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McCain is really too old to be an effective senator - someone who read too many Kafkaesque stories about centipedes, watched too many Saturday Night Massacre movies, and was confused about Nixon's special prosecutor with an FBI director
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lo yeeOn
2017-05-10 21:44:59 UTC
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Furthermore, I strongly disagree with the assessment that the FBI head
is "the most respected individual in all of the American government".

"I remember the Saturday Night Massacre," McCain told the mostly
European and American guests, referring to the 1973 incident when
President Nixon fired the special prosecutor looking into the
Watergate break-in, Archibald Cox.

"Probably the most respected individual in all of the American
government is probably the director of the Federal Bureau of
Investigation," McCain said.

This poster thinks the American people, generally, has a rather
negative impression of the FBI - too powerful, too intrusive, and not
particularly credible.

You don't believe me? Ask people about the FBI's role in President
Kennedy's assassination, in MLK Jr.'s assassination, in J Edgar
Hoover's role in persecuting American scientists ...

I personally also do not believe the FBI's conclusion on 9/11. I
believe that I am far from being alone since the term "truthers" has
long been around even before I started posting on these newsgroups.

Even the "voices" of the people don't respect the FBI head. Just ask
Hillary, she has blamed two people for her defeat - one of them is the
then FBI director Comey. Nor does President Trump seem to like Comey.

When neither of these two rivals "respect (in the sense of McCain)"
the office of the FBI head, millions of their followers don't either.

So, QED, McCain is just sucking up the oxygen in Washington and
wasting billions of the American taxpayer money to feed his personal
habits. One of the latest of the billions he is planning to grab from
your wallet and mine is for the alleged purpose of "containing China"!

McCain proposes $7.5 billion of new U.S. military funding for
Asia-Pacific

What a waste of my money - don't know about yours!

lo yeeOn


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/josh-rogin/wp/2017/05/10/john-mccain-on-comey-firing-there-will-be-more-shoes-to-drop/?utm_term=.68ee4eef6cdc

President Trump's sudden firing of FBI Director James B. Comey is bad
for the country and will not be the end of the Trump-Russia affair,
Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) told a group of foreign diplomats and
experts Tuesday night.

Although McCain did not directly accuse the White House of firing
Comey to thwart the FBI's investigation into the Trump campaign's
possible Russia ties, he did say that if that was the intention, it
would fail.

[Comey's dismissal may turn the anti-Trump wave into a tsunami]

"This scandal is going to go on. I've seen it before," McCain told a
meeting of the Munich Security Conference core group."

"This is a centipede. I guarantee you there will be more shoes to
drop, I can just guarantee it. There's just too much information that
we don't have that will be coming out."

He called Trump's actions against Comey "unprecedented" and said the
position of FBI director has held special meaning in American public
life dating back decades.

"I remember the Saturday Night Massacre," McCain told the mostly
European and American guests, referring to the 1973 incident when
President Nixon fired the special prosecutor looking into the
Watergate break-in, Archibald Cox.

"Probably the most respected individual in all of the American
government is probably the director of the Federal Bureau of
Investigation," McCain said. "I'm very sorry that this has happened."

"Probably the most respected individual in all of the American
government is probably the director of the Federal Bureau of
Investigation," McCain said. "I'm very sorry that this has happened."

---------

http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/332770-gop-senators-on-comey-firing-where-they-stand

Trump scored his most prominent defender on Wednesday when Senate
Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) noted that Democrats had
previously criticized Comey and supported Rod Rosenstein's deputy
attorney general nomination. "Our Democratic colleagues [are]
complaining about the removal of an FBI director whom they themselves
repeatedly and sharply criticized," McConnell said on the Senate
floor. "That removal being done by a man, Rod Rosenstein, who they
repeatedly and effusively praised.
lo yeeOn
2017-05-11 04:18:22 UTC
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"THAAD is here to protect South Korea, why do you oppose it?" CBS's
Diaz asked.

"The only reason America deployed THAAD here is to dominate Asia,"
another [South Korean] man said. "America's presence here only
raises the threat of war."

Please know that the Koreans, from the south or the north, aren't
little copies of Red Riding Hood. They aren't stupid. There is
nothing about their country or its history that you know and they
don't know themselves. For more of my rebuttal to jdeluise's ad
hominem, please continue to read.
Post by lo yeeOn
I personally also do not believe the FBI's conclusion on 9/11. I
believe that I am far from being alone since the term "truthers" has
long been around even before I started posting on these newsgroups.
As have the moon landing deniers, holocaust deniers, etc. Your
chronology on usenet (you are a bad usenet citizen by the way) is
irrelevant.
Well, what do you know?

Jdeluise is as grumpy as McCain when Trump gives the neocons and the
Deep State guardians the finger!

You've got to wonder why?

To me and many truthers, 9/11 was only an excuse to launch the PNAC
sub-projects; certainly no official report has much verifiability.

It's pretty clear to me first of all that McCain is up to no good by
badmouthing the head of state of America in front of a bunch of
Germans at this weird "Munich Security Conference core group".

Mike Flynn can't talk with the Russian ambassador but McCain can speak
ill of the president before a bunch of foreigners? How strange!

So, McCain is exactly the no-good type that my subject line expressed
- and as a good citizen, it is my duty to use my free speech rights to
say that and I'm for peace and for making America great again.

