readers. Neither did I. Hillary spent years
working with ISIS, and that's WND, Julian Assamge, Judge Napolitano,
Andrew McCarthy, and others' findings.

Snopes and you have no leg to stand on trying to defend Hillary.

Second, you emphasized the word "sell", having little substance to
work with. But I never claimed that Hillary sold weapons to the poor
ISIS fighters. Who in their right mind would think that those poor
ISIS volunteers would have money to buy expensive American-made
killing machines to overthrow Assad or Gaddafi?

Third, so you throw out terms like "qualitative" and "quantitatve" as
if you presented any in either of your posts. Those words are
strawman devices and have no place in these posts. The real
quantitative thing about Hillary consists of these: years of arming
ISIS and stirring up a civil war in Syria, thousands of emails from
Hillary and her underlings coming out of Wikileaks dumps, "hundreds"
of documents uncovered through FOIA, etc. The real qualitative is the
undeniable truth in Hillary's culpability as seen through the
discovery works of Assange, Judical Watch, Judge Napolitano, Andrew
McCarthy, et al. I am only spreading the word! And I am because it
looks like thee neocons are still plotting to bring her back to rule
the world - which would be a huge tragedy.

But for you, bmoore, you want to sell your quality on the nickels and
dimes!

What is the point of nickeling and diming about Hillary "selling" arms?

The real point should be exactly like the title of the WND article:

"Evidence backs claim that Hillary armed ISIS"

The key words are "Hillary armed ISIS".

Of course she made sure that all the relevant parties, like the Saudi
Arabia, were available to help ISIS.

And so the headline of the WND article is the

"Evidence backs claim that Hillary armed ISIS"

More nickeling and diming for Hillary or ISIS, bmoore?

lo yeeOn

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Evidence backs claim that Hillary armed ISIS

'They are supporting all the terror groups'
http://www.wnd.com/2016/12/evidence-backs-erdogans-claim-that-hillary-armed-isis/

NEW YORK - Documents made public by the Washington watchdog group
Judicial Watch and separately by Wikileaks Julian Assange back up
Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan's assertion on Tuesday that U.S.-led
coalition forces have given support to terror groups, including ISIS
in Syria.

In an interview with Democracy Now's Juan Gonzalez. "So, those
Hillary Clinton emails, they connect together with the cables that we
have published of Hillary Clinton, creating a rich picture of how
Hillary Clinton performs in office, but, more broadly, how the
U.S. Department of State operates," Assange said in the interview.

"So, for example, the disastrous, absolutely disastrous intervention
in Libya, the destruction of the Gadhafi government, which led to the
occupation of ISIS of large segments of that country, weapons flows
going over to Syria, being pushed by Hillary Clinton, into jihadists
within Syria, including ISIS, that's there in those emails."

The Obama administration's betrayal is exposed in "See Something, Say
Nothing: A Homeland Security Officer Exposes the Government's
Submission to Jihad," by former DHS officer Philip Haney and WND
Editor Art Moore!

Erdogan said that rather than supporting Turkey, the West was backing
ISIS and groups Turkey classifies as terrorist organizations, the
Kurdish Peoples' Protection Units and Democratic Union Party, who work
with the U.S. on the ground in Syria.

"They are supporting all the terror groups," Erdogan said. "It's quite
clear, perfectly obvious," he said, offering to provide proof in
pictures and video.

See the Assange interview on Hillary's emails:

In response to the Assange interview, Snopes.com, a left-leaning
"fact-checking" website, argued that Assange released no emails that
proved she "deliberately and knowingly" arranged for the United States
to sell weapons to ISIS.

Snopes.com, however, did agree Clinton "in her role in shaping the
United States' actions regarding the Libyan intervention and the
ongoing Syrian civil war: may have negligently allowed arms to fall
into the hands of "jihadists".

As a consequence, Snopes judged Assange's claim a "mixture of true and
false", insisting Clinton's negligence in allowing U.S. weapons to
fall into the hands of ISIS terrorists in Syria was not the same thing
as "selling weapons to ISIS".

However, since 2011 WND has reported that documents released by
Judicial Watch and Wikileaks showed Clinton's State Department
engineering the clandestine transfer of weapons from Libya to Syria
that ended up in the hands of terrorist groups aligned with ISIS and
al-Qaida.

Ambassador Stevens involved in weapons shipping

In May 2015, WND reported Judicial Watch made public more than 100
pages of previously classified Department of Defense and Department of
State documents implicating the Obama administration in a cover-up to
obscure the role Clinton and the State Department played in the rise
of ISIS.

The documents, obtained by Judicial Watch in a Freedom of Information
Act lawsuit, provide evidence that U.S. Ambassador Christopher Stevens
was involved in shipping weapons from Benghazi to support the
al-Qaida-affiliated militias fighting the Bashar al-Assad regime in
Syria, effectively arming the Sunni jihadists who morphed into ISIS.

Judicial Watch also noted the DOD documents contain the first official
documentation that the Obama administration knew that weapons were
being shipped from the Port of Benghazi to rebel troops in Syria.

An October 2012 DOD report confirmed:

Weapons from the former Libya military stockpiles were shipped from
the port of Benghazi, Libya to the Port of Banias and the Port of
Borj Islam, Syria. The weapons shipped during late-August 2012 were
Sniper rifles, RPGs, and 125 mm and 155mm howitzers missiles.

During the immediate aftermath of, and following the uncertainty
caused by, the downfall of the (Qaddafi) regime in October 2011 and
up until early September of 2012, weapons from the former Libya
military stockpiles located in Benghazi, Libya were shipped from the
port of Benghazi, Libya to the ports of Banias and the Port of Borj
Islam, Syria. The Syrian ports were chosen due to the small amount
of cargo traffic transiting these two ports. The ships used to
transport the weapons were medium-sized and able to hold 10 or less
shipping containers of cargo.

A DIA document made public by Wikileaks included an inventory of
weapons that closely matches the inventory listed in the Department of
Justice criminal case against arms dealer Marc Turi:

The weapons shipped from Syria during late-August 2012 were Sniper
rifles, RPG's and 125mm and 155mm howitzers missiles. The numbers
for each weapon were estimated to be: 500 Sniper rifles, 100 RPG
launchers with 300 total rounds, and approximately 400 howitzers
missiles [200ea - 125mm and 200ea - 155mm].

The heavily redacted document does not disclose who was shipping the
weapons.

Judicial Watch noted an August 2012 Defense Intelligence Agency
report, written at time the U.S. was monitoring weapons flows from
Libya to Syria, said "the Salafist, the Muslim Brotherhood, and AQI
are the major forces driving the insurgency in Syria."

Judicial Watch commented that the sectarian direction of the war in
Syria was predicted to have dire consequences for Iraq, which included
the "grave danger" of the rise of ISIS.

The DIA document noted:

This creates the ideal atmosphere for AQI [al Qaeda Iraq] to return
to its old pockets in Mosul and Ramadi, and will provide a renewed
momentum under the presumption of unifying the jihad among Sunni
Iraq and Syria, and the rest of the Sunnis in the Arab world against
what it considers one enemy, the dissenters. ISI could also declare
an Islamic state through its union with other terrorist
organizations in Iraq and Syria, which will create grave danger in
regards to unifying Iraq and the protection of its territory.

Judicial Watch said some of the "dire consequences" are blacked out,
but the DIA presciently warned one such consequence would be renewing
facilitation of terrorist elements from all over the Arab world
entering into Iraqi Arena.

Clinton sought to arm Free Syria Army

In an Aug. 17, 2014, email released by Wikileaks, Clinton, after her
service as secretary of state, suggested to John Podesta: "At the same
time, we should return to plans to provide the FSA [Free Syria Army],
with some group of moderate forces, with equipment that twill allow
them to deal with a weakened ISIL, and stepped up operations against
the Syrian regime".

Andrew C. McCarthy, a senior policy fellow at the National Review
Institute, tied the statement to the Obama administration's plan to
equip Syrian fighters, either the Free Syrian Army or "other moderate
forces," to a U.S.-led operation in coordination with Saudi Arabia,
Qatar and Turkey to steer weapons to Syria, "ostensibly to fight both
Assad and ISIS".

McCarthy noted, however, that Clinton's 2014 memo to Podesta asserted
the Saudi and Qatari governments both supported ISIS and other
"radical Sunni groups".

In September 2013, WND reported Secretary of State John F. Kerry and
Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., had relied on the work of Elizabeth O'Bagy,
a 26-year-old graduate student, to argue in testimony before the
Senate Foreign Relations Committee that the Obama administration
should send weapons to arm the "moderate" Free Syria Army to oppose
the Assad government in Syria.

WND detailed the extensive lobbying efforts conducted in Washington to
advance the FSA as a "moderate group", despite clear evidence the
al-Nusra Front - operating under the FSA umbrella - had been declared
a terrorist organization by the State Department; has pledged
allegiance to al Qaida's top leader, Ayman al-Zawahiri; and was the
group of choice for foreign jihadis pouring into Syria.

in September 2014, WND reported O'Bagy, who had been fired from her
job with a Washington think-tank after her exposure by WND as a source
for Kerry's argument that the FSA is a "moderate" rebel force in
Syria, had also arranged for McCain a trip to Syria in May 2013,
during which senator met with Abdul Hakim Belhaj, who was then
represented as a leader of the FSA.

In November 2013, WND reported trusted Libyan expatriates had claimed
Belhaj was at large in Libya. The expatriates identified Belhaj as an
al-Qaida operative, noting he was at the top of a list of Libyan
terrorists banned by the European Union from obtaining entrance visas
and was the principal organizer of the terrorist attack in Benghazi on
Sept. 11, 2011, in which Ambassador Stevens was murdered.

Clinton arms deals tied to Turi prosecution

McCarthy tied Clinton's 2014 comment to Podesta regarding the FSA to a
weapons shipment from Benghazi to Turkey for eventual transit to Syria
that occurred just days before the Benghazi attack. McCarthy noted the
September 2012 weapons shipment was coordinated by Belhaj, "an
al-Qaeda-affiliated jihadist with whom Stevens had consulted during
the uprising against Qadhafi".

McCarthy further noted the September 2012 shipment of weapons had been
arranged by Marc Turi, a professional arms dealer who had been
indicted by federal prosecutors in Phoenix for supplying arms to
Libyan "rebels" during the 2010-2011 war.

McCarthy commented the Obama administration dropped the criminal case
one day before a court-ordered deadline to disclose information about
its efforts to arm Muslim rebels.

"Turi's lawyers had explained his defense to the court: His arms
shipments, destined for the Libyan rebels and channeled through Qatar
and the United Arab Emirates, were part of a U.S.-authorized effort,"
McCarthy wrote. "Turi further asserts that the Obama administration
was subsequently complicit in the shipment of weapons from Libya to
`rebels' in Syria, who are fighting the Assad regime."

Fox News senior judicial analyst Judge Andrew Napolitano, in an
interview with WND, insisted the DOJ was forced to drop the Turi
prosecution because federal prosecutors were convinced his defense
would expose Clinton's secret arms running to the radical
al-Qaida-affiliated militia in Libya in 2011.

Video proof of arms transfer

WND published visual evidence Clinton's State Department secretly
provided weapons to Islamic jihadists in Libya to support the
U.S.-backed NATO bombing in 2011.

In one of the videos published by WND, Moussa Ibrahim, Gadhafi's
information minister and official spokesman, displayed to reporters in
2011 a cache of weapons and ammunition seized from a ship from Qatar
intercepted by the Libyan Coast Guard off Libya's coast.

The video matched a report of Qatari military equipment seized in
mid-April 2011. Anthony Bell and David Witter of the Institute for the
Study of War, in their October 2011 publication "Anthony Bell and
David Witter of the Institute for the Study of War, in their October
2011 publication "The Libyan Revolution: Stalemate & Siege, Part 3,"
said the shipment "consisting of bulletproof vests, helmets and
ammunition were bound for the rebels besieged in Misrata".

"Though his shipment was unannounced, Qatari Prime Minister al-Thani
alluded to arming the rebels just days before the crates appeared,"
they wrote.

Turi caught in Clinton's secret war

WND reported in July 2015 Napolitano's concerns that Turi was being
set up for prosecution to continue a cover-up of the secret war on
Libya.

The background of the Turi prosecution, while complicated, is at the
heart of an allegation made by Napolitano in a syndicated column
published July 1, 2015.

Napolitano charged Clinton, while secretary of state, lied when
Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky., asked her in a Senate committee hearing if the
State Department had run guns illegally to Libyan rebels.

An interview of Turi by Fox News intelligence correspondent Catherine
Herridge and Fox News senior executive producer Pamela Browne led
Napolitano to review emails to and from State Department and
congressional officials during the years when Clinton was secretary of
state.

Napolitano concluded it's "beyond a reasonable doubt and to a moral
certainty" that Hillary had conducted a "secret war" shipping arms to
Libya illegally in 2011.

Turi used as a pawn

Napolitano detailed for WND his understanding of the events behind the
Obama administration's decision to run a clandestine war against
Gadhafi.

"Secretary Clinton decided she had to get rid of Gadhafi because she
wanted to take credit when she ran for president for being the
government official responsible for liberating Libya," Napolitano
said.

Clinton knew she would never get a declaration of war from Congress or
authorization under the war powers resolution enacted over President
Nixon's veto in 1973, he asserted.

"So, Secretary Clinton persuaded Obama to use CIA intelligence assets
who would be exempted from the war powers resolution even if they wore
military fatigues in Libya.

Napolitano explained that to use intelligence assets under the war
powers resolution, Clinton needed the cooperation and informal consent
of the "Congress within the Congress," referring to the House
Committee on Intelligence and the Senate Select Committee on
Intelligence, which are sworn to secrecy.

"The result is the president of the United States, the secretary of
state and about two dozen people in the House and Senate, including
the leadership of both parties in both houses, can authorize a
clandestine war using CIA assets" he said.

"And this is exactly what President Obama and Secretary Clinton did."

Having obtained the authorization of the House and Senate intelligence
committees, Clinton began a secret gun-running operation to Libya,
using a provision in the United Nations-imposed arms embargo on Libya
that allowed the foreign minister of participating countries to grant
an exception to the embargo, Napolitano said.

