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McCain is really too old to be an effective senator - someone who read too many Kafkaesque stories about centipedes, watched too many Saturday Night Massacre movies, and was confused about Nixon's special prosecutor with an FBI director
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lo yeeOn
2017-05-10 21:44:59 UTC
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Furthermore, I strongly disagree with the assessment that the FBI head
is "the most respected individual in all of the American government".

"I remember the Saturday Night Massacre," McCain told the mostly
European and American guests, referring to the 1973 incident when
President Nixon fired the special prosecutor looking into the
Watergate break-in, Archibald Cox.

"Probably the most respected individual in all of the American
government is probably the director of the Federal Bureau of
Investigation," McCain said.

This poster thinks the American people, generally, has a rather
negative impression of the FBI - too powerful, too intrusive, and not
particularly credible.

You don't believe me? Ask people about the FBI's role in President
Kennedy's assassination, in MLK Jr.'s assassination, in J Edgar
Hoover's role in persecuting American scientists ...

I personally also do not believe the FBI's conclusion on 9/11. I
believe that I am far from being alone since the term "truthers" has
long been around even before I started posting on these newsgroups.

Even the "voices" of the people don't respect the FBI head. Just ask
Hillary, she has blamed two people for her defeat - one of them is the
then FBI director Comey. Nor does President Trump seem to like Comey.

When neither of these two rivals "respect (in the sense of McCain)"
the office of the FBI head, millions of their followers don't either.

So, QED, McCain is just sucking up the oxygen in Washington and
wasting billions of the American taxpayer money to feed his personal
habits. One of the latest of the billions he is planning to grab from
your wallet and mine is for the alleged purpose of "containing China"!

McCain proposes $7.5 billion of new U.S. military funding for
Asia-Pacific

What a waste of my money - don't know about yours!

lo yeeOn


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/josh-rogin/wp/2017/05/10/john-mccain-on-comey-firing-there-will-be-more-shoes-to-drop/?utm_term=.68ee4eef6cdc

President Trump's sudden firing of FBI Director James B. Comey is bad
for the country and will not be the end of the Trump-Russia affair,
Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) told a group of foreign diplomats and
experts Tuesday night.

Although McCain did not directly accuse the White House of firing
Comey to thwart the FBI's investigation into the Trump campaign's
possible Russia ties, he did say that if that was the intention, it
would fail.

[Comey's dismissal may turn the anti-Trump wave into a tsunami]

"This scandal is going to go on. I've seen it before," McCain told a
meeting of the Munich Security Conference core group."

"This is a centipede. I guarantee you there will be more shoes to
drop, I can just guarantee it. There's just too much information that
we don't have that will be coming out."

He called Trump's actions against Comey "unprecedented" and said the
position of FBI director has held special meaning in American public
life dating back decades.

"I remember the Saturday Night Massacre," McCain told the mostly
European and American guests, referring to the 1973 incident when
President Nixon fired the special prosecutor looking into the
Watergate break-in, Archibald Cox.

"Probably the most respected individual in all of the American
government is probably the director of the Federal Bureau of
Investigation," McCain said. "I'm very sorry that this has happened."

"Probably the most respected individual in all of the American
government is probably the director of the Federal Bureau of
Investigation," McCain said. "I'm very sorry that this has happened."

---------

http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/332770-gop-senators-on-comey-firing-where-they-stand

Trump scored his most prominent defender on Wednesday when Senate
Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) noted that Democrats had
previously criticized Comey and supported Rod Rosenstein's deputy
attorney general nomination. "Our Democratic colleagues [are]
complaining about the removal of an FBI director whom they themselves
repeatedly and sharply criticized," McConnell said on the Senate
floor. "That removal being done by a man, Rod Rosenstein, who they
repeatedly and effusively praised.
lo yeeOn
2017-05-11 04:18:22 UTC
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"THAAD is here to protect South Korea, why do you oppose it?" CBS's
Diaz asked.

"The only reason America deployed THAAD here is to dominate Asia,"
another [South Korean] man said. "America's presence here only
raises the threat of war."