Furthermore, by spreading an inappropriate, non-parallel comparison
between the firing of Comey with the firing of Archibald Cox, he is
guilty of smearing. The foreigners most likely didn't know that
Archibld Cox wasn't an FBI director. To a majority of Americans in
Nixon's day, firing Cox was bad but to the majority of today's
Americans, firing Comey is good - good for Trump followers and good
for Hillary's supporters, at least.

To me, and to many truthers, the FBI report does not convince.

All it did was to whip up a war fervor, giving George W Bush a blank
check to kill Muslims, and bring disaster to others (see below).

The official conclusion (re 9/11) is illogical and against physics,
about which I'll let the structural engineers and the physicists
explain with their detailed explanation accompanied with photos,
simulations, and calculations. Why should the official line on 9/11
be any more trustworthy than the official line about Iraq's
non-existent WMD was?

The PNAC embraced by George W Bush and many of his key officials as
well as by Bush's brother is about regime change in the Middle East
and containment of Russia and China.

They don't give a damn about people's lives.

They claimed Iraq had a bad guy in charge, they went in and purged all
the Baathists and made not only the lives of the Sunni Iraqis
miserable, but also the rest of the people of the former Iraq under
Saddam. This includes Christians as well, such as the ancienct
community of ASsyrian Christians. How dare Bush claim to be a
Christian? And I refer to the "former Iraq" because Kurdish leader
Barzani has told the Italians recently that Iraq no longer exists.
So, we destroyed Iraq.

And we went on to destroy Libya and Syria, and now Yemen.

Of course, we are stuck in the Afghan quagmire - a place known as
empires' graveyard, as you well know.

Yet, McCain as well as former UN ambassador Bolton who sold the Iraq
war, and former CIA director James Woolsey who told us that we must
endure decades of War on Terror, as well as the current UN ambassador
Nikki Haley are all stepping on one another's toes to inflict pain on
our Korean brothers and sisters.

Somehow, you don't see their pain, even as they have just spoken loud
and clear that they don't want our THAAD systems and they want to have
a reproachment with their northern siblings.

It was a stroke of genius, IMHO, that Trump lobbed an metaphorically
incendiary device threatening "major, major conflict" with North Korea
that would make the neocons like McCain happy while at once
galvanizing the South Korea citizens to vote in "by a landslide" a
candidate who has promised them to make peace with the North. Of
course, the Deep State is very powerful and Trump might cave and
launch a war with NK. But that is another part of the history yet to
be unfold.

But at least, if Trump wants to, he can tell the American people that
the South Koreans don't want war with their northern siblings, so what
business do we have to immiserate their lives? Even if we don't care
about Korean lives, are we ready to absorb the collapse of the South
Korean economy, which probably ranks the top ten currently? And all
the Korean refugees? Tons of them will end up here, regardless of
official policy.

And Trump can see that if he doesn't show these neocons who is the
boss, they will eventually destroy him.

And I guarantee you that if they will make Trump fulfil his "major,
major conflict" promise, it will be a "major, major" disaster for him
personally. I fervently hope that he is smarter and more courageous
than the McCain type expects him to be and hence avoid that future.

You can keep throwing some irrelevant insults at me, any time you
want. I can absorb all that, 'cause these days, the neocons are in an
existential crisis, and they are pretty grumpy, especially when they
saw Russia's Kislyak having morphed into a Henry Kissinger in the Oval
Office.

lo yeeOn

South Koreans voted for change on Tuesday. May 9, 2017, 7:29 AM
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/south-korea-election-results-north-korea-thaad-protests/

The nation opted -- by a significant margin -- for a liberal
presidential candidate who could completely alter the long-time
strategy on dealing with belligerent neighbor Kim Jong Un to the
north.

Official poll results were to be announced later Tuesday, but as exit
polling showed a landslide for Moon Jae-in, his two rivals conceded.

CBS News correspondent Adriana Diaz reports there were stark
differences between Moon and his competitors on how to contain the
growing North Korea threat, and what to do about the controversial
U.S. missile defense system known as THAAD which has been deployed in
South Korea.

Moon, who favors engagement with Pyongyang over confrontation, will be
the first liberal politician to lead the country in nearly a decade.

He could order the U.S. to remove THAAD, the missile defense system
deployed to intercept potential short- to medium-range North Korean
missiles targeting South Korea or other nearby countries. The system
was rushed in by the U.S. military just weeks ago, but was met by
angry protesters concerned it would only escalate tensions with the
North, and with China and Russia.

On the road that leads to one THAAD installation, CBS News was stopped
at a checkpoint, beyond which only military and police vehicles are
permitted.

Protesters have also come as close as they can get to the anti-missile
system to show their opposition. Buddhist demonstrators have been
camped out at the site for 50 days, praying for THAAD's removal. At a
makeshift camp down the road, demonstrators used their bodies to try
and stop traffic.

"We want to make sure this military vehicle isn't carrying any
supplies for THAAD," one man told us.

They want THAAD out -- despite repeated U.S. assurances it's here for
their benefit.

"THAAD is here to protect South Korea, why do you oppose it?" Diaz
asked.

"The only reason America deployed THAAD here is to dominate Asia,"
another man said. "America's presence here only raises the threat of
war."

THAAD's removal would deal a blow to America's military influence in
South Korea -- and a victory to China -- which fears THAAD's strong
radar system might be used by the U.S. to spy on China.

The official winner of the South Korean election will take office
first thing Wednesday morning.