The irony of Turi's prosecution is that he never actually shipped any
weapons to Libya. But in prosecuting Turi for planning to ship
weapons, Turi's attorneys argued in his defense that the Obama
administration was planning to blame Turi for the arms shipment should
Secretary Clinton's clandestine arms dealings ever become public.
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[his typical tripe]
The WND article noted that Snopes argued that Hillary's negligence in
letting weapons fall into the hands of ISIS is not the same thing as
*selling* weapons to ISIS. This is of course true.
lo yeeOn is either dishonest or stupid.
Of course, it's bmoore's modus operandi in the SCC group to try to
discredit posts which do not agree with the neocon narrative.
He thinks he can pull a fast one for the casual readers in the group.
He thinks he can smear the messenger to kill the message. But he, as
always, has failed once again.
And as always I only make claims that I have stuff to back it up with
in the same article that i post.
The point for me to cite the WND article, including Snopes' lame
excuse for Hillary is to show that Snopes deliberately ignored the
long history of Hillary's clandestine involvement in arming ISIS
during her tenure as SoS. In fact, ignoring the context is a common
defense tactic for criminals like Hillary who made regime change the
focus of her State job and started out with the grotesque project to
overthrow the Gaddafi government in Libya and then shifted her regime
change human resources, aka, her mercenaries, along with the arms they
had used in the Libyan war, to Syria.
I didn't have to do anything except to quote the WND article because
it details the context of Hillary's history of arming terrorists.
It's clear why Snopes said thing that would _appear_ to absolve
Hillary. It's, as WND pointed out, a "left-leaning" organization. It
didn't like Assange's revelation on Democracy Now and it of course
didn't like Assange's recent Christmas Eve interview with Repubblica's
Stefania Maurizi. So, even as Snopes cannot deny the fact that
weapons captured from fleeing ISIS fighters have the "made in the US"
label, it ignores all the ISIS supporting activities Hillary and her
staff have been engaged in in those years that caused millions of
Syrians to be homeless and hundreds of thousands more to be killed.
But WND made very careful documentation of what Judicial Watch, Judge
Napolitano have analyzed - through hundreds of pages of documents they
were able to uncover through the FOIA.
Some of the most damning evidence that has come through was that the
late Ambassador Christopher Stevens was moving arms from group to
group in Libya to help Hillary accomplish what NATO could not do in
the air. And because of Stevens' interaction with ISIS, he was
eventually killed when ISIS attacked the US consulate in Benghazi.
("If you lie down with a rattle snake you may get bitten", as the
proverb goes.) That tragedy was merely a point of illustration of the
dark side of regime change - using terrorists to overthrow governments.
Julian Assange used much more diplomatic terms to describe this dark
stuff.
"So, for example, the disastrous, absolutely disastrous intervention
in Libya, the destruction of the Gadhafi government, which led to
the occupation of ISIS of large segments of that country, weapons
flows going over to Syria, being pushed by Hillary Clinton, into
jihadists within Syria, including ISIS, that's there in those emails."
And a former Obama administration DHS officer Philip Haney and WND
Editor Art Moore explained the administration's silence on the
Benghazi fiasco in "See Something, Say Nothing: A Homeland Security
Officer Exposes the Government's Submission to Jihad,"
Turkish President Erdogan just revealed that the US was working with
ISIS in Syria.
"They are supporting all the terror groups," Erdogan said. "It's
quite clear, perfectly obvious," he said, offering to provide proof
in pictures and video.
And I specifically put Judge Napolitano's analysis at the top of my
post to show that Assange's revelation on Hillary's business in arming
ISIS is firmly backed up by the way our government has worked using
intelligence information to start a war against a country somewhere on
this planet - very sleazy and very secretive.
[Judge] Napolitano explained that to use intelligence assets under
the war powers resolution, Clinton needed the cooperation and
informal consent of the "Congress within the Congress," referring to
the House Committee on Intelligence and the Senate Select Committee
on Intelligence, which are sworn to secrecy.
"The result is the president of the United States, the secretary of
state and about two dozen people in the House and Senate, including
the leadership of both parties in both houses, can authorize a
clandestine war using CIA assets" he said.
"And this is exactly what President Obama and Secretary Clinton did."
Having obtained the authorization of the House and Senate
intelligence committees, Clinton began a secret gun-running
operation to Libya, using a provision in the United Nations-imposed
arms embargo on Libya that allowed the foreign minister of
participating countries to grant an exception to the embargo,
Napolitano said [regarding the Turi arms smuggling case].
So, despite the lame effort by people like bmoore, truthers aren't
willing to let Obama and his left-wing mouthpieces like Snopes to
smother their desire to get to the truth of things in Washington.
lo yeeOn
Our innocent Hillary just kept arming those ISIS terrorists with
American lethal weapons. Knowingly or not, she was going to protect
us too!:)
So, what's the point of arming someone and then fighting him?
It could'a unwrapped this paradox had the State Department worked to
uncover those mysterious HRC emails that she declared to be "private"
and off-limit to the public that she generated during the time she as
Obama's SoS. At least that's the opinion of Judge Stephen Williams.
At the time, Hillary was directing the late Ambassador Chris Stevens
to smuggle weapons through Libya and determined to turn the country
into a failed state. She was then plotting the same for Syria, with
the helpful hands of the ISIS fighters.
[Judge] Napolitano explained that to use intelligence assets under
the war powers resolution, Clinton needed the cooperation and
informal consent of the "Congress within the Congress," referring to
the House Committee on Intelligence and the Senate Select Committee
on Intelligence, which are sworn to secrecy.
"The result is the president of the United States, the secretary of
state and about two dozen people in the House and Senate, including
the leadership of both parties in both houses, can authorize a
clandestine war using CIA assets" he said.
"And this is exactly what President Obama and Secretary Clinton did."
Having obtained the authorization of the House and Senate
intelligence committees, Clinton began a secret gun-running
operation to Libya, using a provision in the United Nations-imposed
arms embargo on Libya that allowed the foreign minister of
participating countries to grant an exception to the embargo,
Napolitano said [regarding the Turi arms smuggling case].
So the Turi case provided startling information about Hillary's
secrets in regard to her relationship with the ISIS fighters she
armed. Judge Napolitano's analysis was instructive in pointing out
the ways and means the powers that be can lead us to war and mayhem
with little information available to the public.
lo yeeOn
1) An appelate court judge thinks that something was fishy at the
State Department in connection with the HRC emails.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/u-appeals-court-revives-clinton-email-suit-194958894.html
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Post by lo yeeOn
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - In a new legal development on the controversy
over former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton's emails, an appeals
court on Tuesday reversed a lower court ruling and said two
U.S. government agencies should have done more to recover the emails.
The ruling from Judge Stephen Williams, of the U.S. Court of Appeals
for the District of Columbia Circuit, revives one of a number of legal
challenges involving Clinton's handling of government emails when she
was secretary of state from 2009 to 2013.
Clinton, the 2016 Democratic presidential nominee, used a private
email server housed at her New York home to handle State Department
emails. She handed over 55,000 emails to U.S. officials probing that
system, but did not release about 30,000 she said were personal and
not work related.
. . .
While the State Department and National Archives took steps to recover
the emails from Clinton's tenure, they did not ask the U.S. attorney
general to take enforcement action. Two conservative groups filed
lawsuits to force their hand.
A district judge in January ruled the suits brought by Judicial Watch
and Cause of Action moot, saying State and the National Archives made
a "sustained effort" to recover and preserve Clinton's records.
But Williams said the two agencies should have done more, according to
the ruling in the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia
Circuit. Since the agencies neither asked the attorney general for
help nor showed such enforcement action could not uncover new emails,
the case was not moot.
"The Department has not explained why shaking the tree harder - e.g.,
by following the statutory mandate to seek action by the Attorney
General - might not bear more still," Williams wrote. "Absent a
showing that the requested enforcement action could not shake loose a
few more emails, the case is not moot."
2) Evidence backs claim that Hillary armed ISIS
'They are supporting all the terror groups'
http://www.wnd.com/2016/12/evidence-backs-erdogans-claim-that-hillary-armed-isis/
Post by lo yeeOn
Post by lo yeeOn
NEW YORK - Documents made public by the Washington watchdog group
Judicial Watch and separately by Wikileaks Julian Assange back up
Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan's assertion on Tuesday that U.S.-led
coalition forces have given support to terror groups, including ISIS
in Syria.
In an interview with Democracy Now's Juan Gonzalez. "So, those
Hillary Clinton emails, they connect together with the cables that we
have published of Hillary Clinton, creating a rich picture of how
Hillary Clinton performs in office, but, more broadly, how the
U.S. Department of State operates," Assange said in the interview.
"So, for example, the disastrous, absolutely disastrous intervention
in Libya, the destruction of the Gadhafi government, which led to the
occupation of ISIS of large segments of that country, weapons flows
going over to Syria, being pushed by Hillary Clinton, into jihadists
within Syria, including ISIS, that's there in those emails."
The Obama administration's betrayal is exposed in "See Something, Say
Nothing: A Homeland Security Officer Exposes the Government's
Submission to Jihad," by former DHS officer Philip Haney and WND
Editor Art Moore!
Erdogan said that rather than supporting Turkey, the West was backing
ISIS and groups Turkey classifies as terrorist organizations, the
Kurdish Peoples' Protection Units and Democratic Union Party, who work
with the U.S. on the ground in Syria.
"They are supporting all the terror groups," Erdogan said. "It's quite
clear, perfectly obvious," he said, offering to provide proof in
pictures and video.
In response to the Assange interview, Snopes.com, a left-leaning
"fact-checking" website, argued that Assange released no emails that
proved she "deliberately and knowingly" arranged for the United States
to sell weapons to ISIS.
Snopes.com, however, did agree Clinton "in her role in shaping the
United States' actions regarding the Libyan intervention and the
ongoing Syrian civil war: may have negligently allowed arms to fall
into the hands of "jihadists".
As a consequence, Snopes judged Assange's claim a "mixture of true and
false", insisting Clinton's negligence in allowing U.S. weapons to
fall into the hands of ISIS terrorists in Syria was not the same thing
as "selling weapons to ISIS".
However, since 2011 WND has reported that documents released by
Judicial Watch and Wikileaks showed Clinton's State Department
engineering the clandestine transfer of weapons from Libya to Syria
that ended up in the hands of terrorist groups aligned with ISIS and
al-Qaida.
Ambassador Stevens involved in weapons shipping
In May 2015, WND reported Judicial Watch made public more than 100
pages of previously classified Department of Defense and Department of
State documents implicating the Obama administration in a cover-up to
obscure the role Clinton and the State Department played in the rise
of ISIS.
The documents, obtained by Judicial Watch in a Freedom of Information
Act lawsuit, provide evidence that U.S. Ambassador Christopher Stevens
was involved in shipping weapons from Benghazi to support the
al-Qaida-affiliated militias fighting the Bashar al-Assad regime in
Syria, effectively arming the Sunni jihadists who morphed into ISIS.
Judicial Watch also noted the DOD documents contain the first official
documentation that the Obama administration knew that weapons were
being shipped from the Port of Benghazi to rebel troops in Syria.
Weapons from the former Libya military stockpiles were shipped from
the port of Benghazi, Libya to the Port of Banias and the Port of
Borj Islam, Syria. The weapons shipped during late-August 2012 were
Sniper rifles, RPGs, and 125 mm and 155mm howitzers missiles.
During the immediate aftermath of, and following the uncertainty
caused by, the downfall of the (Qaddafi) regime in October 2011 and
up until early September of 2012, weapons from the former Libya
military stockpiles located in Benghazi, Libya were shipped from the
port of Benghazi, Libya to the ports of Banias and the Port of Borj
Islam, Syria. The Syrian ports were chosen due to the small amount
of cargo traffic transiting these two ports. The ships used to
transport the weapons were medium-sized and able to hold 10 or less
shipping containers of cargo.
A DIA document made public by Wikileaks included an inventory of
weapons that closely matches the inventory listed in the Department of
The weapons shipped from Syria during late-August 2012 were Sniper
rifles, RPG's and 125mm and 155mm howitzers missiles. The numbers
for each weapon were estimated to be: 500 Sniper rifles, 100 RPG
launchers with 300 total rounds, and approximately 400 howitzers
missiles [200ea - 125mm and 200ea - 155mm].
The heavily redacted document does not disclose who was shipping the
weapons.
Judicial Watch noted an August 2012 Defense Intelligence Agency
report, written at time the U.S. was monitoring weapons flows from
Libya to Syria, said "the Salafist, the Muslim Brotherhood, and AQI
are the major forces driving the insurgency in Syria."
Judicial Watch commented that the sectarian direction of the war in
Syria was predicted to have dire consequences for Iraq, which included
the "grave danger" of the rise of ISIS.
This creates the ideal atmosphere for AQI [al Qaeda Iraq] to return
to its old pockets in Mosul and Ramadi, and will provide a renewed
momentum under the presumption of unifying the jihad among Sunni
Iraq and Syria, and the rest of the Sunnis in the Arab world against
what it considers one enemy, the dissenters. ISI could also declare
an Islamic state through its union with other terrorist
organizations in Iraq and Syria, which will create grave danger in
regards to unifying Iraq and the protection of its territory.
Judicial Watch said some of the "dire consequences" are blacked out,
but the DIA presciently warned one such consequence would be renewing
facilitation of terrorist elements from all over the Arab world
entering into Iraqi Arena.
Clinton sought to arm Free Syria Army
In an Aug. 17, 2014, email released by Wikileaks, Clinton, after her
service as secretary of state, suggested to John Podesta: "At the same
time, we should return to plans to provide the FSA [Free Syria Army],
with some group of moderate forces, with equipment that twill allow
them to deal with a weakened ISIL, and stepped up operations against
the Syrian regime".
Andrew C. McCarthy, a senior policy fellow at the National Review
Institute, tied the statement to the Obama administration's plan to
equip Syrian fighters, either the Free Syrian Army or "other moderate
forces," to a U.S.-led operation in coordination with Saudi Arabia,
Qatar and Turkey to steer weapons to Syria, "ostensibly to fight both
Assad and ISIS".
McCarthy noted, however, that Clinton's 2014 memo to Podesta asserted
the Saudi and Qatari governments both supported ISIS and other
"radical Sunni groups".
In September 2013, WND reported Secretary of State John F. Kerry and
Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., had relied on the work of Elizabeth O'Bagy,
a 26-year-old graduate student, to argue in testimony before the
Senate Foreign Relations Committee that the Obama administration
should send weapons to arm the "moderate" Free Syria Army to oppose
the Assad government in Syria.
WND detailed the extensive lobbying efforts conducted in Washington to
advance the FSA as a "moderate group", despite clear evidence the
al-Nusra Front - operating under the FSA umbrella - had been declared
a terrorist organization by the State Department; has pledged
allegiance to al Qaida's top leader, Ayman al-Zawahiri; and was the
group of choice for foreign jihadis pouring into Syria.
in September 2014, WND reported O'Bagy, who had been fired from her
job with a Washington think-tank after her exposure by WND as a source
for Kerry's argument that the FSA is a "moderate" rebel force in
Syria, had also arranged for McCain a trip to Syria in May 2013,
during which senator met with Abdul Hakim Belhaj, who was then
represented as a leader of the FSA.
In November 2013, WND reported trusted Libyan expatriates had claimed
Belhaj was at large in Libya. The expatriates identified Belhaj as an
al-Qaida operative, noting he was at the top of a list of Libyan
terrorists banned by the European Union from obtaining entrance visas
and was the principal organizer of the terrorist attack in Benghazi on
Sept. 11, 2011, in which Ambassador Stevens was murdered.
Clinton arms deals tied to Turi prosecution
McCarthy tied Clinton's 2014 comment to Podesta regarding the FSA to a
weapons shipment from Benghazi to Turkey for eventual transit to Syria
that occurred just days before the Benghazi attack. McCarthy noted the
September 2012 weapons shipment was coordinated by Belhaj, "an
al-Qaeda-affiliated jihadist with whom Stevens had consulted during
the uprising against Qadhafi".
McCarthy further noted the September 2012 shipment of weapons had been
arranged by Marc Turi, a professional arms dealer who had been
indicted by federal prosecutors in Phoenix for supplying arms to
Libyan "rebels" during the 2010-2011 war.
McCarthy commented the Obama administration dropped the criminal case
one day before a court-ordered deadline to disclose information about
its efforts to arm Muslim rebels.
"Turi's lawyers had explained his defense to the court: His arms
shipments, destined for the Libyan rebels and channeled through Qatar
and the United Arab Emirates, were part of a U.S.-authorized effort,"
McCarthy wrote. "Turi further asserts that the Obama administration
was subsequently complicit in the shipment of weapons from Libya to
`rebels' in Syria, who are fighting the Assad regime."
Fox News senior judicial analyst Judge Andrew Napolitano, in an
interview with WND, insisted the DOJ was forced to drop the Turi
prosecution because federal prosecutors were convinced his defense
would expose Clinton's secret arms running to the radical
al-Qaida-affiliated militia in Libya in 2011.
Video proof of arms transfer
WND published visual evidence Clinton's State Department secretly
provided weapons to Islamic jihadists in Libya to support the
U.S.-backed NATO bombing in 2011.
In one of the videos published by WND, Moussa Ibrahim, Gadhafi's
information minister and official spokesman, displayed to reporters in
2011 a cache of weapons and ammunition seized from a ship from Qatar
intercepted by the Libyan Coast Guard off Libya's coast.
The video matched a report of Qatari military equipment seized in
mid-April 2011. Anthony Bell and David Witter of the Institute for the
Study of War, in their October 2011 publication "Anthony Bell and
David Witter of the Institute for the Study of War, in their October
2011 publication "The Libyan Revolution: Stalemate & Siege, Part 3,"
said the shipment "consisting of bulletproof vests, helmets and
ammunition were bound for the rebels besieged in Misrata".
"Though his shipment was unannounced, Qatari Prime Minister al-Thani
alluded to arming the rebels just days before the crates appeared,"
they wrote.
Turi caught in Clinton's secret war
WND reported in July 2015 Napolitano's concerns that Turi was being
set up for prosecution to continue a cover-up of the secret war on
Libya.
The background of the Turi prosecution, while complicated, is at the
heart of an allegation made by Napolitano in a syndicated column
published July 1, 2015.
Napolitano charged Clinton, while secretary of state, lied when
Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky., asked her in a Senate committee hearing if the
State Department had run guns illegally to Libyan rebels.
An interview of Turi by Fox News intelligence correspondent Catherine
Herridge and Fox News senior executive producer Pamela Browne led
Napolitano to review emails to and from State Department and
congressional officials during the years when Clinton was secretary of
state.
Napolitano concluded it's "beyond a reasonable doubt and to a moral
certainty" that Hillary had conducted a "secret war" shipping arms to
Libya illegally in 2011.
Turi used as a pawn
Napolitano detailed for WND his understanding of the events behind the
Obama administration's decision to run a clandestine war against
Gadhafi.
"Secretary Clinton decided she had to get rid of Gadhafi because she
wanted to take credit when she ran for president for being the
government official responsible for liberating Libya," Napolitano
said.
Clinton knew she would never get a declaration of war from Congress or
authorization under the war powers resolution enacted over President
Nixon's veto in 1973, he asserted.
"So, Secretary Clinton persuaded Obama to use CIA intelligence assets
who would be exempted from the war powers resolution even if they wore
military fatigues in Libya.
Napolitano explained that to use intelligence assets under the war
powers resolution, Clinton needed the cooperation and informal consent
of the "Congress within the Congress," referring to the House
Committee on Intelligence and the Senate Select Committee on
Intelligence, which are sworn to secrecy.
"The result is the president of the United States, the secretary of
state and about two dozen people in the House and Senate, including
the leadership of both parties in both houses, can authorize a
clandestine war using CIA assets" he said.
"And this is exactly what President Obama and Secretary Clinton did."
Having obtained the authorization of the House and Senate intelligence
committees, Clinton began a secret gun-running operation to Libya,
using a provision in the United Nations-imposed arms embargo on Libya
that allowed the foreign minister of participating countries to grant
an exception to the embargo, Napolitano said.
The irony of Turi's prosecution is that he never actually shipped any
weapons to Libya. But in prosecuting Turi for planning to ship
weapons, Turi's attorneys argued in his defense that the Obama
administration was planning to blame Turi for the arms shipment should
Secretary Clinton's clandestine arms dealings ever become public.
---------
3) See also Hillary's interest in arming terrorists from early
publications, e.g.,
http://insider.foxnews.com/2015/07/02/judge-nap-hillary-clinton-approved-arms-terrorists-syria-libya
Post by lo yeeOn
Post by lo yeeOn
Judge Andrew Napolitano revealed this morning what he has concluded
after reviewing hundreds of pages of documents and emails related to
Hillary Clinton's tenure as secretary of state.
The judge wrote today in a Washington Times column that the
documents "persuaded me beyond a reasonable doubt and to a moral
certainty that Mrs. Clinton provided material assistance to
terrorists and lied to Congress.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/05/28/emails-show-clintons-interest-in-arming-libyan-rebels-despite-prohibitions/
Post by lo yeeOn
Post by lo yeeOn
Recently released emails detail then-Secretary of State Hillary
Clinton's interest in arming Libyan opposition groups using private
security contractors before the fall of Muammar Qaddafi in 2011 -
though at the time, the opposition was not formally recognized by the
U.S. or United Nations, which prohibited arming without following
strict guidelines and oversight.
The issue remains so sensitive that the emails recently released by
the State Department redacted a key line on the matter. But the
unredacted version of the same email, released to the congressional
Benghazi Select Committee and first posted by The New York Times last
Thursday, showed Clinton appearing to endorse the idea of using
private contractors to her then-deputy chief of staff, Jake Sullivan.
"FYI. The idea of using private security experts to arm the opposition
should be considered," Clinton wrote to Sullivan on April 8, 2011,
attaching an intelligence report from Hillary's adviser Sidney
Blumenthal. The opposition was known as the Transitional National
Council, or TNC."
Another email released by the State Department shows that five days
earlier, on April 3, 2011, Bill Clinton said he would not rule out
arming the Libyan opposition. The story was circulated by Cheryl
Mills, Hillary Clinton's principal personal adviser at the State
Department, to "H". While it's not clear who "H" is, based on the
message traffic it is likely Hillary Clinton or possibly adviser Huma
Abedin.
Later that same year, a Sept. 10, 2011 email with a subject line
"Rogers" said, "Apparently wants to see you to talk Libya/weapons."
At the time, the Republican chairman of the House Intelligence
Committee was Mike Rogers, who abruptly announced he would not seek
re-election in the spring of 2014. Rogers did not immediately respond
to questions seeking comment. Fox News also filed its own Freedom of
Information Act request for the documents in October 2012.
Current and former intelligence and administration officials
consistently have skirted questions about weapons shipments, first
documented by Fox News in October 2012, one month after the Benghazi
terrorist attack, and what role the movement played in arming
extremist groups the U.S. government is now trying to defeat in Syria
and Iraq.
Through shipping records, Fox News confirmed that the Libyan-flagged
vessel Al Entisar, which means "The Victory," was received in the
Turkish port of Iskenderun -- 35 miles from the Syrian border -- on
Sept. 6, 2012, five days before the Benghazi terrorist attack. The
cargo reportedly included surface-to-air anti-aircraft missiles, RPG's
and Russian-designed shoulder-launched missiles known as MANPADS.
"Secretary Clinton decided she had to get rid of Gadhafi because she
wanted to take credit when she ran for president for being the
government official responsible for liberating Libya," Napolitano
said.
Clinton knew she would never get a declaration of war from Congress or
authorization under the war powers resolution enacted over President
Nixon's veto in 1973, he asserted.
"So, Secretary Clinton persuaded Obama to use CIA intelligence assets
who would be exempted from the war powers resolution even if they wore
military fatigues in Libya.
Napolitano explained that to use intelligence assets under the war
powers resolution, Clinton needed the cooperation and informal consent
of the "Congress within the Congress," referring to the House
Committee on Intelligence and the Senate Select Committee on
Intelligence, which are sworn to secrecy.
"The result is the president of the United States, the secretary of
state and about two dozen people in the House and Senate, including
the leadership of both parties in both houses, can authorize a
clandestine war using CIA assets" he said.
"And this is exactly what President Obama and Secretary Clinton did."
. . .
You still haven't said anything meaningful here. Hillary did not
intentionally arm ISIS. She did not "sell" any weapons to them. Nothing
in your long post provides evidence of that. As usual, you have much
quantity and literally no quality. Rather than hide your deception with
long posts that few people bother to read, why don't you state in a
sentence or two what your evidence is that Hillary sold weapons to ISIS?
I bet you can't do that, because it would lay bare the fact that you
have none.
"Evidence backs claim that Hillary armed ISIS"
In order for you bmoore to defend Hillary as an innocent lamb, you
said she "did not intentionally arm ISIS". Buf if that were true,
we've got to wonder why Hillary was so terse about her magnificent
experience as head of SoS during the whole crazy year of campaigning.
And that's exactly the point of my subject line. Hillary's great
experience in foreign policy is totally unspeakable! It was so
because what she wanted to accomplish, namely to please the neocons by
getting rid of Gaddafi's government and other Middle East governments,
she needed to work with terrorists and she secretly did - and that's
why the long article from WND. WND didn't intentionally post long
article to fool its readers. Neither did I. Hillary spent years
working with ISIS, and that's WND, Julian Assamge, Judge Napolitano,
Andrew McCarthy, and others' findings.
Snopes and you have no leg to stand on trying to defend Hillary.
Second, you emphasized the word "sell", having little substance to
work with. But I never claimed that Hillary sold weapons to the poor
ISIS fighters. Who in their right mind would think that those poor
ISIS volunteers would have money to buy expensive American-made
killing machines to overthrow Assad or Gaddafi?
Third, so you throw out terms like "qualitative" and "quantitatve" as
if you presented any in either of your posts. Those words are
strawman devices and have no place in these posts. The real
quantitative thing about Hillary consists of these: years of arming
ISIS and stirring up a civil war in Syria, thousands of emails from
Hillary and her underlings coming out of Wikileaks dumps, "hundreds"
of documents uncovered through FOIA, etc. The real qualitative is the
undeniable truth in Hillary's culpability as seen through the
discovery works of Assange, Judical Watch, Judge Napolitano, Andrew
McCarthy, et al. I am only spreading the word! And I am because it
looks like thee neocons are still plotting to bring her back to rule
the world - which would be a huge tragedy.
But for you, bmoore, you want to sell your quality on the nickels and
dimes!
What is the point of nickeling and diming about Hillary "selling" arms?
"Evidence backs claim that Hillary armed ISIS"
The key words are "Hillary armed ISIS".
Of course she made sure that all the relevant parties, like the Saudi
Arabia, were available to help ISIS.
And so the headline of the WND article is the
"Evidence backs claim that Hillary armed ISIS"
More nickeling and diming for Hillary or ISIS, bmoore?
lo yeeOn
-----
Evidence backs claim that Hillary armed ISIS
'They are supporting all the terror groups'
http://www.wnd.com/2016/12/evidence-backs-erdogans-claim-that-hillary-armed-isis/
Post by lo yeeOn
NEW YORK - Documents made public by the Washington watchdog group
Judicial Watch and separately by Wikileaks Julian Assange back up
Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan's assertion on Tuesday that U.S.-led
coalition forces have given support to terror groups, including ISIS
in Syria.
In an interview with Democracy Now's Juan Gonzalez. "So, those
Hillary Clinton emails, they connect together with the cables that we
have published of Hillary Clinton, creating a rich picture of how
Hillary Clinton performs in office, but, more broadly, how the
U.S. Department of State operates," Assange said in the interview.
"So, for example, the disastrous, absolutely disastrous intervention
in Libya, the destruction of the Gadhafi government, which led to the
occupation of ISIS of large segments of that country, weapons flows
going over to Syria, being pushed by Hillary Clinton, into jihadists
within Syria, including ISIS, that's there in those emails."
The Obama administration's betrayal is exposed in "See Something, Say
Nothing: A Homeland Security Officer Exposes the Government's
Submission to Jihad," by former DHS officer Philip Haney and WND
Editor Art Moore!
Erdogan said that rather than supporting Turkey, the West was backing
ISIS and groups Turkey classifies as terrorist organizations, the
Kurdish Peoples' Protection Units and Democratic Union Party, who work
with the U.S. on the ground in Syria.
"They are supporting all the terror groups," Erdogan said. "It's quite
clear, perfectly obvious," he said, offering to provide proof in
pictures and video.
In response to the Assange interview, Snopes.com, a left-leaning
"fact-checking" website, argued that Assange released no emails that
proved she "deliberately and knowingly" arranged for the United States
to sell weapons to ISIS.
Snopes.com, however, did agree Clinton "in her role in shaping the
United States' actions regarding the Libyan intervention and the
ongoing Syrian civil war: may have negligently allowed arms to fall
into the hands of "jihadists".
As a consequence, Snopes judged Assange's claim a "mixture of true and
false", insisting Clinton's negligence in allowing U.S. weapons to
fall into the hands of ISIS terrorists in Syria was not the same thing
as "selling weapons to ISIS".
However, since 2011 WND has reported that documents released by
Judicial Watch and Wikileaks showed Clinton's State Department
engineering the clandestine transfer of weapons from Libya to Syria
that ended up in the hands of terrorist groups aligned with ISIS and
al-Qaida.
Ambassador Stevens involved in weapons shipping
In May 2015, WND reported Judicial Watch made public more than 100
pages of previously classified Department of Defense and Department of
State documents implicating the Obama administration in a cover-up to
obscure the role Clinton and the State Department played in the rise
of ISIS.
The documents, obtained by Judicial Watch in a Freedom of Information
Act lawsuit, provide evidence that U.S. Ambassador Christopher Stevens
was involved in shipping weapons from Benghazi to support the
al-Qaida-affiliated militias fighting the Bashar al-Assad regime in
Syria, effectively arming the Sunni jihadists who morphed into ISIS.
Judicial Watch also noted the DOD documents contain the first official
documentation that the Obama administration knew that weapons were
being shipped from the Port of Benghazi to rebel troops in Syria.
Weapons from the former Libya military stockpiles were shipped from
the port of Benghazi, Libya to the Port of Banias and the Port of
Borj Islam, Syria. The weapons shipped during late-August 2012 were
Sniper rifles, RPGs, and 125 mm and 155mm howitzers missiles.
During the immediate aftermath of, and following the uncertainty
caused by, the downfall of the (Qaddafi) regime in October 2011 and
up until early September of 2012, weapons from the former Libya
military stockpiles located in Benghazi, Libya were shipped from the
port of Benghazi, Libya to the ports of Banias and the Port of Borj
Islam, Syria. The Syrian ports were chosen due to the small amount
of cargo traffic transiting these two ports. The ships used to
transport the weapons were medium-sized and able to hold 10 or less
shipping containers of cargo.
A DIA document made public by Wikileaks included an inventory of
weapons that closely matches the inventory listed in the Department of
The weapons shipped from Syria during late-August 2012 were Sniper
rifles, RPG's and 125mm and 155mm howitzers missiles. The numbers
for each weapon were estimated to be: 500 Sniper rifles, 100 RPG
launchers with 300 total rounds, and approximately 400 howitzers
missiles [200ea - 125mm and 200ea - 155mm].
The heavily redacted document does not disclose who was shipping the
weapons.
Judicial Watch noted an August 2012 Defense Intelligence Agency
report, written at time the U.S. was monitoring weapons flows from
Libya to Syria, said "the Salafist, the Muslim Brotherhood, and AQI
are the major forces driving the insurgency in Syria."
Judicial Watch commented that the sectarian direction of the war in
Syria was predicted to have dire consequences for Iraq, which included
the "grave danger" of the rise of ISIS.
This creates the ideal atmosphere for AQI [al Qaeda Iraq] to return
to its old pockets in Mosul and Ramadi, and will provide a renewed
momentum under the presumption of unifying the jihad among Sunni
Iraq and Syria, and the rest of the Sunnis in the Arab world against
what it considers one enemy, the dissenters. ISI could also declare
an Islamic state through its union with other terrorist
organizations in Iraq and Syria, which will create grave danger in
regards to unifying...
Did Hillary arm ISIS intentionally? Yes or no?
Google yourself, I said enough, especially after you accused me of
double posting. E.g.,