Please know that the Koreans, from the south or the north, aren't
little copies of Red Riding Hood. They aren't stupid. There is
nothing about their country or its history that you know and they
don't know themselves. For more of my rebuttal to jdeluise's ad
hominem, please continue to read.
Post by lo yeeOn
I personally also do not believe the FBI's conclusion on 9/11. I
believe that I am far from being alone since the term "truthers" has
long been around even before I started posting on these newsgroups.
As have the moon landing deniers, holocaust deniers, etc. Your
chronology on usenet (you are a bad usenet citizen by the way) is
irrelevant.
Well, what do you know?

Jdeluise is as grumpy as McCain when Trump gives the neocons and the
Deep State guardians the finger!

You've got to wonder why?

To me and many truthers, 9/11 was only an excuse to launch the PNAC
sub-projects; certainly no official report has much verifiability.

It's pretty clear to me first of all that McCain is up to no good by
badmouthing the head of state of America in front of a bunch of
Germans at this weird "Munich Security Conference core group".

Mike Flynn can't talk with the Russian ambassador but McCain can speak
ill of the president before a bunch of foreigners? How strange!

So, McCain is exactly the no-good type that my subject line expressed
- and as a good citizen, it is my duty to use my free speech rights to
say that and I'm for peace and for making America great again.

Furthermore, by spreading an inappropriate, non-parallel comparison
between the firing of Comey with the firing of Archibald Cox, he is
guilty of smearing. The foreigners most likely didn't know that
Archibld Cox wasn't an FBI director. To a majority of Americans in
Nixon's day, firing Cox was bad but to the majority of today's
Americans, firing Comey is good - good for Trump followers and good
for Hillary's supporters, at least.

To me, and to many truthers, the FBI report does not convince.

All it did was to whip up a war fervor, giving George W Bush a blank
check to kill Muslims, and bring disaster to others (see below).

The official conclusion (re 9/11) is illogical and against physics,
about which I'll let the structural engineers and the physicists
explain with their detailed explanation accompanied with photos,
simulations, and calculations. Why should the official line on 9/11
be any more trustworthy than the official line about Iraq's
non-existent WMD was?

The PNAC embraced by George W Bush and many of his key officials as
well as by Bush's brother is about regime change in the Middle East
and containment of Russia and China.

They don't give a damn about people's lives.

They claimed Iraq had a bad guy in charge, they went in and purged all
the Baathists and made not only the lives of the Sunni Iraqis
miserable, but also the rest of the people of the former Iraq under
Saddam. This includes Christians as well, such as the ancienct
community of ASsyrian Christians. How dare Bush claim to be a
Christian? And I refer to the "former Iraq" because Kurdish leader
Barzani has told the Italians recently that Iraq no longer exists.
So, we destroyed Iraq.

And we went on to destroy Libya and Syria, and now Yemen.

Of course, we are stuck in the Afghan quagmire - a place known as
empires' graveyard, as you well know.

Yet, McCain as well as former UN ambassador Bolton who sold the Iraq
war, and former CIA director James Woolsey who told us that we must
endure decades of War on Terror, as well as the current UN ambassador
Nikki Haley are all stepping on one another's toes to inflict pain on
our Korean brothers and sisters.

Somehow, you don't see their pain, even as they have just spoken loud
and clear that they don't want our THAAD systems and they want to have
a reproachment with their northern siblings.

It was a stroke of genius, IMHO, that Trump lobbed an metaphorically
incendiary device threatening "major, major conflict" with North Korea
that would make the neocons like McCain happy while at once
galvanizing the South Korea citizens to vote in "by a landslide" a
candidate who has promised them to make peace with the North. Of
course, the Deep State is very powerful and Trump might cave and
launch a war with NK. But that is another part of the history yet to
be unfold.

But at least, if Trump wants to, he can tell the American people that
the South Koreans don't want war with their northern siblings, so what
business do we have to immiserate their lives? Even if we don't care
about Korean lives, are we ready to absorb the collapse of the South
Korean economy, which probably ranks the top ten currently? And all
the Korean refugees? Tons of them will end up here, regardless of
official policy.

And Trump can see that if he doesn't show these neocons who is the
boss, they will eventually destroy him.

And I guarantee you that if they will make Trump fulfil his "major,
major conflict" promise, it will be a "major, major" disaster for him
personally. I fervently hope that he is smarter and more courageous
than the McCain type expects him to be and hence avoid that future.