Subject: McCain is really too old to be an effective senator - someone
who read too many Kafkaesque stories about centipedes, watched too
many Saturday Night Massacre movies, and confused Nixon's special
prosecutor with an FBI director

Furthermore, I strongly disagree with the assessment that the FBI head
is "the most respected individual in all of the American government".

"I remember the Saturday Night Massacre," McCain told the mostly
European and American guests, referring to the 1973 incident when
President Nixon fired the special prosecutor looking into the
Watergate break-in, Archibald Cox.

"Probably the most respected individual in all of the American
government is probably the director of the Federal Bureau of
Investigation," McCain said.

This poster thinks the American people, generally, has a rather
negative impression of the FBI - too powerful, too intrusive, and not
particularly credible.

You don't believe me? Ask people about the FBI's role in President
Kennedy's assassination, in MLK Jr.'s assassination, in J Edgar
Hoover's role in persecuting American scientists ...

I personally also do not believe the FBI's conclusion on 9/11. I
believe that I am far from being alone since the term "truthers" has
long been around even before I started posting on these newsgroups.

Even the "voices" of the people don't respect the FBI head. Just ask
Hillary, she has blamed two people for her defeat - one of them is the
then FBI director Comey. Nor does President Trump seem to like Comey.

When neither of these two rivals "respect (in the sense of McCain)"
the office of the FBI head, millions of their followers don't either.

So, QED, McCain is just sucking up the oxygen in Washington and
wasting billions of the American taxpayer money to feed his personal
habits. One of the latest of the billions he is planning to grab from
your wallet and mine is for the alleged purpose of "containing China"!

McCain proposes $7.5 billion of new U.S. military funding for
Asia-Pacific

What a waste of my money - don't know about yours!

lo yeeOn


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/josh-rogin/wp/2017/05/10/john-mccain-on-comey-firing-there-will-be-more-shoes-to-drop/?utm_term=.68ee4eef6cdc

President Trump's sudden firing of FBI Director James B. Comey is bad
for the country and will not be the end of the Trump-Russia affair,
Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) told a group of foreign diplomats and
experts Tuesday night.

Although McCain did not directly accuse the White House of firing
Comey to thwart the FBI's investigation into the Trump campaign's
possible Russia ties, he did say that if that was the intention, it
would fail.

[Comey's dismissal may turn the anti-Trump wave into a tsunami]

"This scandal is going to go on. I've seen it before," McCain told a
meeting of the Munich Security Conference core group."

"This is a centipede. I guarantee you there will be more shoes to
drop, I can just guarantee it. There's just too much information that
we don't have that will be coming out."

He called Trump's actions against Comey "unprecedented" and said the
position of FBI director has held special meaning in American public
life dating back decades.

"I remember the Saturday Night Massacre," McCain told the mostly
European and American guests, referring to the 1973 incident when
President Nixon fired the special prosecutor looking into the
Watergate break-in, Archibald Cox.

"Probably the most respected individual in all of the American
government is probably the director of the Federal Bureau of
Investigation," McCain said. "I'm very sorry that this has happened."

"Probably the most respected individual in all of the American
government is probably the director of the Federal Bureau of
Investigation," McCain said. "I'm very sorry that this has happened."

---------

http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/332770-gop-senators-on-comey-firing-where-they-stand

Trump scored his most prominent defender on Wednesday when Senate
Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) noted that Democrats had
previously criticized Comey and supported Rod Rosenstein's deputy
attorney general nomination. "Our Democratic colleagues [are]
complaining about the removal of an FBI director whom they themselves
repeatedly and sharply criticized," McConnell said on the Senate
floor. "That removal being done by a man, Rod Rosenstein, who they
repeatedly and effusively praised.








Subject: Trump met Russian FM Sergei Lavrov and Russian Ambassador
Kislyak and the press corp who was hoping to get a glimpse of the
Russians found Henry Kissinger in the Oval Office instead

Is it McCain's another Russian shoe that would drop?

One White House correspondent, speaking on background, remarked on
the unusual nature of the entire morning: None of the press were
alerted that Kislyak would also be at the meeting until photos from
the Russian embassy emerged. At one point the pool was hastily
assembled at one point for what they thought was a photo spray
ending the meeting with Lavrov, but as the press filed into the Oval
Office they discovered instead former Secretary of State Henry
Kissinger sitting there.

A Kislyak morphing into a Kissinger behind a smiling Trump shaking
Lavrov's hand - hilarious!

lo yeeOn

Lavrov: Trump admin are business people, dialogue free from
ideological bias

Published time: 10 May, 2017 15:36 Edited time: 10 May, 2017 17:39

https://www.rt.com/news/387891-lavrov-tillerson-meeting-washington/

. . .

"We have thoroughly discussed Syria, including those ideas about
creating de-escalation zones. We have a shared understanding that this
must be a step made jointly to put an end to violence in Syria,"
Lavrov said.

Lavrov added that he and President Trump did not touch upon the
subject of Russia's alleged meddling in the US elections in 2016,
calling the media hype around the subject an "orgy".

US officials are harming their own people by saying that Russia might
have influenced the elections and is standing behind US internal
affairs, Lavrov also said.

"I think this is even humiliating for American people to hear that US
internal affairs are being governed by Russia. How can it be that such
a great nation is thinking in this way?" Lavrov said.

However, reporters apparently would not let the issue lie, repeating
the same question several times. Lavrov was compelled to repeat that
there has been no solid evidence of any meddling.