WIKILEAKS BOMBSHELL:

Hillary Gave Saudi Arabia Arms While Secretary To KNOWINGLY Arm ISIS

Breaking News By TruthFeedNews October 21, 2016

Hillary in Libya, celebrating Gaddafi's death. "We came. we saw. he
died."

Hillary knew Saudi Arabia's connection to what would be later called
ISIS. She knew the players she worked with. She knew the risks she
was subjecting Chris Stevens to, when she had him go from one armed
group to another, to wreak chaos in Libya that eventually led to his
death. The killers knew who he was. So, why don't you ask Hillary to
discuss what she knew about her ambassador to Libya, just like Sean
Smith's mother has been asking her for the past 4 years?

lo yeeOn
lo yeeOn
2016-12-29 01:04:41 UTC
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Raw Message
[a lot of words]
I never said Hillary was an innocent lamb. That's more of your hyperbole.
But answer me this, oh dishonest one: did Hillary intentionally give
weapons to ISIS? Yes or no?
For your double question, I am reposting my answer as below. Enjoy!

lo yeeOn
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[his typical tripe]
The WND article noted that Snopes argued that Hillary's negligence in
letting weapons fall into the hands of ISIS is not the same thing as
*selling* weapons to ISIS. This is of course true.
lo yeeOn is either dishonest or stupid.
Of course, it's bmoore's modus operandi in the SCC group to try to
discredit posts which do not agree with the neocon narrative.
He thinks he can pull a fast one for the casual readers in the group.
He thinks he can smear the messenger to kill the message. But he, as
always, has failed once again.
And as always I only make claims that I have stuff to back it up with
in the same article that i post.
The point for me to cite the WND article, including Snopes' lame
excuse for Hillary is to show that Snopes deliberately ignored the
long history of Hillary's clandestine involvement in arming ISIS
during her tenure as SoS. In fact, ignoring the context is a common
defense tactic for criminals like Hillary who made regime change the
focus of her State job and started out with the grotesque project to
overthrow the Gaddafi government in Libya and then shifted her regime
change human resources, aka, her mercenaries, along with the arms they
had used in the Libyan war, to Syria.
I didn't have to do anything except to quote the WND article because
it details the context of Hillary's history of arming terrorists.
It's clear why Snopes said thing that would _appear_ to absolve
Hillary. It's, as WND pointed out, a "left-leaning" organization. It
didn't like Assange's revelation on Democracy Now and it of course
didn't like Assange's recent Christmas Eve interview with Repubblica's
Stefania Maurizi. So, even as Snopes cannot deny the fact that
weapons captured from fleeing ISIS fighters have the "made in the US"
label, it ignores all the ISIS supporting activities Hillary and her
staff have been engaged in in those years that caused millions of
Syrians to be homeless and hundreds of thousands more to be killed.
But WND made very careful documentation of what Judicial Watch, Judge
Napolitano have analyzed - through hundreds of pages of documents they
were able to uncover through the FOIA.
Some of the most damning evidence that has come through was that the
late Ambassador Christopher Stevens was moving arms from group to
group in Libya to help Hillary accomplish what NATO could not do in
the air. And because of Stevens' interaction with ISIS, he was
eventually killed when ISIS attacked the US consulate in Benghazi.
("If you lie down with a rattle snake you may get bitten", as the
proverb goes.) That tragedy was merely a point of illustration of the
dark side of regime change - using terrorists to overthrow governments.
Julian Assange used much more diplomatic terms to describe this dark
stuff.
"So, for example, the disastrous, absolutely disastrous intervention
in Libya, the destruction of the Gadhafi government, which led to
the occupation of ISIS of large segments of that country, weapons
flows going over to Syria, being pushed by Hillary Clinton, into
jihadists within Syria, including ISIS, that's there in those emails."
And a former Obama administration DHS officer Philip Haney and WND
Editor Art Moore explained the administration's silence on the
Benghazi fiasco in "See Something, Say Nothing: A Homeland Security
Officer Exposes the Government's Submission to Jihad,"
Turkish President Erdogan just revealed that the US was working with
ISIS in Syria.
"They are supporting all the terror groups," Erdogan said. "It's
quite clear, perfectly obvious," he said, offering to provide proof
in pictures and video.
And I specifically put Judge Napolitano's analysis at the top of my
post to show that Assange's revelation on Hillary's business in arming
ISIS is firmly backed up by the way our government has worked using
intelligence information to start a war against a country somewhere on
this planet - very sleazy and very secretive.
[Judge] Napolitano explained that to use intelligence assets under
the war powers resolution, Clinton needed the cooperation and
informal consent of the "Congress within the Congress," referring to
the House Committee on Intelligence and the Senate Select Committee
on Intelligence, which are sworn to secrecy.
"The result is the president of the United States, the secretary of
state and about two dozen people in the House and Senate, including
the leadership of both parties in both houses, can authorize a
clandestine war using CIA assets" he said.
"And this is exactly what President Obama and Secretary Clinton did."
Having obtained the authorization of the House and Senate
intelligence committees, Clinton began a secret gun-running
operation to Libya, using a provision in the United Nations-imposed
arms embargo on Libya that allowed the foreign minister of
participating countries to grant an exception to the embargo,
Napolitano said [regarding the Turi arms smuggling case].
So, despite the lame effort by people like bmoore, truthers aren't
willing to let Obama and his left-wing mouthpieces like Snopes to
smother their desire to get to the truth of things in Washington.
lo yeeOn
Our innocent Hillary just kept arming those ISIS terrorists with
American lethal weapons. Knowingly or not, she was going to protect
us too!:)
So, what's the point of arming someone and then fighting him?
It could'a unwrapped this paradox had the State Department worked to
uncover those mysterious HRC emails that she declared to be "private"
and off-limit to the public that she generated during the time she as
Obama's SoS. At least that's the opinion of Judge Stephen Williams.
At the time, Hillary was directing the late Ambassador Chris Stevens
to smuggle weapons through Libya and determined to turn the country
into a failed state. She was then plotting the same for Syria, with
the helpful hands of the ISIS fighters.
[Judge] Napolitano explained that to use intelligence assets under
the war powers resolution, Clinton needed the cooperation and
informal consent of the "Congress within the Congress," referring to
the House Committee on Intelligence and the Senate Select Committee
on Intelligence, which are sworn to secrecy.
"The result is the president of the United States, the secretary of
state and about two dozen people in the House and Senate, including
the leadership of both parties in both houses, can authorize a
clandestine war using CIA assets" he said.
"And this is exactly what President Obama and Secretary Clinton did."
Having obtained the authorization of the House and Senate
intelligence committees, Clinton began a secret gun-running
operation to Libya, using a provision in the United Nations-imposed
arms embargo on Libya that allowed the foreign minister of
participating countries to grant an exception to the embargo,
Napolitano said [regarding the Turi arms smuggling case].
So the Turi case provided startling information about Hillary's
secrets in regard to her relationship with the ISIS fighters she
armed. Judge Napolitano's analysis was instructive in pointing out
the ways and means the powers that be can lead us to war and mayhem
with little information available to the public.
lo yeeOn
1) An appelate court judge thinks that something was fishy at the
State Department in connection with the HRC emails.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/u-appeals-court-revives-clinton-email-suit-194958894.html
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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - In a new legal development on the controversy
over former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton's emails, an appeals
court on Tuesday reversed a lower court ruling and said two
U.S. government agencies should have done more to recover the emails.
The ruling from Judge Stephen Williams, of the U.S. Court of Appeals
for the District of Columbia Circuit, revives one of a number of legal
challenges involving Clinton's handling of government emails when she
was secretary of state from 2009 to 2013.
Clinton, the 2016 Democratic presidential nominee, used a private
email server housed at her New York home to handle State Department
emails. She handed over 55,000 emails to U.S. officials probing that
system, but did not release about 30,000 she said were personal and
not work related.
. . .
While the State Department and National Archives took steps to recover
the emails from Clinton's tenure, they did not ask the U.S. attorney
general to take enforcement action. Two conservative groups filed
lawsuits to force their hand.
A district judge in January ruled the suits brought by Judicial Watch
and Cause of Action moot, saying State and the National Archives made
a "sustained effort" to recover and preserve Clinton's records.
But Williams said the two agencies should have done more, according to
the ruling in the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia
Circuit. Since the agencies neither asked the attorney general for
help nor showed such enforcement action could not uncover new emails,
the case was not moot.
"The Department has not explained why shaking the tree harder - e.g.,
by following the statutory mandate to seek action by the Attorney
General - might not bear more still," Williams wrote. "Absent a
showing that the requested enforcement action could not shake loose a
few more emails, the case is not moot."
2) Evidence backs claim that Hillary armed ISIS
'They are supporting all the terror groups'
http://www.wnd.com/2016/12/evidence-backs-erdogans-claim-that-hillary-armed-isis/
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NEW YORK - Documents made public by the Washington watchdog group
Judicial Watch and separately by Wikileaks Julian Assange back up
Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan's assertion on Tuesday that U.S.-led
coalition forces have given support to terror groups, including ISIS
in Syria.
In an interview with Democracy Now's Juan Gonzalez. "So, those
Hillary Clinton emails, they connect together with the cables that we
have published of Hillary Clinton, creating a rich picture of how
Hillary Clinton performs in office, but, more broadly, how the
U.S. Department of State operates," Assange said in the interview.
"So, for example, the disastrous, absolutely disastrous intervention
in Libya, the destruction of the Gadhafi government, which led to the
occupation of ISIS of large segments of that country, weapons flows
going over to Syria, being pushed by Hillary Clinton, into jihadists
within Syria, including ISIS, that's there in those emails."
The Obama administration's betrayal is exposed in "See Something, Say
Nothing: A Homeland Security Officer Exposes the Government's
Submission to Jihad," by former DHS officer Philip Haney and WND
Editor Art Moore!
Erdogan said that rather than supporting Turkey, the West was backing
ISIS and groups Turkey classifies as terrorist organizations, the
Kurdish Peoples' Protection Units and Democratic Union Party, who work
with the U.S. on the ground in Syria.
"They are supporting all the terror groups," Erdogan said. "It's quite
clear, perfectly obvious," he said, offering to provide proof in
pictures and video.
In response to the Assange interview, Snopes.com, a left-leaning
"fact-checking" website, argued that Assange released no emails that
proved she "deliberately and knowingly" arranged for the United States
to sell weapons to ISIS.
Snopes.com, however, did agree Clinton "in her role in shaping the
United States' actions regarding the Libyan intervention and the
ongoing Syrian civil war: may have negligently allowed arms to fall
into the hands of "jihadists".
As a consequence, Snopes judged Assange's claim a "mixture of true and
false", insisting Clinton's negligence in allowing U.S. weapons to
fall into the hands of ISIS terrorists in Syria was not the same thing
as "selling weapons to ISIS".
However, since 2011 WND has reported that documents released by
Judicial Watch and Wikileaks showed Clinton's State Department
engineering the clandestine transfer of weapons from Libya to Syria
that ended up in the hands of terrorist groups aligned with ISIS and
al-Qaida.
Ambassador Stevens involved in weapons shipping
In May 2015, WND reported Judicial Watch made public more than 100
pages of previously classified Department of Defense and Department of
State documents implicating the Obama administration in a cover-up to
obscure the role Clinton and the State Department played in the rise
of ISIS.
The documents, obtained by Judicial Watch in a Freedom of Information
Act lawsuit, provide evidence that U.S. Ambassador Christopher Stevens
was involved in shipping weapons from Benghazi to support the
al-Qaida-affiliated militias fighting the Bashar al-Assad regime in
Syria, effectively arming the Sunni jihadists who morphed into ISIS.
Judicial Watch also noted the DOD documents contain the first official
documentation that the Obama administration knew that weapons were
being shipped from the Port of Benghazi to rebel troops in Syria.
Weapons from the former Libya military stockpiles were shipped from
the port of Benghazi, Libya to the Port of Banias and the Port of
Borj Islam, Syria. The weapons shipped during late-August 2012 were
Sniper rifles, RPGs, and 125 mm and 155mm howitzers missiles.
During the immediate aftermath of, and following the uncertainty
caused by, the downfall of the (Qaddafi) regime in October 2011 and
up until early September of 2012, weapons from the former Libya
military stockpiles located in Benghazi, Libya were shipped from the
port of Benghazi, Libya to the ports of Banias and the Port of Borj
Islam, Syria. The Syrian ports were chosen due to the small amount
of cargo traffic transiting these two ports. The ships used to
transport the weapons were medium-sized and able to hold 10 or less
shipping containers of cargo.
A DIA document made public by Wikileaks included an inventory of
weapons that closely matches the inventory listed in the Department of
The weapons shipped from Syria during late-August 2012 were Sniper
rifles, RPG's and 125mm and 155mm howitzers missiles. The numbers
for each weapon were estimated to be: 500 Sniper rifles, 100 RPG
launchers with 300 total rounds, and approximately 400 howitzers
missiles [200ea - 125mm and 200ea - 155mm].
The heavily redacted document does not disclose who was shipping the
weapons.
Judicial Watch noted an August 2012 Defense Intelligence Agency
report, written at time the U.S. was monitoring weapons flows from
Libya to Syria, said "the Salafist, the Muslim Brotherhood, and AQI
are the major forces driving the insurgency in Syria."
Judicial Watch commented that the sectarian direction of the war in
Syria was predicted to have dire consequences for Iraq, which included
the "grave danger" of the rise of ISIS.
This creates the ideal atmosphere for AQI [al Qaeda Iraq] to return
to its old pockets in Mosul and Ramadi, and will provide a renewed
momentum under the presumption of unifying the jihad among Sunni
Iraq and Syria, and the rest of the Sunnis in the Arab world against
what it considers one enemy, the dissenters. ISI could also declare
an Islamic state through its union with other terrorist
organizations in Iraq and Syria, which will create grave danger in
regards to unifying Iraq and the protection of its territory.
Judicial Watch said some of the "dire consequences" are blacked out,
but the DIA presciently warned one such consequence would be renewing
facilitation of terrorist elements from all over the Arab world
entering into Iraqi Arena.
Clinton sought to arm Free Syria Army
In an Aug. 17, 2014, email released by Wikileaks, Clinton, after her
service as secretary of state, suggested to John Podesta: "At the same
time, we should return to plans to provide the FSA [Free Syria Army],
with some group of moderate forces, with equipment that twill allow
them to deal with a weakened ISIL, and stepped up operations against
the Syrian regime".
Andrew C. McCarthy, a senior policy fellow at the National Review
Institute, tied the statement to the Obama administration's plan to
equip Syrian fighters, either the Free Syrian Army or "other moderate
forces," to a U.S.-led operation in coordination with Saudi Arabia,
Qatar and Turkey to steer weapons to Syria, "ostensibly to fight both
Assad and ISIS".
McCarthy noted, however, that Clinton's 2014 memo to Podesta asserted
the Saudi and Qatari governments both supported ISIS and other
"radical Sunni groups".
In September 2013, WND reported Secretary of State John F. Kerry and
Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., had relied on the work of Elizabeth O'Bagy,
a 26-year-old graduate student, to argue in testimony before the
Senate Foreign Relations Committee that the Obama administration
should send weapons to arm the "moderate" Free Syria Army to oppose
the Assad government in Syria.
WND detailed the extensive lobbying efforts conducted in Washington to
advance the FSA as a "moderate group", despite clear evidence the
al-Nusra Front - operating under the FSA umbrella - had been declared
a terrorist organization by the State Department; has pledged
allegiance to al Qaida's top leader, Ayman al-Zawahiri; and was the
group of choice for foreign jihadis pouring into Syria.
in September 2014, WND reported O'Bagy, who had been fired from her
job with a Washington think-tank after her exposure by WND as a source
for Kerry's argument that the FSA is a "moderate" rebel force in
Syria, had also arranged for McCain a trip to Syria in May 2013,
during which senator met with Abdul Hakim Belhaj, who was then
represented as a leader of the FSA.
In November 2013, WND reported trusted Libyan expatriates had claimed
Belhaj was at large in Libya. The expatriates identified Belhaj as an
al-Qaida operative, noting he was at the top of a list of Libyan
terrorists banned by the European Union from obtaining entrance visas
and was the principal organizer of the terrorist attack in Benghazi on
Sept. 11, 2011, in which Ambassador Stevens was murdered.
Clinton arms deals tied to Turi prosecution
McCarthy tied Clinton's 2014 comment to Podesta regarding the FSA to a