You can keep throwing some irrelevant insults at me, any time you
want. I can absorb all that, 'cause these days, the neocons are in an
existential crisis, and they are pretty grumpy, especially when they
saw Russia's Kislyak having morphed into a Henry Kissinger in the Oval
Office.

lo yeeOn

South Koreans voted for change on Tuesday. May 9, 2017, 7:29 AM
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/south-korea-election-results-north-korea-thaad-protests/

The nation opted -- by a significant margin -- for a liberal
presidential candidate who could completely alter the long-time
strategy on dealing with belligerent neighbor Kim Jong Un to the
north.

Official poll results were to be announced later Tuesday, but as exit
polling showed a landslide for Moon Jae-in, his two rivals conceded.

CBS News correspondent Adriana Diaz reports there were stark
differences between Moon and his competitors on how to contain the
growing North Korea threat, and what to do about the controversial
U.S. missile defense system known as THAAD which has been deployed in
South Korea.

Moon, who favors engagement with Pyongyang over confrontation, will be
the first liberal politician to lead the country in nearly a decade.

He could order the U.S. to remove THAAD, the missile defense system
deployed to intercept potential short- to medium-range North Korean
missiles targeting South Korea or other nearby countries. The system
was rushed in by the U.S. military just weeks ago, but was met by
angry protesters concerned it would only escalate tensions with the
North, and with China and Russia.

On the road that leads to one THAAD installation, CBS News was stopped
at a checkpoint, beyond which only military and police vehicles are
permitted.

Protesters have also come as close as they can get to the anti-missile
system to show their opposition. Buddhist demonstrators have been
camped out at the site for 50 days, praying for THAAD's removal. At a
makeshift camp down the road, demonstrators used their bodies to try
and stop traffic.

"We want to make sure this military vehicle isn't carrying any
supplies for THAAD," one man told us.

They want THAAD out -- despite repeated U.S. assurances it's here for
their benefit.

"THAAD is here to protect South Korea, why do you oppose it?" Diaz
asked.

"The only reason America deployed THAAD here is to dominate Asia,"
another man said. "America's presence here only raises the threat of
war."

THAAD's removal would deal a blow to America's military influence in
South Korea -- and a victory to China -- which fears THAAD's strong
radar system might be used by the U.S. to spy on China.

The official winner of the South Korean election will take office
first thing Wednesday morning.


Subject: McCain is really too old to be an effective senator - someone
who read too many Kafkaesque stories about centipedes, watched too
many Saturday Night Massacre movies, and confused Nixon's special
prosecutor with an FBI director

Furthermore, I strongly disagree with the assessment that the FBI head
is "the most respected individual in all of the American government".

"I remember the Saturday Night Massacre," McCain told the mostly
European and American guests, referring to the 1973 incident when
President Nixon fired the special prosecutor looking into the
Watergate break-in, Archibald Cox.

"Probably the most respected individual in all of the American
government is probably the director of the Federal Bureau of
Investigation," McCain said.

This poster thinks the American people, generally, has a rather
negative impression of the FBI - too powerful, too intrusive, and not
particularly credible.

You don't believe me? Ask people about the FBI's role in President
Kennedy's assassination, in MLK Jr.'s assassination, in J Edgar
Hoover's role in persecuting American scientists ...

I personally also do not believe the FBI's conclusion on 9/11. I
believe that I am far from being alone since the term "truthers" has
long been around even before I started posting on these newsgroups.

Even the "voices" of the people don't respect the FBI head. Just ask
Hillary, she has blamed two people for her defeat - one of them is the
then FBI director Comey. Nor does President Trump seem to like Comey.

When neither of these two rivals "respect (in the sense of McCain)"
the office of the FBI head, millions of their followers don't either.

So, QED, McCain is just sucking up the oxygen in Washington and
wasting billions of the American taxpayer money to feed his personal
habits. One of the latest of the billions he is planning to grab from
your wallet and mine is for the alleged purpose of "containing China"!