After being asked about the issue for a fourth time, Lavrov looked
somewhat annoyed as he replied that he had "already answered".
lo yeeOn
2017-05-11 05:19:54 UTC
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Post by lo yeeOn
"THAAD is here to protect South Korea, why do you oppose it?" CBS's
Diaz asked.
"The only reason America deployed THAAD here is to dominate Asia,"
another [South Korean] man said. "America's presence here only
raises the threat of war."
Please know that the Koreans, from the south or the north, aren't
little copies of Red Riding Hood. They aren't stupid. There is
nothing about their country or its history that you know and they
don't know themselves.
There's been no mention of Korea in this thread until now. You are
really weird.
You're weird yourself by thinking that people don't know the two of
your are in consort to smear President Trump. From day one, jdeluise
was referring to Trump the candidate with his "rug", disregarding his
message.

Of course, the Korean thing is connected to the other things that
McCain advocates. There isn't a war that McCain doesn't like. I
don't have to mention everything in one post. But if you ignore the
original message, then it's time to hear some more of the unpatriotic
things that McCain has been doing to America.

lo yeeOn
Post by lo yeeOn
For more of my rebuttal to jdeluise's ad hominem, please continue
to read.
But if you want it to make any sense you'll need to smoke a lot of weed.
Wow.
Of course, I made sense and I always try my best to make sense. But
if President Trump invited Lavrov to meet him at the Oval Office and
the NYT called it a meeting at an awkward time, then it would be just
like you to throw that kind of ad hominem at me. Just because you
said "Wow" doesn't mean that message wasn't clear.

But with respect to your tactics, I am used to it. Don't forget that
you were trying to incite people to physically harm me because in my
posts, I asked why hundreds of thousands of Iraqis should die just
because we said their president was bad. Do you want me to repost
your violent message?

And what kind of person are you, really, when the politicians are
threatening the extinction of the Korean people and you are attacking
the messenger who object to their callous act?

lo yeeOn

PS: My original reply was misterioiusly gone, leaving bmoore's ad
hominem - so weird! So, this was that post that got deleted:

Subject: Re: McCain is really too old to be an effective senator -
someone who read too many Kafkaesque stories about centipedes, watched
too many Saturday Night Massacre movies, and confused Nixon's special
prosecutor with an FBI director

"THAAD is here to protect South Korea, why do you oppose it?" CBS's
Diaz asked.

"The only reason America deployed THAAD here is to dominate Asia,"
another [South Korean] man said. "America's presence here only
raises the threat of war."

Please know that the Koreans, from the south or the north, aren't
little copies of Red Riding Hood. They aren't stupid. There is
nothing about their country or its history that you know and they
don't know themselves. For more of my rebuttal to jdeluise's ad
hominem, please continue to read.
Post by lo yeeOn
I personally also do not believe the FBI's conclusion on 9/11. I
believe that I am far from being alone since the term "truthers" has
long been around even before I started posting on these newsgroups.
As have the moon landing deniers, holocaust deniers, etc. Your
chronology on usenet (you are a bad usenet citizen by the way) is
irrelevant.
Well, what do you know?

Jdeluise is as grumpy as McCain when Trump gives the neocons and the
Deep State guardians the finger!

You've got to wonder why?

To me and many truthers, 9/11 was only an excuse to launch the PNAC
sub-projects; certainly no official report has much verifiability.

It's pretty clear to me first of all that McCain is up to no good by
badmouthing the head of state of America in front of a bunch of
Germans at this weird "Munich Security Conference core group".

Mike Flynn can't talk with the Russian ambassador but McCain can speak
ill of the president before a bunch of foreigners? How strange!

So, McCain is exactly the no-good type that my subject line expressed
- and as a good citizen, it is my duty to use my free speech rights to
say that and I'm for peace and for making America great again.

Furthermore, by spreading an inappropriate, non-parallel comparison
between the firing of Comey with the firing of Archibald Cox, he is
guilty of smearing. The foreigners most likely didn't know that
Archibld Cox wasn't an FBI director. To a majority of Americans in
Nixon's day, firing Cox was bad but to the majority of today's
Americans, firing Comey is good - good for Trump followers and good
for Hillary's supporters, at least.

To me, and to many truthers, the FBI report does not convince.

All it did was to whip up a war fervor, giving George W Bush a blank
check to kill Muslims, and bring disaster to others (see below).

The official conclusion (re 9/11) is illogical and against physics,
about which I'll let the structural engineers and the physicists
explain with their detailed explanation accompanied with photos,
simulations, and calculations. Why should the official line on 9/11
be any more trustworthy than the official line about Iraq's
non-existent WMD was?

The PNAC embraced by George W Bush and many of his key officials as
well as by Bush's brother is about regime change in the Middle East
and containment of Russia and China.

They don't give a damn about people's lives.

They claimed Iraq had a bad guy in charge, they went in and purged all
the Baathists and made not only the lives of the Sunni Iraqis
miserable, but also the rest of the people of the former Iraq under
Saddam. This includes Christians as well, such as the ancienct
community of ASsyrian Christians. How dare Bush claim to be a
Christian? And I refer to the "former Iraq" because Kurdish leader
Barzani has told the Italians recently that Iraq no longer exists.
So, we destroyed Iraq.

And we went on to destroy Libya and Syria, and now Yemen.

Of course, we are stuck in the Afghan quagmire - a place known as
empires' graveyard, as you well know.

Yet, McCain as well as former UN ambassador Bolton who sold the Iraq
war, and former CIA director James Woolsey who told us that we must
endure decades of War on Terror, as well as the current UN ambassador
Nikki Haley are all stepping on one another's toes to inflict pain on
our Korean brothers and sisters.