weapons shipment from Benghazi to Turkey for eventual transit to Syria
that occurred just days before the Benghazi attack. McCarthy noted the
September 2012 weapons shipment was coordinated by Belhaj, "an
al-Qaeda-affiliated jihadist with whom Stevens had consulted during
the uprising against Qadhafi".
McCarthy further noted the September 2012 shipment of weapons had been
arranged by Marc Turi, a professional arms dealer who had been
indicted by federal prosecutors in Phoenix for supplying arms to
Libyan "rebels" during the 2010-2011 war.
McCarthy commented the Obama administration dropped the criminal case
one day before a court-ordered deadline to disclose information about
its efforts to arm Muslim rebels.
"Turi's lawyers had explained his defense to the court: His arms
shipments, destined for the Libyan rebels and channeled through Qatar
and the United Arab Emirates, were part of a U.S.-authorized effort,"
McCarthy wrote. "Turi further asserts that the Obama administration
was subsequently complicit in the shipment of weapons from Libya to
`rebels' in Syria, who are fighting the Assad regime."
Fox News senior judicial analyst Judge Andrew Napolitano, in an
interview with WND, insisted the DOJ was forced to drop the Turi
prosecution because federal prosecutors were convinced his defense
would expose Clinton's secret arms running to the radical
al-Qaida-affiliated militia in Libya in 2011.
Video proof of arms transfer
WND published visual evidence Clinton's State Department secretly
provided weapons to Islamic jihadists in Libya to support the
U.S.-backed NATO bombing in 2011.
In one of the videos published by WND, Moussa Ibrahim, Gadhafi's
information minister and official spokesman, displayed to reporters in
2011 a cache of weapons and ammunition seized from a ship from Qatar
intercepted by the Libyan Coast Guard off Libya's coast.
The video matched a report of Qatari military equipment seized in
mid-April 2011. Anthony Bell and David Witter of the Institute for the
Study of War, in their October 2011 publication "Anthony Bell and
David Witter of the Institute for the Study of War, in their October
2011 publication "The Libyan Revolution: Stalemate & Siege, Part 3,"
said the shipment "consisting of bulletproof vests, helmets and
ammunition were bound for the rebels besieged in Misrata".
"Though his shipment was unannounced, Qatari Prime Minister al-Thani
alluded to arming the rebels just days before the crates appeared,"
they wrote.
Turi caught in Clinton's secret war
WND reported in July 2015 Napolitano's concerns that Turi was being
set up for prosecution to continue a cover-up of the secret war on
Libya.
The background of the Turi prosecution, while complicated, is at the
heart of an allegation made by Napolitano in a syndicated column
published July 1, 2015.
Napolitano charged Clinton, while secretary of state, lied when
Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky., asked her in a Senate committee hearing if the
State Department had run guns illegally to Libyan rebels.
An interview of Turi by Fox News intelligence correspondent Catherine
Herridge and Fox News senior executive producer Pamela Browne led
Napolitano to review emails to and from State Department and
congressional officials during the years when Clinton was secretary of
state.
Napolitano concluded it's "beyond a reasonable doubt and to a moral
certainty" that Hillary had conducted a "secret war" shipping arms to
Libya illegally in 2011.
Turi used as a pawn
Napolitano detailed for WND his understanding of the events behind the
Obama administration's decision to run a clandestine war against
Gadhafi.
"Secretary Clinton decided she had to get rid of Gadhafi because she
wanted to take credit when she ran for president for being the
government official responsible for liberating Libya," Napolitano
said.
Clinton knew she would never get a declaration of war from Congress or
authorization under the war powers resolution enacted over President
Nixon's veto in 1973, he asserted.
"So, Secretary Clinton persuaded Obama to use CIA intelligence assets
who would be exempted from the war powers resolution even if they wore
military fatigues in Libya.
Napolitano explained that to use intelligence assets under the war
powers resolution, Clinton needed the cooperation and informal consent
of the "Congress within the Congress," referring to the House
Committee on Intelligence and the Senate Select Committee on
Intelligence, which are sworn to secrecy.
"The result is the president of the United States, the secretary of
state and about two dozen people in the House and Senate, including
the leadership of both parties in both houses, can authorize a
clandestine war using CIA assets" he said.
"And this is exactly what President Obama and Secretary Clinton did."
Having obtained the authorization of the House and Senate intelligence
committees, Clinton began a secret gun-running operation to Libya,
using a provision in the United Nations-imposed arms embargo on Libya
that allowed the foreign minister of participating countries to grant
an exception to the embargo, Napolitano said.
The irony of Turi's prosecution is that he never actually shipped any
weapons to Libya. But in prosecuting Turi for planning to ship
weapons, Turi's attorneys argued in his defense that the Obama
administration was planning to blame Turi for the arms shipment should
Secretary Clinton's clandestine arms dealings ever become public.
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3) See also Hillary's interest in arming terrorists from early
publications, e.g.,
http://insider.foxnews.com/2015/07/02/judge-nap-hillary-clinton-approved-arms-terrorists-syria-libya
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Judge Andrew Napolitano revealed this morning what he has concluded
after reviewing hundreds of pages of documents and emails related to
Hillary Clinton's tenure as secretary of state.
The judge wrote today in a Washington Times column that the
documents "persuaded me beyond a reasonable doubt and to a moral
certainty that Mrs. Clinton provided material assistance to
terrorists and lied to Congress.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/05/28/emails-show-clintons-interest-in-arming-libyan-rebels-despite-prohibitions/
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Recently released emails detail then-Secretary of State Hillary
Clinton's interest in arming Libyan opposition groups using private
security contractors before the fall of Muammar Qaddafi in 2011 -
though at the time, the opposition was not formally recognized by the
U.S. or United Nations, which prohibited arming without following
strict guidelines and oversight.
The issue remains so sensitive that the emails recently released by
the State Department redacted a key line on the matter. But the
unredacted version of the same email, released to the congressional
Benghazi Select Committee and first posted by The New York Times last
Thursday, showed Clinton appearing to endorse the idea of using
private contractors to her then-deputy chief of staff, Jake Sullivan.
"FYI. The idea of using private security experts to arm the opposition
should be considered," Clinton wrote to Sullivan on April 8, 2011,
attaching an intelligence report from Hillary's adviser Sidney
Blumenthal. The opposition was known as the Transitional National
Council, or TNC."
Another email released by the State Department shows that five days
earlier, on April 3, 2011, Bill Clinton said he would not rule out
arming the Libyan opposition. The story was circulated by Cheryl
Mills, Hillary Clinton's principal personal adviser at the State
Department, to "H". While it's not clear who "H" is, based on the
message traffic it is likely Hillary Clinton or possibly adviser Huma
Abedin.
Later that same year, a Sept. 10, 2011 email with a subject line
"Rogers" said, "Apparently wants to see you to talk Libya/weapons."
At the time, the Republican chairman of the House Intelligence
Committee was Mike Rogers, who abruptly announced he would not seek
re-election in the spring of 2014. Rogers did not immediately respond
to questions seeking comment. Fox News also filed its own Freedom of
Information Act request for the documents in October 2012.
Current and former intelligence and administration officials
consistently have skirted questions about weapons shipments, first
documented by Fox News in October 2012, one month after the Benghazi
terrorist attack, and what role the movement played in arming
extremist groups the U.S. government is now trying to defeat in Syria
and Iraq.
Through shipping records, Fox News confirmed that the Libyan-flagged
vessel Al Entisar, which means "The Victory," was received in the
Turkish port of Iskenderun -- 35 miles from the Syrian border -- on
Sept. 6, 2012, five days before the Benghazi terrorist attack. The
cargo reportedly included surface-to-air anti-aircraft missiles, RPG's
and Russian-designed shoulder-launched missiles known as MANPADS.
"Secretary Clinton decided she had to get rid of Gadhafi because she
wanted to take credit when she ran for president for being the
government official responsible for liberating Libya," Napolitano
said.
Clinton knew she would never get a declaration of war from Congress or
authorization under the war powers resolution enacted over President
Nixon's veto in 1973, he asserted.
"So, Secretary Clinton persuaded Obama to use CIA intelligence assets
who would be exempted from the war powers resolution even if they wore
military fatigues in Libya.
Napolitano explained that to use intelligence assets under the war
powers resolution, Clinton needed the cooperation and informal consent
of the "Congress within the Congress," referring to the House
Committee on Intelligence and the Senate Select Committee on
Intelligence, which are sworn to secrecy.
"The result is the president of the United States, the secretary of
state and about two dozen people in the House and Senate, including
the leadership of both parties in both houses, can authorize a
clandestine war using CIA assets" he said.
"And this is exactly what President Obama and Secretary Clinton did."
. . .
You still haven't said anything meaningful here. Hillary did not
intentionally arm ISIS. She did not "sell" any weapons to them. Nothing
in your long post provides evidence of that. As usual, you have much
quantity and literally no quality. Rather than hide your deception with
long posts that few people bother to read, why don't you state in a
sentence or two what your evidence is that Hillary sold weapons to ISIS?
I bet you can't do that, because it would lay bare the fact that you
have none.
"Evidence backs claim that Hillary armed ISIS"
In order for you bmoore to defend Hillary as an innocent lamb, you
said she "did not intentionally arm ISIS". Buf if that were true,
we've got to wonder why Hillary was so terse about her magnificent
experience as head of SoS during the whole crazy year of campaigning.
And that's exactly the point of my subject line. Hillary's great
experience in foreign policy is totally unspeakable! It was so
because what she wanted to accomplish, namely to please the neocons by
getting rid of Gaddafi's government and other Middle East governments,
she needed to work with terrorists and she secretly did - and that's
why the long article from WND. WND didn't intentionally post long
article to fool its readers. Neither did I. Hillary spent years
working with ISIS, and that's WND, Julian Assamge, Judge Napolitano,
Andrew McCarthy, and others' findings.
Snopes and you have no leg to stand on trying to defend Hillary.
Second, you emphasized the word "sell", having little substance to
work with. But I never claimed that Hillary sold weapons to the poor
ISIS fighters. Who in their right mind would think that those poor
ISIS volunteers would have money to buy expensive American-made
killing machines to overthrow Assad or Gaddafi?
Third, so you throw out terms like "qualitative" and "quantitatve" as
if you presented any in either of your posts. Those words are
strawman devices and have no place in these posts. The real
quantitative thing about Hillary consists of these: years of arming
ISIS and stirring up a civil war in Syria, thousands of emails from
Hillary and her underlings coming out of Wikileaks dumps, "hundreds"
of documents uncovered through FOIA, etc. The real qualitative is the
undeniable truth in Hillary's culpability as seen through the
discovery works of Assange, Judical Watch, Judge Napolitano, Andrew
McCarthy, et al. I am only spreading the word! And I am because it
looks like thee neocons are still plotting to bring her back to rule
the world - which would be a huge tragedy.
But for you, bmoore, you want to sell your quality on the nickels and
dimes!
What is the point of nickeling and diming about Hillary "selling" arms?
"Evidence backs claim that Hillary armed ISIS"
The key words are "Hillary armed ISIS".
Of course she made sure that all the relevant parties, like the Saudi
Arabia, were available to help ISIS.
And so the headline of the WND article is the
"Evidence backs claim that Hillary armed ISIS"
More nickeling and diming for Hillary or ISIS, bmoore?
lo yeeOn
-----
Evidence backs claim that Hillary armed ISIS
'They are supporting all the terror groups'
http://www.wnd.com/2016/12/evidence-backs-erdogans-claim-that-hillary-armed-isis/
Post by lo yeeOn
NEW YORK - Documents made public by the Washington watchdog group
Judicial Watch and separately by Wikileaks Julian Assange back up
Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan's assertion on Tuesday that U.S.-led
coalition forces have given support to terror groups, including ISIS
in Syria.
In an interview with Democracy Now's Juan Gonzalez. "So, those
Hillary Clinton emails, they connect together with the cables that we
have published of Hillary Clinton, creating a rich picture of how
Hillary Clinton performs in office, but, more broadly, how the
U.S. Department of State operates," Assange said in the interview.
"So, for example, the disastrous, absolutely disastrous intervention
in Libya, the destruction of the Gadhafi government, which led to the
occupation of ISIS of large segments of that country, weapons flows
going over to Syria, being pushed by Hillary Clinton, into jihadists
within Syria, including ISIS, that's there in those emails."
The Obama administration's betrayal is exposed in "See Something, Say
Nothing: A Homeland Security Officer Exposes the Government's
Submission to Jihad," by former DHS officer Philip Haney and WND
Editor Art Moore!
Erdogan said that rather than supporting Turkey, the West was backing
ISIS and groups Turkey classifies as terrorist organizations, the
Kurdish Peoples' Protection Units and Democratic Union Party, who work
with the U.S. on the ground in Syria.
"They are supporting all the terror groups," Erdogan said. "It's quite
clear, perfectly obvious," he said, offering to provide proof in
pictures and video.
In response to the Assange interview, Snopes.com, a left-leaning
"fact-checking" website, argued that Assange released no emails that
proved she "deliberately and knowingly" arranged for the United States
to sell weapons to ISIS.
Snopes.com, however, did agree Clinton "in her role in shaping the
United States' actions regarding the Libyan intervention and the
ongoing Syrian civil war: may have negligently allowed arms to fall
into the hands of "jihadists".
As a consequence, Snopes judged Assange's claim a "mixture of true and
false", insisting Clinton's negligence in allowing U.S. weapons to
fall into the hands of ISIS terrorists in Syria was not the same thing
as "selling weapons to ISIS".
However, since 2011 WND has reported that documents released by
Judicial Watch and Wikileaks showed Clinton's State Department
engineering the clandestine transfer of weapons from Libya to Syria
that ended up in the hands of terrorist groups aligned with ISIS and
al-Qaida.
Ambassador Stevens involved in weapons shipping
In May 2015, WND reported Judicial Watch made public more than 100
pages of previously classified Department of Defense and Department of
State documents implicating the Obama administration in a cover-up to
obscure the role Clinton and the State Department played in the rise
of ISIS.
The documents, obtained by Judicial Watch in a Freedom of Information
Act lawsuit, provide evidence that U.S. Ambassador Christopher Stevens
was involved in shipping weapons from Benghazi to support the
al-Qaida-affiliated militias fighting the Bashar al-Assad regime in
Syria, effectively arming the Sunni jihadists who morphed into ISIS.
Judicial Watch also noted the DOD documents contain the first official
documentation that the Obama administration knew that weapons were
being shipped from the Port of Benghazi to rebel troops in Syria.
Weapons from the former Libya military stockpiles were shipped from
the port of Benghazi, Libya to the Port of Banias and the Port of
Borj Islam, Syria. The weapons shipped during late-August 2012 were
Sniper rifles, RPGs, and 125 mm and 155mm howitzers missiles.
During the immediate aftermath of, and following the uncertainty
caused by, the downfall of the (Qaddafi) regime in October 2011 and
up until early September of 2012, weapons from the former Libya
military stockpiles located in Benghazi, Libya were shipped from the
port of Benghazi, Libya to the ports of Banias and the Port of Borj
Islam, Syria. The Syrian ports were chosen due to the small amount
of cargo traffic transiting these two ports. The ships used to
transport the weapons were medium-sized and able to hold 10 or less
shipping containers of cargo.
A DIA document made public by Wikileaks included an inventory of
weapons that closely matches the inventory listed in the Department of
The weapons shipped from Syria during late-August 2012 were Sniper
rifles, RPG's and 125mm and 155mm howitzers missiles. The numbers
for each weapon were estimated to be: 500 Sniper rifles, 100 RPG
launchers with 300 total rounds, and approximately 400 howitzers
missiles [200ea - 125mm and 200ea - 155mm].
The heavily redacted document does not disclose who was shipping the
weapons.
Judicial Watch noted an August 2012 Defense Intelligence Agency
report, written at time the U.S. was monitoring weapons flows from
Libya to Syria, said "the Salafist, the Muslim Brotherhood, and AQI
are the major forces driving the insurgency in Syria."
Judicial Watch commented that the sectarian direction of the war in
Syria was predicted to have dire consequences for Iraq, which included
the "grave danger" of the rise of ISIS.
This creates the ideal atmosphere for AQI [al Qaeda Iraq] to return
to its old pockets in Mosul and Ramadi, and will provide a renewed
momentum under the presumption of unifying the jihad among Sunni
Iraq and Syria, and the rest of the Sunnis in the Arab world against
what it considers one enemy, the dissenters. ISI could also declare
an Islamic state through its union with other terrorist
organizations in Iraq and Syria, which will create grave danger in
regards to unifying...
Did Hillary arm ISIS intentionally? Yes or no?
Google yourself, I said enough, especially after you accused me of
double posting. E.g.,

WIKILEAKS BOMBSHELL:

Hillary Gave Saudi Arabia Arms While Secretary To KNOWINGLY Arm ISIS

Breaking News By TruthFeedNews October 21, 2016

Hillary in Libya, celebrating Gaddafi's death. "We came. we saw. he
died."

Hillary knew Saudi Arabia's connection to what would be later called
ISIS. She knew the players she worked with. She knew the risks she
was subjecting Chris Stevens to, when she had him go from one armed
group to another, to wreak chaos in Libya that eventually led to his
death. The killers knew who he was. So, why don't you ask Hillary to
discuss what she knew about her ambassador to Libya, just like Sean
Smith's mother has been asking her for the past 4 years?

lo yeeOn
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2016-12-29 08:25:27 UTC
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Hillary knew Saudi Arabia's connection to what would be later called
ISIS. She knew the players she worked with. She knew the risks she
was subjecting Chris Stevens to, when she had him go from one armed
group to another, to wreak chaos in Libya that eventually led to his
death. The killers knew who he was. So, why don't you ask Hillary to
discuss what she knew about her ambassador to Libya, just like Sean
Smith's mother has been asking her for the past 4 years?
Stevens and Smith were American spies by the CIA. It's quite a stretch
to accuse Hillary Clinton on their deaths.

lo yeeOn
2016-12-28 23:19:19 UTC
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[his typical tripe]
The so-called "his typical tripe" is the crux of the argument for why
Snopes is wrong, from Julian Assange, Judge Napolitano, and others.

How arrogant it is for someone like bmoore who has not a shred of an
argument to dismiss the hard work of these distinguished analysts of
the contemporary American political scene. These individuals have
earned the reputation that they much deserve: Seekers of truth with
impeccable credibility and ethics!
The WND article noted that Snopes argued that Hillary's negligence in
letting weapons fall into the hands of ISIS is not the same thing as
*selling* weapons to ISIS. This is of course true.
lo yeeOn is either dishonest or stupid.
Of course, it's bmoore's modus operandi in the SCC group to try to
discredit posts which do not agree with the neocon narrative.

He thinks he can pull a fast one for the casual readers in the group.

He thinks he can smear the messenger to kill the message. But he, as
always, has failed once again.

And as always I only make claims that I have stuff to back it up with
in the same article that i post.

The point for me to cite the WND article, including Snopes' lame
excuse for Hillary is to show that Snopes deliberately ignored the
long history of Hillary's clandestine involvement in arming ISIS
during her tenure as SoS. In fact, ignoring the context is a common
defense tactic for criminals like Hillary who made regime change the
focus of her State job and started out with the grotesque project to
overthrow the Gaddafi government in Libya and then shifted her regime
change human resources, aka, her mercenaries, along with the arms they
had used in the Libyan war, to Syria.