Somehow, you don't see their pain, even as they have just spoken loud
and clear that they don't want our THAAD systems and they want to have
a reproachment with their northern siblings.

It was a stroke of genius, IMHO, that Trump lobbed an metaphorically
incendiary device threatening "major, major conflict" with North Korea
that would make the neocons like McCain happy while at once
galvanizing the South Korea citizens to vote in "by a landslide" a
candidate who has promised them to make peace with the North. Of
course, the Deep State is very powerful and Trump might cave and
launch a war with NK. But that is another part of the history yet to
be unfold.

But at least, if Trump wants to, he can tell the American people that
the South Koreans don't want war with their northern siblings, so what
business do we have to immiserate their lives? Even if we don't care
about Korean lives, are we ready to absorb the collapse of the South
Korean economy, which probably ranks the top ten currently? And all
the Korean refugees? Tons of them will end up here, regardless of
official policy.

And Trump can see that if he doesn't show these neocons who is the
boss, they will eventually destroy him.

And I guarantee you that if they will make Trump fulfil his "major,
major conflict" promise, it will be a "major, major" disaster for him
personally. I fervently hope that he is smarter and more courageous
than the McCain type expects him to be and hence avoid that future.

You can keep throwing some irrelevant insults at me, any time you
want. I can absorb all that, 'cause these days, the neocons are in an
existential crisis, and they are pretty grumpy, especially when they
saw Russia's Kislyak having morphed into a Henry Kissinger in the Oval
Office.

lo yeeOn

South Koreans voted for change on Tuesday. May 9, 2017, 7:29 AM
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/south-korea-election-results-north-korea-thaad-protests/

The nation opted -- by a significant margin -- for a liberal
presidential candidate who could completely alter the long-time
strategy on dealing with belligerent neighbor Kim Jong Un to the
north.

Official poll results were to be announced later Tuesday, but as exit
polling showed a landslide for Moon Jae-in, his two rivals conceded.

CBS News correspondent Adriana Diaz reports there were stark
differences between Moon and his competitors on how to contain the
growing North Korea threat, and what to do about the controversial
U.S. missile defense system known as THAAD which has been deployed in
South Korea.

Moon, who favors engagement with Pyongyang over confrontation, will be
the first liberal politician to lead the country in nearly a decade.

He could order the U.S. to remove THAAD, the missile defense system
deployed to intercept potential short- to medium-range North Korean
missiles targeting South Korea or other nearby countries. The system
was rushed in by the U.S. military just weeks ago, but was met by
angry protesters concerned it would only escalate tensions with the
North, and with China and Russia.

On the road that leads to one THAAD installation, CBS News was stopped
at a checkpoint, beyond which only military and police vehicles are
permitted.

Protesters have also come as close as they can get to the anti-missile
system to show their opposition. Buddhist demonstrators have been
camped out at the site for 50 days, praying for THAAD's removal. At a
makeshift camp down the road, demonstrators used their bodies to try
and stop traffic.

"We want to make sure this military vehicle isn't carrying any
supplies for THAAD," one man told us.

They want THAAD out -- despite repeated U.S. assurances it's here for
their benefit.

"THAAD is here to protect South Korea, why do you oppose it?" Diaz
asked.

"The only reason America deployed THAAD here is to dominate Asia,"
another man said. "America's presence here only raises the threat of
war."

THAAD's removal would deal a blow to America's military influence in
South Korea -- and a victory to China -- which fears THAAD's strong
radar system might be used by the U.S. to spy on China.

The official winner of the South Korean election will take office
first thing Wednesday morning.


Subject: McCain is really too old to be an effective senator - someone
who read too many Kafkaesque stories about centipedes, watched too
many Saturday Night Massacre movies, and confused Nixon's special
prosecutor with an FBI director

Furthermore, I strongly disagree with the assessment that the FBI head
is "the most respected individual in all of the American government".

"I remember the Saturday Night Massacre," McCain told the mostly
European and American guests, referring to the 1973 incident when
President Nixon fired the special prosecutor looking into the
Watergate break-in, Archibald Cox.

"Probably the most respected individual in all of the American
government is probably the director of the Federal Bureau of
Investigation," McCain said.

This poster thinks the American people, generally, has a rather
negative impression of the FBI - too powerful, too intrusive, and not
particularly credible.

You don't believe me? Ask people about the FBI's role in President
Kennedy's assassination, in MLK Jr.'s assassination, in J Edgar
Hoover's role in persecuting American scientists ...

I personally also do not believe the FBI's conclusion on 9/11. I
believe that I am far from being alone since the term "truthers" has
long been around even before I started posting on these newsgroups.

Even the "voices" of the people don't respect the FBI head. Just ask
Hillary, she has blamed two people for her defeat - one of them is the
then FBI director Comey. Nor does President Trump seem to like Comey.

When neither of these two rivals "respect (in the sense of McCain)"
the office of the FBI head, millions of their followers don't either.

So, QED, McCain is just sucking up the oxygen in Washington and
wasting billions of the American taxpayer money to feed his personal
habits. One of the latest of the billions he is planning to grab from
your wallet and mine is for the alleged purpose of "containing China"!

McCain proposes $7.5 billion of new U.S. military funding for
Asia-Pacific

What a waste of my money - don't know about yours!

lo yeeOn


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/josh-rogin/wp/2017/05/10/john-mccain-on-comey-firing-there-will-be-more-shoes-to-drop/?utm_term=.68ee4eef6cdc

President Trump's sudden firing of FBI Director James B. Comey is bad
for the country and will not be the end of the Trump-Russia affair,
Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) told a group of foreign diplomats and
experts Tuesday night.

Although McCain did not directly accuse the White House of firing
Comey to thwart the FBI's investigation into the Trump campaign's
possible Russia ties, he did say that if that was the intention, it
would fail.

[Comey's dismissal may turn the anti-Trump wave into a tsunami]

"This scandal is going to go on. I've seen it before," McCain told a
meeting of the Munich Security Conference core group."

"This is a centipede. I guarantee you there will be more shoes to
drop, I can just guarantee it. There's just too much information that
we don't have that will be coming out."

He called Trump's actions against Comey "unprecedented" and said the
position of FBI director has held special meaning in American public
life dating back decades.

"I remember the Saturday Night Massacre," McCain told the mostly
European and American guests, referring to the 1973 incident when
President Nixon fired the special prosecutor looking into the
Watergate break-in, Archibald Cox.

"Probably the most respected individual in all of the American
government is probably the director of the Federal Bureau of
Investigation," McCain said. "I'm very sorry that this has happened."

"Probably the most respected individual in all of the American
government is probably the director of the Federal Bureau of
Investigation," McCain said. "I'm very sorry that this has happened."

---------

http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/332770-gop-senators-on-comey-firing-where-they-stand

Trump scored his most prominent defender on Wednesday when Senate
Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) noted that Democrats had
previously criticized Comey and supported Rod Rosenstein's deputy
attorney general nomination. "Our Democratic colleagues [are]
complaining about the removal of an FBI director whom they themselves
repeatedly and sharply criticized," McConnell said on the Senate
floor. "That removal being done by a man, Rod Rosenstein, who they
repeatedly and effusively praised.








Subject: Trump met Russian FM Sergei Lavrov and Russian Ambassador
Kislyak and the press corp who was hoping to get a glimpse of the
Russians found Henry Kissinger in the Oval Office instead

Is it McCain's another Russian shoe that would drop?

One White House correspondent, speaking on background, remarked on
the unusual nature of the entire morning: None of the press were
alerted that Kislyak would also be at the meeting until photos from
the Russian embassy emerged. At one point the pool was hastily
assembled at one point for what they thought was a photo spray
ending the meeting with Lavrov, but as the press filed into the Oval
Office they discovered instead former Secretary of State Henry
Kissinger sitting there.

A Kislyak morphing into a Kissinger behind a smiling Trump shaking
Lavrov's hand - hilarious!

lo yeeOn

Lavrov: Trump admin are business people, dialogue free from
ideological bias

Published time: 10 May, 2017 15:36 Edited time: 10 May, 2017 17:39

https://www.rt.com/news/387891-lavrov-tillerson-meeting-washington/

. . .

"We have thoroughly discussed Syria, including those ideas about
creating de-escalation zones. We have a shared understanding that this
must be a step made jointly to put an end to violence in Syria,"
Lavrov said.

Lavrov added that he and President Trump did not touch upon the
subject of Russia's alleged meddling in the US elections in 2016,
calling the media hype around the subject an "orgy".

US officials are harming their own people by saying that Russia might
have influenced the elections and is standing behind US internal
affairs, Lavrov also said.

"I think this is even humiliating for American people to hear that US
internal affairs are being governed by Russia. How can it be that such
a great nation is thinking in this way?" Lavrov said.

However, reporters apparently would not let the issue lie, repeating
the same question several times. Lavrov was compelled to repeat that
there has been no solid evidence of any meddling.

After being asked about the issue for a fourth time, Lavrov looked
somewhat annoyed as he replied that he had "already answered".

lo yeeOn
2017-05-11 04:55:43 UTC
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Raw Message
"THAAD is here to protect South Korea, why do you oppose it?" CBS's
Diaz asked.

"The only reason America deployed THAAD here is to dominate Asia,"
another [South Korean] man said. "America's presence here only
raises the threat of war."

Please know that the Koreans, from the south or the north, aren't
little copies of Red Riding Hood. They aren't stupid. There is
nothing about their country or its history that you know and they
don't know themselves. For more of my rebuttal to jdeluise's ad
hominem, please continue to read.
Post by lo yeeOn
I personally also do not believe the FBI's conclusion on 9/11. I
believe that I am far from being alone since the term "truthers" has
long been around even before I started posting on these newsgroups.
As have the moon landing deniers, holocaust deniers, etc. Your
chronology on usenet (you are a bad usenet citizen by the way) is
irrelevant.
Well, what do you know?

Jdeluise is as grumpy as McCain when Trump gives the neocons and the
Deep State guardians the finger!

You've got to wonder why?

To me and many truthers, 9/11 was only an excuse to launch the PNAC
sub-projects; certainly no official report has much verifiability.

It's pretty clear to me first of all that McCain is up to no good by
badmouthing the head of state of America in front of a bunch of
Germans at this weird "Munich Security Conference core group".

Mike Flynn can't talk with the Russian ambassador but McCain can speak
ill of the president before a bunch of foreigners? How strange!

So, McCain is exactly the no-good type that my subject line expressed
- and as a good citizen, it is my duty to use my free speech rights to
say that and I'm for peace and for making America great again.