I didn't have to do anything except to quote the WND article because
it details the context of Hillary's history of arming terrorists.

It's clear why Snopes said things that would _appear_ to absolve
Hillary. It's, as WND pointed out, a "left-leaning" organization. It
didn't like Assange's revelations on Democracy Now and it of course
didn't like Assange's recent Christmas Eve interview with Repubblica's
Stefania Maurizi. So, even as Snopes cannot deny the fact that
weapons captured from fleeing ISIS fighters have the "made in the US"
label, it ignores all the ISIS supporting activities Hillary and her
staff were engaged in in those years that caused millions of Syrians
to be homeless and hundreds of thousands more to be killed.

But WND made very careful documentation of what Judicial Watch, Judge
Napolitano have analyzed - through hundreds of pages of documents they
were able to uncover through the FOIA.

Some of the most damning evidence that has come through was that the
late Ambassador Christopher Stevens was moving arms from group to
group in Libya to help Hillary accomplish what NATO could not do in
the air. And because of Stevens' interaction with ISIS, he was
eventually killed when ISIS attacked the US consulate in Benghazi.
("If you lie down with a rattle snake you may get bitten", as the
proverb goes.) That tragedy was merely a point of illustration of the
dark side of regime change - using terrorists to overthrow governments.

Julian Assange used much more diplomatic terms to describe this dark
stuff.

"So, those Hillary Clinton emails, they connect together with the
cables that we have published of Hillary Clinton, creating a rich
picture of how Hillary Clinton performs in office, but, more
broadly, how the U.S. Department of State operates," Assange said in
the interview.

"So, for example, the disastrous, absolutely disastrous intervention
in Libya, the destruction of the Gadhafi government, which led to
the occupation of ISIS of large segments of that country, weapons
flows going over to Syria, being pushed by Hillary Clinton, into
jihadists within Syria, including ISIS, that's there in those emails."

And a former Obama administration DHS officer Philip Haney and WND
Editor Art Moore explained the administration's silence on the
Benghazi fiasco in "See Something, Say Nothing: A Homeland Security
Officer Exposes the Government's Submission to Jihad,"

Turkish President Erdogan just revealed that the US was working with
ISIS in Syria.

"They are supporting all the terror groups," Erdogan said. "It's
quite clear, perfectly obvious," he said, offering to provide proof
in pictures and video.

And I specifically put Judge Napolitano's analysis at the top of my
post to show that Assange's revelation on Hillary's business in arming
ISIS is firmly backed up by the way our government has worked using
intelligence information to start a war against a country somewhere on
this planet - very sleazy and very secretive.

[Judge] Napolitano explained that to use intelligence assets under
the war powers resolution, Clinton needed the cooperation and
informal consent of the "Congress within the Congress," referring to
the House Committee on Intelligence and the Senate Select Committee
on Intelligence, which are sworn to secrecy.

"The result is the president of the United States, the secretary of
state and about two dozen people in the House and Senate, including
the leadership of both parties in both houses, can authorize a
clandestine war using CIA assets" he said.

"And this is exactly what President Obama and Secretary Clinton
did."

Having obtained the authorization of the House and Senate
intelligence committees, Clinton began a secret gun-running
operation to Libya, using a provision in the United Nations-imposed
arms embargo on Libya that allowed the foreign minister of
participating countries to grant an exception to the embargo,
Napolitano said [regarding the Turi arms smuggling case].

So, despite the lame effort by people like bmoore, truthers aren't
willing to let Obama and his left-wing mouthpieces like Snopes to
smother their desire to get to the truth of things in Washington.

lo yeeOn

ORIGINAL POST, for reference:

Our innocent Hillary just kept arming those ISIS terrorists with
American lethal weapons. Knowingly or not, she was going to protect
us too!:)

So, what's the point of arming someone and then fighting him?

It could'a unwrapped this paradox had the State Department worked to
uncover those mysterious HRC emails that she declared to be "private"
and off-limit to the public that she generated during the time she as
Obama's SoS. At least that's the opinion of Judge Stephen Williams.

At the time, Hillary was directing the late Ambassador Chris Stevens
to smuggle weapons through Libya and determined to turn the country
into a failed state. She was then plotting the same for Syria, with
the helpful hands of the ISIS fighters.

[Judge] Napolitano explained that to use intelligence assets under
the war powers resolution, Clinton needed the cooperation and
informal consent of the "Congress within the Congress," referring to
the House Committee on Intelligence and the Senate Select Committee
on Intelligence, which are sworn to secrecy.

"The result is the president of the United States, the secretary of
state and about two dozen people in the House and Senate, including
the leadership of both parties in both houses, can authorize a
clandestine war using CIA assets" he said.

"And this is exactly what President Obama and Secretary Clinton
did."

Having obtained the authorization of the House and Senate
intelligence committees, Clinton began a secret gun-running
operation to Libya, using a provision in the United Nations-imposed
arms embargo on Libya that allowed the foreign minister of
participating countries to grant an exception to the embargo,
Napolitano said [regarding the Turi arms smuggling case].

So the Turi case provided startling information about Hillary's
secrets in regard to her relationship with the ISIS fighters she
armed. Judge Napolitano's analysis was instructive in pointing out
the ways and means the powers that be can lead us to war and mayhem
with little information available to the public.

lo yeeOn

1) An appelate court judge thinks that something was fishy at the
State Department in connection with the HRC emails.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/u-appeals-court-revives-clinton-email-suit-194958894.html

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - In a new legal development on the controversy
over former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton's emails, an appeals
court on Tuesday reversed a lower court ruling and said two
U.S. government agencies should have done more to recover the emails.

The ruling from Judge Stephen Williams, of the U.S. Court of Appeals
for the District of Columbia Circuit, revives one of a number of legal
challenges involving Clinton's handling of government emails when she
was secretary of state from 2009 to 2013.

Clinton, the 2016 Democratic presidential nominee, used a private
email server housed at her New York home to handle State Department
emails. She handed over 55,000 emails to U.S. officials probing that
system, but did not release about 30,000 she said were personal and
not work related.

. . .

While the State Department and National Archives took steps to recover
the emails from Clinton's tenure, they did not ask the U.S. attorney
general to take enforcement action. Two conservative groups filed
lawsuits to force their hand.

A district judge in January ruled the suits brought by Judicial Watch
and Cause of Action moot, saying State and the National Archives made
a "sustained effort" to recover and preserve Clinton's records.

But Williams said the two agencies should have done more, according to
the ruling in the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia
Circuit. Since the agencies neither asked the attorney general for
help nor showed such enforcement action could not uncover new emails,
the case was not moot.

"The Department has not explained why shaking the tree harder - e.g.,
by following the statutory mandate to seek action by the Attorney
General - might not bear more still," Williams wrote. "Absent a
showing that the requested enforcement action could not shake loose a
few more emails, the case is not moot."

2) Evidence backs claim that Hillary armed ISIS

'They are supporting all the terror groups'
http://www.wnd.com/2016/12/evidence-backs-erdogans-claim-that-hillary-armed-isis/

NEW YORK - Documents made public by the Washington watchdog group
Judicial Watch and separately by Wikileaks Julian Assange back up
Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan's assertion on Tuesday that U.S.-led
coalition forces have given support to terror groups, including ISIS
in Syria.

In an interview with Democracy Now's Juan Gonzalez. "So, those
Hillary Clinton emails, they connect together with the cables that we
have published of Hillary Clinton, creating a rich picture of how
Hillary Clinton performs in office, but, more broadly, how the
U.S. Department of State operates," Assange said in the interview.

"So, for example, the disastrous, absolutely disastrous intervention
in Libya, the destruction of the Gadhafi government, which led to the
occupation of ISIS of large segments of that country, weapons flows
going over to Syria, being pushed by Hillary Clinton, into jihadists
within Syria, including ISIS, that's there in those emails."

The Obama administration's betrayal is exposed in "See Something, Say
Nothing: A Homeland Security Officer Exposes the Government's
Submission to Jihad," by former DHS officer Philip Haney and WND
Editor Art Moore!

Erdogan said that rather than supporting Turkey, the West was backing
ISIS and groups Turkey classifies as terrorist organizations, the
Kurdish Peoples' Protection Units and Democratic Union Party, who work
with the U.S. on the ground in Syria.

"They are supporting all the terror groups," Erdogan said. "It's quite
clear, perfectly obvious," he said, offering to provide proof in
pictures and video.

See the Assange interview on Hillary's emails:

In response to the Assange interview, Snopes.com, a left-leaning
"fact-checking" website, argued that Assange released no emails that
proved she "deliberately and knowingly" arranged for the United States
to sell weapons to ISIS.

Snopes.com, however, did agree Clinton "in her role in shaping the
United States' actions regarding the Libyan intervention and the
ongoing Syrian civil war: may have negligently allowed arms to fall
into the hands of "jihadists".

As a consequence, Snopes judged Assange's claim a "mixture of true and
false", insisting Clinton's negligence in allowing U.S. weapons to
fall into the hands of ISIS terrorists in Syria was not the same thing
as "selling weapons to ISIS".

However, since 2011 WND has reported that documents released by
Judicial Watch and Wikileaks showed Clinton's State Department
engineering the clandestine transfer of weapons from Libya to Syria
that ended up in the hands of terrorist groups aligned with ISIS and
al-Qaida.

Ambassador Stevens involved in weapons shipping

In May 2015, WND reported Judicial Watch made public more than 100
pages of previously classified Department of Defense and Department of
State documents implicating the Obama administration in a cover-up to
obscure the role Clinton and the State Department played in the rise
of ISIS.

The documents, obtained by Judicial Watch in a Freedom of Information
Act lawsuit, provide evidence that U.S. Ambassador Christopher Stevens
was involved in shipping weapons from Benghazi to support the
al-Qaida-affiliated militias fighting the Bashar al-Assad regime in
Syria, effectively arming the Sunni jihadists who morphed into ISIS.

Judicial Watch also noted the DOD documents contain the first official
documentation that the Obama administration knew that weapons were
being shipped from the Port of Benghazi to rebel troops in Syria.

An October 2012 DOD report confirmed:

Weapons from the former Libya military stockpiles were shipped from
the port of Benghazi, Libya to the Port of Banias and the Port of
Borj Islam, Syria. The weapons shipped during late-August 2012 were
Sniper rifles, RPGs, and 125 mm and 155mm howitzers missiles.

During the immediate aftermath of, and following the uncertainty
caused by, the downfall of the (Qaddafi) regime in October 2011 and
up until early September of 2012, weapons from the former Libya
military stockpiles located in Benghazi, Libya were shipped from the
port of Benghazi, Libya to the ports of Banias and the Port of Borj
Islam, Syria. The Syrian ports were chosen due to the small amount
of cargo traffic transiting these two ports. The ships used to
transport the weapons were medium-sized and able to hold 10 or less
shipping containers of cargo.

A DIA document made public by Wikileaks included an inventory of
weapons that closely matches the inventory listed in the Department of
Justice criminal case against arms dealer Marc Turi:

The weapons shipped from Syria during late-August 2012 were Sniper
rifles, RPG's and 125mm and 155mm howitzers missiles. The numbers
for each weapon were estimated to be: 500 Sniper rifles, 100 RPG
launchers with 300 total rounds, and approximately 400 howitzers
missiles [200ea - 125mm and 200ea - 155mm].

The heavily redacted document does not disclose who was shipping the
weapons.

Judicial Watch noted an August 2012 Defense Intelligence Agency
report, written at time the U.S. was monitoring weapons flows from
Libya to Syria, said "the Salafist, the Muslim Brotherhood, and AQI
are the major forces driving the insurgency in Syria."

Judicial Watch commented that the sectarian direction of the war in
Syria was predicted to have dire consequences for Iraq, which included
the "grave danger" of the rise of ISIS.

The DIA document noted:

This creates the ideal atmosphere for AQI [al Qaeda Iraq] to return
to its old pockets in Mosul and Ramadi, and will provide a renewed
momentum under the presumption of unifying the jihad among Sunni
Iraq and Syria, and the rest of the Sunnis in the Arab world against
what it considers one enemy, the dissenters. ISI could also declare
an Islamic state through its union with other terrorist
organizations in Iraq and Syria, which will create grave danger in
regards to unifying Iraq and the protection of its territory.

Judicial Watch said some of the "dire consequences" are blacked out,
but the DIA presciently warned one such consequence would be renewing
facilitation of terrorist elements from all over the Arab world
entering into Iraqi Arena.

Clinton sought to arm Free Syria Army

In an Aug. 17, 2014, email released by Wikileaks, Clinton, after her
service as secretary of state, suggested to John Podesta: "At the same
time, we should return to plans to provide the FSA [Free Syria Army],
with some group of moderate forces, with equipment that twill allow
them to deal with a weakened ISIL, and stepped up operations against
the Syrian regime".

Andrew C. McCarthy, a senior policy fellow at the National Review
Institute, tied the statement to the Obama administration's plan to
equip Syrian fighters, either the Free Syrian Army or "other moderate
forces," to a U.S.-led operation in coordination with Saudi Arabia,
Qatar and Turkey to steer weapons to Syria, "ostensibly to fight both
Assad and ISIS".

McCarthy noted, however, that Clinton's 2014 memo to Podesta asserted
the Saudi and Qatari governments both supported ISIS and other
"radical Sunni groups".

In September 2013, WND reported Secretary of State John F. Kerry and
Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., had relied on the work of Elizabeth O'Bagy,
a 26-year-old graduate student, to argue in testimony before the
Senate Foreign Relations Committee that the Obama administration
should send weapons to arm the "moderate" Free Syria Army to oppose
the Assad government in Syria.

WND detailed the extensive lobbying efforts conducted in Washington to
advance the FSA as a "moderate group", despite clear evidence the
al-Nusra Front - operating under the FSA umbrella - had been declared
a terrorist organization by the State Department; has pledged
allegiance to al Qaida's top leader, Ayman al-Zawahiri; and was the
group of choice for foreign jihadis pouring into Syria.

in September 2014, WND reported O'Bagy, who had been fired from her
job with a Washington think-tank after her exposure by WND as a source
for Kerry's argument that the FSA is a "moderate" rebel force in
Syria, had also arranged for McCain a trip to Syria in May 2013,
during which senator met with Abdul Hakim Belhaj, who was then
represented as a leader of the FSA.

In November 2013, WND reported trusted Libyan expatriates had claimed
Belhaj was at large in Libya. The expatriates identified Belhaj as an
al-Qaida operative, noting he was at the top of a list of Libyan
terrorists banned by the European Union from obtaining entrance visas
and was the principal organizer of the terrorist attack in Benghazi on
Sept. 11, 2011, in which Ambassador Stevens was murdered.

Clinton arms deals tied to Turi prosecution

McCarthy tied Clinton's 2014 comment to Podesta regarding the FSA to a
weapons shipment from Benghazi to Turkey for eventual transit to Syria
that occurred just days before the Benghazi attack. McCarthy noted the
September 2012 weapons shipment was coordinated by Belhaj, "an
al-Qaeda-affiliated jihadist with whom Stevens had consulted during
the uprising against Qadhafi".

McCarthy further noted the September 2012 shipment of weapons had been
arranged by Marc Turi, a professional arms dealer who had been
indicted by federal prosecutors in Phoenix for supplying arms to
Libyan "rebels" during the 2010-2011 war.

McCarthy commented the Obama administration dropped the criminal case
one day before a court-ordered deadline to disclose information about
its efforts to arm Muslim rebels.

"Turi's lawyers had explained his defense to the court: His arms
shipments, destined for the Libyan rebels and channeled through Qatar
and the United Arab Emirates, were part of a U.S.-authorized effort,"
McCarthy wrote. "Turi further asserts that the Obama administration
was subsequently complicit in the shipment of weapons from Libya to
`rebels' in Syria, who are fighting the Assad regime."

Fox News senior judicial analyst Judge Andrew Napolitano, in an
interview with WND, insisted the DOJ was forced to drop the Turi
prosecution because federal prosecutors were convinced his defense
would expose Clinton's secret arms running to the radical
al-Qaida-affiliated militia in Libya in 2011.

Video proof of arms transfer

WND published visual evidence Clinton's State Department secretly
provided weapons to Islamic jihadists in Libya to support the
U.S.-backed NATO bombing in 2011.

In one of the videos published by WND, Moussa Ibrahim, Gadhafi's
information minister and official spokesman, displayed to reporters in
2011 a cache of weapons and ammunition seized from a ship from Qatar
intercepted by the Libyan Coast Guard off Libya's coast.