Furthermore, by spreading an inappropriate, non-parallel comparison
between the firing of Comey with the firing of Archibald Cox, he is
guilty of smearing. The foreigners most likely didn't know that
Archibld Cox wasn't an FBI director. To a majority of Americans in
Nixon's day, firing Cox was bad but to the majority of today's
Americans, firing Comey is good - good for Trump followers and good
for Hillary's supporters, at least.

To me, and to many truthers, the FBI report does not convince.

All it did was to whip up a war fervor, giving George W Bush a blank
check to kill Muslims, and bring disaster to others (see below).

The official conclusion (re 9/11) is illogical and against physics,
about which I'll let the structural engineers and the physicists
explain with their detailed explanation accompanied with photos,
simulations, and calculations. Why should the official line on 9/11
be any more trustworthy than the official line about Iraq's
non-existent WMD was?

The PNAC embraced by George W Bush and many of his key officials as
well as by Bush's brother is about regime change in the Middle East
and containment of Russia and China.

They don't give a damn about people's lives.

They claimed Iraq had a bad guy in charge, they went in and purged all
the Baathists and made not only the lives of the Sunni Iraqis
miserable, but also the rest of the people of the former Iraq under
Saddam. This includes Christians as well, such as the ancienct
community of ASsyrian Christians. How dare Bush claim to be a
Christian? And I refer to the "former Iraq" because Kurdish leader
Barzani has told the Italians recently that Iraq no longer exists.
So, we destroyed Iraq.

And we went on to destroy Libya and Syria, and now Yemen.

Of course, we are stuck in the Afghan quagmire - a place known as
empires' graveyard, as you well know.

Yet, McCain as well as former UN ambassador Bolton who sold the Iraq
war, and former CIA director James Woolsey who told us that we must
endure decades of War on Terror, as well as the current UN ambassador
Nikki Haley are all stepping on one another's toes to inflict pain on
our Korean brothers and sisters.

Somehow, you don't see their pain, even as they have just spoken loud
and clear that they don't want our THAAD systems and they want to have
a reproachment with their northern siblings.

It was a stroke of genius, IMHO, that Trump lobbed an metaphorically
incendiary device threatening "major, major conflict" with North Korea
that would make the neocons like McCain happy while at once
galvanizing the South Korea citizens to vote in "by a landslide" a
candidate who has promised them to make peace with the North. Of
course, the Deep State is very powerful and Trump might cave and
launch a war with NK. But that is another part of the history yet to
be unfold.

But at least, if Trump wants to, he can tell the American people that
the South Koreans don't want war with their northern siblings, so what
business do we have to immiserate their lives? Even if we don't care
about Korean lives, are we ready to absorb the collapse of the South
Korean economy, which probably ranks the top ten currently? And all
the Korean refugees? Tons of them will end up here, regardless of
official policy.

And Trump can see that if he doesn't show these neocons who is the
boss, they will eventually destroy him.

And I guarantee you that if they will make Trump fulfil his "major,
major conflict" promise, it will be a "major, major" disaster for him
personally. I fervently hope that he is smarter and more courageous
than the McCain type expects him to be and hence avoid that future.

You can keep throwing some irrelevant insults at me, any time you
want. I can absorb all that, 'cause these days, the neocons are in an
existential crisis, and they are pretty grumpy, especially when they
saw Russia's Kislyak having morphed into a Henry Kissinger in the Oval
Office.

lo yeeOn

South Koreans voted for change on Tuesday. May 9, 2017, 7:29 AM
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/south-korea-election-results-north-korea-thaad-protests/

The nation opted -- by a significant margin -- for a liberal
presidential candidate who could completely alter the long-time
strategy on dealing with belligerent neighbor Kim Jong Un to the
north.

Official poll results were to be announced later Tuesday, but as exit
polling showed a landslide for Moon Jae-in, his two rivals conceded.

CBS News correspondent Adriana Diaz reports there were stark
differences between Moon and his competitors on how to contain the
growing North Korea threat, and what to do about the controversial
U.S. missile defense system known as THAAD which has been deployed in
South Korea.

Moon, who favors engagement with Pyongyang over confrontation, will be
the first liberal politician to lead the country in nearly a decade.

He could order the U.S. to remove THAAD, the missile defense system
deployed to intercept potential short- to medium-range North Korean
missiles targeting South Korea or other nearby countries. The system
was rushed in by the U.S. military just weeks ago, but was met by
angry protesters concerned it would only escalate tensions with the
North, and with China and Russia.

On the road that leads to one THAAD installation, CBS News was stopped
at a checkpoint, beyond which only military and police vehicles are
permitted.

Protesters have also come as close as they can get to the anti-missile
system to show their opposition. Buddhist demonstrators have been
camped out at the site for 50 days, praying for THAAD's removal. At a
makeshift camp down the road, demonstrators used their bodies to try
and stop traffic.

"We want to make sure this military vehicle isn't carrying any
supplies for THAAD," one man told us.

They want THAAD out -- despite repeated U.S. assurances it's here for
their benefit.

"THAAD is here to protect South Korea, why do you oppose it?" Diaz
asked.

"The only reason America deployed THAAD here is to dominate Asia,"
another man said. "America's presence here only raises the threat of
war."

THAAD's removal would deal a blow to America's military influence in
South Korea -- and a victory to China -- which fears THAAD's strong
radar system might be used by the U.S. to spy on China.

The official winner of the South Korean election will take office
first thing Wednesday morning.