The video matched a report of Qatari military equipment seized in
mid-April 2011. Anthony Bell and David Witter of the Institute for the
Study of War, in their October 2011 publication "Anthony Bell and
David Witter of the Institute for the Study of War, in their October
2011 publication "The Libyan Revolution: Stalemate & Siege, Part 3,"
said the shipment "consisting of bulletproof vests, helmets and
ammunition were bound for the rebels besieged in Misrata".

"Though his shipment was unannounced, Qatari Prime Minister al-Thani
alluded to arming the rebels just days before the crates appeared,"
they wrote.

Turi caught in Clinton's secret war

WND reported in July 2015 Napolitano's concerns that Turi was being
set up for prosecution to continue a cover-up of the secret war on
Libya.

The background of the Turi prosecution, while complicated, is at the
heart of an allegation made by Napolitano in a syndicated column
published July 1, 2015.

Napolitano charged Clinton, while secretary of state, lied when
Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky., asked her in a Senate committee hearing if the
State Department had run guns illegally to Libyan rebels.

An interview of Turi by Fox News intelligence correspondent Catherine
Herridge and Fox News senior executive producer Pamela Browne led
Napolitano to review emails to and from State Department and
congressional officials during the years when Clinton was secretary of
state.

Napolitano concluded it's "beyond a reasonable doubt and to a moral
certainty" that Hillary had conducted a "secret war" shipping arms to
Libya illegally in 2011.

Turi used as a pawn

Napolitano detailed for WND his understanding of the events behind the
Obama administration's decision to run a clandestine war against
Gadhafi.

"Secretary Clinton decided she had to get rid of Gadhafi because she
wanted to take credit when she ran for president for being the
government official responsible for liberating Libya," Napolitano
said.

Clinton knew she would never get a declaration of war from Congress or
authorization under the war powers resolution enacted over President
Nixon's veto in 1973, he asserted.

"So, Secretary Clinton persuaded Obama to use CIA intelligence assets
who would be exempted from the war powers resolution even if they wore
military fatigues in Libya.

Napolitano explained that to use intelligence assets under the war
powers resolution, Clinton needed the cooperation and informal consent
of the "Congress within the Congress," referring to the House
Committee on Intelligence and the Senate Select Committee on
Intelligence, which are sworn to secrecy.

"The result is the president of the United States, the secretary of
state and about two dozen people in the House and Senate, including
the leadership of both parties in both houses, can authorize a
clandestine war using CIA assets" he said.

"And this is exactly what President Obama and Secretary Clinton did."

Having obtained the authorization of the House and Senate intelligence
committees, Clinton began a secret gun-running operation to Libya,
using a provision in the United Nations-imposed arms embargo on Libya
that allowed the foreign minister of participating countries to grant
an exception to the embargo, Napolitano said.

The irony of Turi's prosecution is that he never actually shipped any
weapons to Libya. But in prosecuting Turi for planning to ship
weapons, Turi's attorneys argued in his defense that the Obama
administration was planning to blame Turi for the arms shipment should
Secretary Clinton's clandestine arms dealings ever become public.

---------

3) See also Hillary's interest in arming terrorists from early
publications, e.g.,

http://insider.foxnews.com/2015/07/02/judge-nap-hillary-clinton-approved-arms-terrorists-syria-libya

Judge Andrew Napolitano revealed this morning what he has concluded
after reviewing hundreds of pages of documents and emails related to
Hillary Clinton's tenure as secretary of state.

The judge wrote today in a Washington Times column that the
documents "persuaded me beyond a reasonable doubt and to a moral
certainty that Mrs. Clinton provided material assistance to
terrorists and lied to Congress.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/05/28/emails-show-clintons-interest-in-arming-libyan-rebels-despite-prohibitions/

Recently released emails detail then-Secretary of State Hillary
Clinton's interest in arming Libyan opposition groups using private
security contractors before the fall of Muammar Qaddafi in 2011 -
though at the time, the opposition was not formally recognized by the
U.S. or United Nations, which prohibited arming without following
strict guidelines and oversight.

The issue remains so sensitive that the emails recently released by
the State Department redacted a key line on the matter. But the
unredacted version of the same email, released to the congressional
Benghazi Select Committee and first posted by The New York Times last
Thursday, showed Clinton appearing to endorse the idea of using
private contractors to her then-deputy chief of staff, Jake Sullivan.

"FYI. The idea of using private security experts to arm the opposition
should be considered," Clinton wrote to Sullivan on April 8, 2011,
attaching an intelligence report from Hillary's adviser Sidney
Blumenthal. The opposition was known as the Transitional National
Council, or TNC."

Another email released by the State Department shows that five days
earlier, on April 3, 2011, Bill Clinton said he would not rule out
arming the Libyan opposition. The story was circulated by Cheryl
Mills, Hillary Clinton's principal personal adviser at the State
Department, to "H". While it's not clear who "H" is, based on the
message traffic it is likely Hillary Clinton or possibly adviser Huma
Abedin.

Later that same year, a Sept. 10, 2011 email with a subject line
"Rogers" said, "Apparently wants to see you to talk Libya/weapons."

At the time, the Republican chairman of the House Intelligence
Committee was Mike Rogers, who abruptly announced he would not seek
re-election in the spring of 2014. Rogers did not immediately respond
to questions seeking comment. Fox News also filed its own Freedom of
Information Act request for the documents in October 2012.

Current and former intelligence and administration officials
consistently have skirted questions about weapons shipments, first
documented by Fox News in October 2012, one month after the Benghazi
terrorist attack, and what role the movement played in arming
extremist groups the U.S. government is now trying to defeat in Syria
and Iraq.

Through shipping records, Fox News confirmed that the Libyan-flagged
vessel Al Entisar, which means "The Victory," was received in the
Turkish port of Iskenderun -- 35 miles from the Syrian border -- on
Sept. 6, 2012, five days before the Benghazi terrorist attack. The
cargo reportedly included surface-to-air anti-aircraft missiles, RPG's
and Russian-designed shoulder-launched missiles known as MANPADS.

"Secretary Clinton decided she had to get rid of Gadhafi because she
wanted to take credit when she ran for president for being the
government official responsible for liberating Libya," Napolitano
said.

Clinton knew she would never get a declaration of war from Congress or
authorization under the war powers resolution enacted over President
Nixon's veto in 1973, he asserted.

"So, Secretary Clinton persuaded Obama to use CIA intelligence assets
who would be exempted from the war powers resolution even if they wore
military fatigues in Libya.

Napolitano explained that to use intelligence assets under the war
powers resolution, Clinton needed the cooperation and informal consent
of the "Congress within the Congress," referring to the House
Committee on Intelligence and the Senate Select Committee on
Intelligence, which are sworn to secrecy.

"The result is the president of the United States, the secretary of
state and about two dozen people in the House and Senate, including
the leadership of both parties in both houses, can authorize a
clandestine war using CIA assets" he said.

"And this is exactly what President Obama and Secretary Clinton did."

. . .
lo yeeOn
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Post by lo yeeOn
[his typical tripe]
The so-called "his typical tripe" is the crux of the argument for why
Snopes is wrong, from Julian Assange, Judge Napolitano, and others.
How arrogant it is for someone like bmoore who has not a shred of an
argument to dismiss the hard work of these distinguished analysts of
the contemporary American political scene. These individuals have
earned the reputation that they much deserve: Seekers of truth with
impeccable credibility and ethics!
The WND article noted that Snopes argued that Hillary's negligence in
letting weapons fall into the hands of ISIS is not the same thing as
*selling* weapons to ISIS. This is of course true.
lo yeeOn is either dishonest or stupid.
Of course, it's bmoore's modus operandi in the SCC group to try to
discredit posts which do not agree with the neocon narrative.
He thinks he can pull a fast one for the casual readers in the group.
He thinks he can smear the messenger to kill the message. But he, as
always, has failed once again.
And as always I only make claims that I have stuff to back it up with
in the same article that i post.
The point for me to cite the WND article, including Snopes' lame
excuse for Hillary is to show that Snopes deliberately ignored the
long history of Hillary's clandestine involvement in arming ISIS
during her tenure as SoS. In fact, ignoring the context is a common
defense tactic for criminals like Hillary who made regime change the
focus of her State job and started out with the grotesque project to
overthrow the Gaddafi government in Libya and then shifted her regime
change human resources, aka, her mercenaries, along with the arms they
had used in the Libyan war, to Syria.
I didn't have to do anything except to quote the WND article because
it details the context of Hillary's history of arming terrorists.
It's clear why Snopes said things that would _appear_ to absolve
Hillary. It's, as WND pointed out, a "left-leaning" organization. It
didn't like Assange's revelations on Democracy Now and it of course
didn't like Assange's recent Christmas Eve interview with Repubblica's
Stefania Maurizi. So, even as Snopes cannot deny the fact that
weapons captured from fleeing ISIS fighters have the "made in the US"
label, it ignores all the ISIS supporting activities Hillary and her
staff were engaged in in those years that caused millions of Syrians
to be homeless and hundreds of thousands more to be killed.
But WND made very careful documentation of what Judicial Watch, Judge
Napolitano have analyzed - through hundreds of pages of documents they
were able to uncover through the FOIA.
Some of the most damning evidence that has come through was that the
late Ambassador Christopher Stevens was moving arms from group to
group in Libya to help Hillary accomplish what NATO could not do in
the air. And because of Stevens' interaction with ISIS, he was
eventually killed when ISIS attacked the US consulate in Benghazi.
("If you lie down with a rattle snake you may get bitten", as the
proverb goes.) That tragedy was merely a point of illustration of the
dark side of regime change - using terrorists to overthrow governments.
Julian Assange used much more diplomatic terms to describe this dark
stuff.
"So, those Hillary Clinton emails, they connect together with the
cables that we have published of Hillary Clinton, creating a rich
picture of how Hillary Clinton performs in office, but, more
broadly, how the U.S. Department of State operates," Assange said in
the interview.
"So, for example, the disastrous, absolutely disastrous intervention
in Libya, the destruction of the Gadhafi government, which led to
the occupation of ISIS of large segments of that country, weapons
flows going over to Syria, being pushed by Hillary Clinton, into
jihadists within Syria, including ISIS, that's there in those emails."
And a former Obama administration DHS officer Philip Haney and WND
Editor Art Moore explained the administration's silence on the
Benghazi fiasco in "See Something, Say Nothing: A Homeland Security
Officer Exposes the Government's Submission to Jihad,"
Turkish President Erdogan just revealed that the US was working with
ISIS in Syria.
"They are supporting all the terror groups," Erdogan said. "It's
quite clear, perfectly obvious," he said, offering to provide proof
in pictures and video.
And I specifically put Judge Napolitano's analysis at the top of my
post to show that Assange's revelation on Hillary's business in arming
ISIS is firmly backed up by the way our government has worked using
intelligence information to start a war against a country somewhere on
this planet - very sleazy and very secretive.
[Judge] Napolitano explained that to use intelligence assets under
the war powers resolution, Clinton needed the cooperation and
informal consent of the "Congress within the Congress," referring to
the House Committee on Intelligence and the Senate Select Committee
on Intelligence, which are sworn to secrecy.
"The result is the president of the United States, the secretary of
state and about two dozen people in the House and Senate, including
the leadership of both parties in both houses, can authorize a
clandestine war using CIA assets" he said.
"And this is exactly what President Obama and Secretary Clinton did."
Having obtained the authorization of the House and Senate
intelligence committees, Clinton began a secret gun-running
operation to Libya, using a provision in the United Nations-imposed
arms embargo on Libya that allowed the foreign minister of
participating countries to grant an exception to the embargo,
Napolitano said [regarding the Turi arms smuggling case].
So, despite the lame effort by people like bmoore, truthers aren't
willing to let Obama and his left-wing mouthpieces like Snopes to
smother their desire to get to the truth of things in Washington.
lo yeeOn
Our innocent Hillary just kept arming those ISIS terrorists with
American lethal weapons. Knowingly or not, she was going to protect
us too!:)
So, what's the point of arming someone and then fighting him?
It could'a unwrapped this paradox had the State Department worked to
uncover those mysterious HRC emails that she declared to be "private"
and off-limit to the public that she generated during the time she as
Obama's SoS. At least that's the opinion of Judge Stephen Williams.
At the time, Hillary was directing the late Ambassador Chris Stevens
to smuggle weapons through Libya and determined to turn the country
into a failed state. She was then plotting the same for Syria, with
the helpful hands of the ISIS fighters.
[Judge] Napolitano explained that to use intelligence assets under
the war powers resolution, Clinton needed the cooperation and
informal consent of the "Congress within the Congress," referring to
the House Committee on Intelligence and the Senate Select Committee
on Intelligence, which are sworn to secrecy.
"The result is the president of the United States, the secretary of
state and about two dozen people in the House and Senate, including
the leadership of both parties in both houses, can authorize a
clandestine war using CIA assets" he said.
"And this is exactly what President Obama and Secretary Clinton did."
Having obtained the authorization of the House and Senate
intelligence committees, Clinton began a secret gun-running
operation to Libya, using a provision in the United Nations-imposed
arms embargo on Libya that allowed the foreign minister of
participating countries to grant an exception to the embargo,
Napolitano said [regarding the Turi arms smuggling case].
So the Turi case provided startling information about Hillary's
secrets in regard to her relationship with the ISIS fighters she
armed. Judge Napolitano's analysis was instructive in pointing out
the ways and means the powers that be can lead us to war and mayhem
with little information available to the public.
lo yeeOn
1) An appelate court judge thinks that something was fishy at the
State Department in connection with the HRC emails.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/u-appeals-court-revives-clinton-email-suit-194958894.html
Post by lo yeeOn
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - In a new legal development on the controversy
over former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton's emails, an appeals
court on Tuesday reversed a lower court ruling and said two
U.S. government agencies should have done more to recover the emails.
The ruling from Judge Stephen Williams, of the U.S. Court of Appeals
for the District of Columbia Circuit, revives one of a number of legal
challenges involving Clinton's handling of government emails when she
was secretary of state from 2009 to 2013.
Clinton, the 2016 Democratic presidential nominee, used a private
email server housed at her New York home to handle State Department
emails. She handed over 55,000 emails to U.S. officials probing that
system, but did not release about 30,000 she said were personal and
not work related.
. . .
While the State Department and National Archives took steps to recover
the emails from Clinton's tenure, they did not ask the U.S. attorney
general to take enforcement action. Two conservative groups filed
lawsuits to force their hand.
A district judge in January ruled the suits brought by Judicial Watch
and Cause of Action moot, saying State and the National Archives made
a "sustained effort" to recover and preserve Clinton's records.
But Williams said the two agencies should have done more, according to
the ruling in the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia
Circuit. Since the agencies neither asked the attorney general for
help nor showed such enforcement action could not uncover new emails,
the case was not moot.
"The Department has not explained why shaking the tree harder - e.g.,
by following the statutory mandate to seek action by the Attorney
General - might not bear more still," Williams wrote. "Absent a
showing that the requested enforcement action could not shake loose a
few more emails, the case is not moot."
2) Evidence backs claim that Hillary armed ISIS
'They are supporting all the terror groups'
http://www.wnd.com/2016/12/evidence-backs-erdogans-claim-that-hillary-armed-isis/
Post by lo yeeOn
NEW YORK - Documents made public by the Washington watchdog group
Judicial Watch and separately by Wikileaks Julian Assange back up
Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan's assertion on Tuesday that U.S.-led
coalition forces have given support to terror groups, including ISIS
in Syria.
In an interview with Democracy Now's Juan Gonzalez. "So, those
Hillary Clinton emails, they connect together with the cables that we
have published of Hillary Clinton, creating a rich picture of how
Hillary Clinton performs in office, but, more broadly, how the
U.S. Department of State operates," Assange said in the interview.
"So, for example, the disastrous, absolutely disastrous intervention
in Libya, the destruction of the Gadhafi government, which led to the
occupation of ISIS of large segments of that country, weapons flows
going over to Syria, being pushed by Hillary Clinton, into jihadists
within Syria, including ISIS, that's there in those emails."
The Obama administration's betrayal is exposed in "See Something, Say
Nothing: A Homeland Security Officer Exposes the Government's
Submission to Jihad," by former DHS officer Philip Haney and WND
Editor Art Moore!
Erdogan said that rather than supporting Turkey, the West was backing
ISIS and groups Turkey classifies as terrorist organizations, the
Kurdish Peoples' Protection Units and Democratic Union Party, who work
with the U.S. on the ground in Syria.
"They are supporting all the terror groups," Erdogan said. "It's quite
clear, perfectly obvious," he said, offering to provide proof in
pictures and video.
In response to the Assange interview, Snopes.com, a left-leaning
"fact-checking" website, argued that Assange released no emails that
proved she "deliberately and knowingly" arranged for the United States
to sell weapons to ISIS.
Snopes.com, however, did agree Clinton "in her role in shaping the
United States' actions regarding the Libyan intervention and the
ongoing Syrian civil war: may have negligently allowed arms to fall
into the hands of "jihadists".
As a consequence, Snopes judged Assange's claim a "mixture of true and
false", insisting Clinton's negligence in allowing U.S. weapons to
fall into the hands of ISIS terrorists in Syria was not the same thing
as "selling weapons to ISIS".
However, since 2011 WND has reported that documents released by
Judicial Watch and Wikileaks showed Clinton's State Department
engineering the clandestine transfer of weapons from Libya to Syria
that ended up in the hands of terrorist groups aligned with ISIS and
al-Qaida.
Ambassador Stevens involved in weapons shipping
In May 2015, WND reported Judicial Watch made public more than 100
pages of previously classified Department of Defense and Department of
State documents implicating the Obama administration in a cover-up to
obscure the role Clinton and the State Department played in the rise
of ISIS.
The documents, obtained by Judicial Watch in a Freedom of Information
Act lawsuit, provide evidence that U.S. Ambassador Christopher Stevens
was involved in shipping weapons from Benghazi to support the
al-Qaida-affiliated militias fighting the Bashar al-Assad regime in
Syria, effectively arming the Sunni jihadists who morphed into ISIS.
Judicial Watch also noted the DOD documents contain the first official
documentation that the Obama administration knew that weapons were
being shipped from the Port of Benghazi to rebel troops in Syria.
Weapons from the former Libya military stockpiles were shipped from
the port of Benghazi, Libya to the Port of Banias and the Port of
Borj Islam, Syria. The weapons shipped during late-August 2012 were
Sniper rifles, RPGs, and 125 mm and 155mm howitzers missiles.
During the immediate aftermath of, and following the uncertainty
caused by, the downfall of the (Qaddafi) regime in October 2011 and
up until early September of 2012, weapons from the former Libya
military stockpiles located in Benghazi, Libya were shipped from the
port of Benghazi, Libya to the ports of Banias and the Port of Borj
Islam, Syria. The Syrian ports were chosen due to the small amount
of cargo traffic transiting these two ports. The ships used to
transport the weapons were medium-sized and able to hold 10 or less
shipping containers of cargo.
A DIA document made public by Wikileaks included an inventory of
weapons that closely matches the inventory listed in the Department of
The weapons shipped from Syria during late-August 2012 were Sniper
rifles, RPG's and 125mm and 155mm howitzers missiles. The numbers
for each weapon were estimated to be: 500 Sniper rifles, 100 RPG
launchers with 300 total rounds, and approximately 400 howitzers
missiles [200ea - 125mm and 200ea - 155mm].
The heavily redacted document does not disclose who was shipping the
weapons.
Judicial Watch noted an August 2012 Defense Intelligence Agency
report, written at time the U.S. was monitoring weapons flows from
Libya to Syria, said "the Salafist, the Muslim Brotherhood, and AQI
are the major forces driving the insurgency in Syria."
Judicial Watch commented that the sectarian direction of the war in
Syria was predicted to have dire consequences for Iraq, which included
the "grave danger" of the rise of ISIS.
This creates the ideal atmosphere for AQI [al Qaeda Iraq] to return
to its old pockets in Mosul and Ramadi, and will provide a renewed
momentum under the presumption of unifying the jihad among Sunni
Iraq and Syria, and the rest of the Sunnis in the Arab world against
what it considers one enemy, the dissenters. ISI could also declare
an Islamic state through its union with other terrorist
organizations in Iraq and Syria, which will create grave danger in
regards to unifying Iraq and the protection of its territory.
Judicial Watch said some of the "dire consequences" are blacked out,
but the DIA presciently warned one such consequence would be renewing
facilitation of terrorist elements from all over the Arab world
entering into Iraqi Arena.
Clinton sought to arm Free Syria Army
In an Aug. 17, 2014, email released by Wikileaks, Clinton, after her
service as secretary of state, suggested to John Podesta: "At the same
time, we should return to plans to provide the FSA [Free Syria Army],
with some group of moderate forces, with equipment that twill allow
them to deal with a weakened ISIL, and stepped up operations against
the Syrian regime".
Andrew C. McCarthy, a senior policy fellow at the National Review
Institute, tied the statement to the Obama administration's plan to
equip Syrian fighters, either the Free Syrian Army or "other moderate
forces," to a U.S.-led operation in coordination with Saudi Arabia,
Qatar and Turkey to steer weapons to Syria, "ostensibly to fight both
Assad and ISIS".
McCarthy noted, however, that Clinton's 2014 memo to Podesta asserted
the Saudi and Qatari governments both supported ISIS and other
"radical Sunni groups".
In September 2013, WND reported Secretary of State John F. Kerry and
Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., had relied on the work of Elizabeth O'Bagy,
a 26-year-old graduate student, to argue in testimony before the
Senate Foreign Relations Committee that the Obama administration
should send weapons to arm the "moderate" Free Syria Army to oppose
the Assad government in Syria.
WND detailed the extensive lobbying efforts conducted in Washington to
advance the FSA as a "moderate group", despite clear evidence the
al-Nusra Front - operating under the FSA umbrella - had been declared
a terrorist organization by the State Department; has pledged
allegiance to al Qaida's top leader, Ayman al-Zawahiri; and was the
group of choice for foreign jihadis pouring into Syria.
in September 2014, WND reported O'Bagy, who had been fired from her
job with a Washington think-tank after her exposure by WND as a source
for Kerry's argument that the FSA is a "moderate" rebel force in
Syria, had also arranged for McCain a trip to Syria in May 2013,
during which senator met with Abdul Hakim Belhaj, who was then
represented as a leader of the FSA.
In November 2013, WND reported trusted Libyan expatriates had claimed
Belhaj was at large in Libya. The expatriates identified Belhaj as an
al-Qaida operative, noting he was at the top of a list of Libyan
terrorists banned by the European Union from obtaining entrance visas
and was the principal organizer of the terrorist attack in Benghazi on
Sept. 11, 2011, in which Ambassador Stevens was murdered.
Clinton arms deals tied to Turi prosecution
McCarthy tied Clinton's 2014 comment to Podesta regarding the FSA to a
weapons shipment from Benghazi to Turkey for eventual transit to Syria
that occurred just days before the Benghazi attack. McCarthy noted the
September 2012 weapons shipment was coordinated by Belhaj, "an
al-Qaeda-affiliated jihadist with whom Stevens had consulted during
the uprising against Qadhafi".
McCarthy further noted the September 2012 shipment of weapons had been
arranged by Marc Turi, a professional arms dealer who had been
indicted by federal prosecutors in Phoenix for supplying arms to
Libyan "rebels" during the 2010-2011 war.
McCarthy commented the Obama administration dropped the criminal case
one day before a court-ordered deadline to disclose information about
its efforts to arm Muslim rebels.
"Turi's lawyers had explained his defense to the court: His arms
shipments, destined for the Libyan rebels and channeled through Qatar
and the United Arab Emirates, were part of a U.S.-authorized effort,"
McCarthy wrote. "Turi further asserts that the Obama administration
was subsequently complicit in the shipment of weapons from Libya to
`rebels' in Syria, who are fighting the Assad regime."
Fox News senior judicial analyst Judge Andrew Napolitano, in an
interview with WND, insisted the DOJ was forced to drop the Turi
prosecution because federal prosecutors were convinced his defense
would expose Clinton's secret arms running to the radical
al-Qaida-affiliated militia in Libya in 2011.
Video proof of arms transfer
WND published visual evidence Clinton's State Department secretly
provided weapons to Islamic jihadists in Libya to support the
U.S.-backed NATO bombing in 2011.
In one of the videos published by WND, Moussa Ibrahim, Gadhafi's
information minister and official spokesman, displayed to reporters in
2011 a cache of weapons and ammunition seized from a ship from Qatar
intercepted by the Libyan Coast Guard off Libya's coast.
The video matched a report of Qatari military equipment seized in
mid-April 2011. Anthony Bell and David Witter of the Institute for the
Study of War, in their October 2011 publication "Anthony Bell and
David Witter of the Institute for the Study of War, in their October
2011 publication "The Libyan Revolution: Stalemate & Siege, Part 3,"
said the shipment "consisting of bulletproof vests, helmets and
ammunition were bound for the rebels besieged in Misrata".
"Though his shipment was unannounced, Qatari Prime Minister al-Thani
alluded to arming the rebels just days before the crates appeared,"
they wrote.
Turi caught in Clinton's secret war
WND reported in July 2015 Napolitano's concerns that Turi was being
set up for prosecution to continue a cover-up of the secret war on
Libya.
The background of the Turi prosecution, while complicated, is at the
heart of an allegation made by Napolitano in a syndicated column
published July 1, 2015.
Napolitano charged Clinton, while secretary of state, lied when
Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky., asked her in a Senate committee hearing if the
State Department had run guns illegally to Libyan rebels.
An interview of Turi by Fox News intelligence correspondent Catherine
Herridge and Fox News senior executive producer Pamela Browne led
Napolitano to review emails to and from State Department and
congressional officials during the years when Clinton was secretary of
state.
Napolitano concluded it's "beyond a reasonable doubt and to a moral
certainty" that Hillary had conducted a "secret war" shipping arms to
Libya illegally in 2011.
Turi used as a pawn
Napolitano detailed for WND his understanding of the events behind the
Obama administration's decision to run a clandestine war against
Gadhafi.
"Secretary Clinton decided she had to get rid of Gadhafi because she
wanted to take credit when she ran for president for being the
government official responsible for liberating Libya," Napolitano
said.
Clinton knew she would never get a declaration of war from Congress or
authorization under the war powers resolution enacted over President
Nixon's veto in 1973, he asserted.
"So, Secretary Clinton persuaded Obama to use CIA intelligence assets
who would be exempted from the war powers resolution even if they wore
military fatigues in Libya.
Napolitano explained that to use intelligence assets under the war
powers resolution, Clinton needed the cooperation and informal consent
of the "Congress within the Congress," referring to the House
Committee on Intelligence and the Senate Select Committee on
Intelligence, which are sworn to secrecy.
"The result is the president of the United States, the secretary of
state and about two dozen people in the House and Senate, including
the leadership of both parties in both houses, can authorize a
clandestine war using CIA assets" he said.
"And this is exactly what President Obama and Secretary Clinton did."
Having obtained the authorization of the House and Senate intelligence
committees, Clinton began a secret gun-running operation to Libya,
using a provision in the United Nations-imposed arms embargo on Libya
that allowed the foreign minister of participating countries to grant
an exception to the embargo, Napolitano said.
The irony of Turi's prosecution is that he never actually shipped any
weapons to Libya. But in prosecuting Turi for planning to ship
weapons, Turi's attorneys argued in his defense that the Obama
administration was planning to blame Turi for the arms shipment should
Secretary Clinton's clandestine arms dealings ever become public.
---------
3) See also Hillary's interest in arming terrorists from early
publications, e.g.,
http://insider.foxnews.com/2015/07/02/judge-nap-hillary-clinton-approved-arms-terrorists-syria-libya
Post by lo yeeOn
Judge Andrew Napolitano revealed this morning what he has concluded
after reviewing hundreds of pages of documents and emails related to
Hillary Clinton's tenure as secretary of state.
The judge wrote today in a Washington Times column that the
documents "persuaded me beyond a reasonable doubt and to a moral
certainty that Mrs. Clinton provided material assistance to
terrorists and lied to Congress.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/05/28/emails-show-clintons-interest-in-arming-libyan-rebels-despite-prohibitions/
Post by lo yeeOn
Recently released emails detail then-Secretary of State Hillary
Clinton's interest in arming Libyan opposition groups using private
security contractors before the fall of Muammar Qaddafi in 2011 -
though at the time, the opposition was not formally recognized by the
U.S. or United Nations, which prohibited arming without following
strict guidelines and oversight.
The issue remains so sensitive that the emails recently released by
the State Department redacted a key line on the matter. But the
unredacted version of the same email, released to the congressional
Benghazi Select Committee and first posted by The New York Times last
Thursday, showed Clinton appearing to endorse the idea of using
private contractors to her then-deputy chief of staff, Jake Sullivan.
"FYI. The idea of using private security experts to arm the opposition
should be considered," Clinton wrote to Sullivan on April 8, 2011,
attaching an intelligence report from Hillary's adviser Sidney
Blumenthal. The opposition was known as the Transitional National
Council, or TNC."
Another email released by the State Department shows that five days
earlier, on April 3, 2011, Bill Clinton said he would not rule out
arming the Libyan opposition. The story was circulated by Cheryl
Mills, Hillary Clinton's principal personal adviser at the State
Department, to "H". While it's not clear who "H" is, based on the
message traffic it is likely Hillary Clinton or possibly adviser Huma
Abedin.
Later that same year, a Sept. 10, 2011 email with a subject line
"Rogers" said, "Apparently wants to see you to talk Libya/weapons."
At the time, the Republican chairman of the House Intelligence
Committee was Mike Rogers, who abruptly announced he would not seek
re-election in the spring of 2014. Rogers did not immediately respond
to questions seeking comment. Fox News also filed its own Freedom of
Information Act request for the documents in October 2012.
Current and former intelligence and administration officials
consistently have skirted questions about weapons shipments, first
documented by Fox News in October 2012, one month after the Benghazi
terrorist attack, and what role the movement played in arming
extremist groups the U.S. government is now trying to defeat in Syria
and Iraq.
Through shipping records, Fox News confirmed that the Libyan-flagged
vessel Al Entisar, which means "The Victory," was received in the
Turkish port of Iskenderun -- 35 miles from the Syrian border -- on
Sept. 6, 2012, five days before the Benghazi terrorist attack. The
cargo reportedly included surface-to-air anti-aircraft missiles, RPG's
and Russian-designed shoulder-launched missiles known as MANPADS.
"Secretary Clinton decided she had to get rid of Gadhafi because she
wanted to take credit when she ran for president for being the
government official responsible for liberating Libya," Napolitano
said.
Clinton knew she would never get a declaration of war from Congress or
authorization under the war powers resolution enacted over President
Nixon's veto in 1973, he asserted.
"So, Secretary Clinton persuaded Obama to use CIA intelligence assets
who would be exempted from the war powers resolution even if they wore
military fatigues in Libya.
Napolitano explained that to use intelligence assets under the war
powers resolution, Clinton needed the cooperation and informal consent
of the "Congress within the Congress," referring to the House
Committee on Intelligence and the Senate Select Committee on
Intelligence, which are sworn to secrecy.
"The result is the president of the United States, the secretary of
state and about two dozen people in the House and Senate, including
the leadership of both parties in both houses, can authorize a
clandestine war using CIA assets" he said.
"And this is exactly what President Obama and Secretary Clinton did."
. . .
I'm glad I got under your skin. You'll never learn.
BTW, this is an example of your many "double posts" which you always
deny posting. You're like Trump - he can be shown a video of himself
saying something, and *still* will deny saying it.
Why talk about "double posts" here? Why didn't you talk about it in
the thread it was raised? And I attempted to address the question in
that thread. I believe the Vengerskii would not like the comparison
with Trump, in any case.

And, for the record, Trump did not deny what he said in the Billy Bush
video.

He was saying that was the culture of the time and he now regrets
having said it then.

Hillary, the White House, and the MSM threw everything at him,
including the whole kitchen sink, to derail his candidacy.

But the American people can see what is more important in a
presidential campaign: the possibility of a change in government or to
keep an entrenched, oppressive, but not very impressive order.

Likewise, it's very clear where you stood and still stand and it's
also clear where I stood and still stand.

I was shocked that the establishment was so incompetent that they
couldn't help Hillary steal the election.

To me, it is totally illogical to have Hillary became president of the
greatest country on this planet when she unashamedly cackled at the
gruesome death her henchmen on Libyan ground visited upon him. While
Libya was a self-reliant country under his rule, now, thanks to
Hillary's total lack of morals, Libya is a failed state and its 6 some
million people will have only a bleak future for at least one
generation. And what does it say about Hillary's college-educated or
even Ph.D.-Control-Engineer supporters' mindsets?

Don't they even have a sense of decency?

lo yeeOn
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