Subject: McCain is really too old to be an effective senator - someone
who read too many Kafkaesque stories about centipedes, watched too
many Saturday Night Massacre movies, and confused Nixon's special
prosecutor with an FBI director

Furthermore, I strongly disagree with the assessment that the FBI head
is "the most respected individual in all of the American government".

"I remember the Saturday Night Massacre," McCain told the mostly
European and American guests, referring to the 1973 incident when
President Nixon fired the special prosecutor looking into the
Watergate break-in, Archibald Cox.

"Probably the most respected individual in all of the American
government is probably the director of the Federal Bureau of
Investigation," McCain said.

This poster thinks the American people, generally, has a rather
negative impression of the FBI - too powerful, too intrusive, and not
particularly credible.

You don't believe me? Ask people about the FBI's role in President
Kennedy's assassination, in MLK Jr.'s assassination, in J Edgar
Hoover's role in persecuting American scientists ...

I personally also do not believe the FBI's conclusion on 9/11. I
believe that I am far from being alone since the term "truthers" has
long been around even before I started posting on these newsgroups.

Even the "voices" of the people don't respect the FBI head. Just ask
Hillary, she has blamed two people for her defeat - one of them is the
then FBI director Comey. Nor does President Trump seem to like Comey.

When neither of these two rivals "respect (in the sense of McCain)"
the office of the FBI head, millions of their followers don't either.

So, QED, McCain is just sucking up the oxygen in Washington and
wasting billions of the American taxpayer money to feed his personal
habits. One of the latest of the billions he is planning to grab from
your wallet and mine is for the alleged purpose of "containing China"!

McCain proposes $7.5 billion of new U.S. military funding for
Asia-Pacific

What a waste of my money - don't know about yours!

lo yeeOn


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/josh-rogin/wp/2017/05/10/john-mccain-on-comey-firing-there-will-be-more-shoes-to-drop/?utm_term=.68ee4eef6cdc

President Trump's sudden firing of FBI Director James B. Comey is bad
for the country and will not be the end of the Trump-Russia affair,
Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) told a group of foreign diplomats and
experts Tuesday night.

Although McCain did not directly accuse the White House of firing
Comey to thwart the FBI's investigation into the Trump campaign's
possible Russia ties, he did say that if that was the intention, it
would fail.

[Comey's dismissal may turn the anti-Trump wave into a tsunami]

"This scandal is going to go on. I've seen it before," McCain told a
meeting of the Munich Security Conference core group."

"This is a centipede. I guarantee you there will be more shoes to
drop, I can just guarantee it. There's just too much information that
we don't have that will be coming out."

He called Trump's actions against Comey "unprecedented" and said the
position of FBI director has held special meaning in American public
life dating back decades.

"I remember the Saturday Night Massacre," McCain told the mostly
European and American guests, referring to the 1973 incident when
President Nixon fired the special prosecutor looking into the
Watergate break-in, Archibald Cox.

"Probably the most respected individual in all of the American
government is probably the director of the Federal Bureau of
Investigation," McCain said. "I'm very sorry that this has happened."

"Probably the most respected individual in all of the American
government is probably the director of the Federal Bureau of
Investigation," McCain said. "I'm very sorry that this has happened."

---------

http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/332770-gop-senators-on-comey-firing-where-they-stand

Trump scored his most prominent defender on Wednesday when Senate
Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) noted that Democrats had
previously criticized Comey and supported Rod Rosenstein's deputy
attorney general nomination. "Our Democratic colleagues [are]
complaining about the removal of an FBI director whom they themselves
repeatedly and sharply criticized," McConnell said on the Senate
floor. "That removal being done by a man, Rod Rosenstein, who they
repeatedly and effusively praised.








Subject: Trump met Russian FM Sergei Lavrov and Russian Ambassador
Kislyak and the press corp who was hoping to get a glimpse of the
Russians found Henry Kissinger in the Oval Office instead

Is it McCain's another Russian shoe that would drop?

One White House correspondent, speaking on background, remarked on
the unusual nature of the entire morning: None of the press were
alerted that Kislyak would also be at the meeting until photos from
the Russian embassy emerged. At one point the pool was hastily
assembled at one point for what they thought was a photo spray
ending the meeting with Lavrov, but as the press filed into the Oval
Office they discovered instead former Secretary of State Henry
Kissinger sitting there.

A Kislyak morphing into a Kissinger behind a smiling Trump shaking
Lavrov's hand - hilarious!

lo yeeOn

Lavrov: Trump admin are business people, dialogue free from
ideological bias

Published time: 10 May, 2017 15:36 Edited time: 10 May, 2017 17:39

https://www.rt.com/news/387891-lavrov-tillerson-meeting-washington/

. . .

"We have thoroughly discussed Syria, including those ideas about
creating de-escalation zones. We have a shared understanding that this
must be a step made jointly to put an end to violence in Syria,"
Lavrov said.

Lavrov added that he and President Trump did not touch upon the
subject of Russia's alleged meddling in the US elections in 2016,
calling the media hype around the subject an "orgy".

US officials are harming their own people by saying that Russia might
have influenced the elections and is standing behind US internal
affairs, Lavrov also said.

"I think this is even humiliating for American people to hear that US
internal affairs are being governed by Russia. How can it be that such
a great nation is thinking in this way?" Lavrov said.

However, reporters apparently would not let the issue lie, repeating
the same question several times. Lavrov was compelled to repeat that
there has been no solid evidence of any meddling.

After being asked about the issue for a fourth time, Lavrov looked
somewhat annoyed as he replied that he had "already answered".
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