McCain proposes $7.5 billion of new U.S. military funding for
Asia-Pacific

What a waste of my money - don't know about yours!

lo yeeOn


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/josh-rogin/wp/2017/05/10/john-mccain-on-comey-firing-there-will-be-more-shoes-to-drop/?utm_term=.68ee4eef6cdc

President Trump's sudden firing of FBI Director James B. Comey is bad
for the country and will not be the end of the Trump-Russia affair,
Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) told a group of foreign diplomats and
experts Tuesday night.

Although McCain did not directly accuse the White House of firing
Comey to thwart the FBI's investigation into the Trump campaign's
possible Russia ties, he did say that if that was the intention, it
would fail.

[Comey's dismissal may turn the anti-Trump wave into a tsunami]

"This scandal is going to go on. I've seen it before," McCain told a
meeting of the Munich Security Conference core group."

"This is a centipede. I guarantee you there will be more shoes to
drop, I can just guarantee it. There's just too much information that
we don't have that will be coming out."

He called Trump's actions against Comey "unprecedented" and said the
position of FBI director has held special meaning in American public
life dating back decades.

"I remember the Saturday Night Massacre," McCain told the mostly
European and American guests, referring to the 1973 incident when
President Nixon fired the special prosecutor looking into the
Watergate break-in, Archibald Cox.

"Probably the most respected individual in all of the American
government is probably the director of the Federal Bureau of
Investigation," McCain said. "I'm very sorry that this has happened."

"Probably the most respected individual in all of the American
government is probably the director of the Federal Bureau of
Investigation," McCain said. "I'm very sorry that this has happened."

---------

http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/332770-gop-senators-on-comey-firing-where-they-stand

Trump scored his most prominent defender on Wednesday when Senate
Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) noted that Democrats had
previously criticized Comey and supported Rod Rosenstein's deputy
attorney general nomination. "Our Democratic colleagues [are]
complaining about the removal of an FBI director whom they themselves
repeatedly and sharply criticized," McConnell said on the Senate
floor. "That removal being done by a man, Rod Rosenstein, who they
repeatedly and effusively praised.








Subject: Trump met Russian FM Sergei Lavrov and Russian Ambassador
Kislyak and the press corp who was hoping to get a glimpse of the
Russians found Henry Kissinger in the Oval Office instead

Is it McCain's another Russian shoe that would drop?

One White House correspondent, speaking on background, remarked on
the unusual nature of the entire morning: None of the press were
alerted that Kislyak would also be at the meeting until photos from
the Russian embassy emerged. At one point the pool was hastily
assembled at one point for what they thought was a photo spray
ending the meeting with Lavrov, but as the press filed into the Oval
Office they discovered instead former Secretary of State Henry
Kissinger sitting there.

A Kislyak morphing into a Kissinger behind a smiling Trump shaking
Lavrov's hand - hilarious!

lo yeeOn

Lavrov: Trump admin are business people, dialogue free from
ideological bias

Published time: 10 May, 2017 15:36 Edited time: 10 May, 2017 17:39

https://www.rt.com/news/387891-lavrov-tillerson-meeting-washington/

. . .

"We have thoroughly discussed Syria, including those ideas about
creating de-escalation zones. We have a shared understanding that this
must be a step made jointly to put an end to violence in Syria,"
Lavrov said.

Lavrov added that he and President Trump did not touch upon the
subject of Russia's alleged meddling in the US elections in 2016,
calling the media hype around the subject an "orgy".

US officials are harming their own people by saying that Russia might
have influenced the elections and is standing behind US internal
affairs, Lavrov also said.

"I think this is even humiliating for American people to hear that US
internal affairs are being governed by Russia. How can it be that such
a great nation is thinking in this way?" Lavrov said.

However, reporters apparently would not let the issue lie, repeating
the same question several times. Lavrov was compelled to repeat that
there has been no solid evidence of any meddling.

After being asked about the issue for a fourth time, Lavrov looked
somewhat annoyed as he replied that he had "already answered".
lo yeeOn
2017-05-11 05:19:54 UTC
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Post by lo yeeOn
"THAAD is here to protect South Korea, why do you oppose it?" CBS's
Diaz asked.
"The only reason America deployed THAAD here is to dominate Asia,"
another [South Korean] man said. "America's presence here only
raises the threat of war."
Please know that the Koreans, from the south or the north, aren't
little copies of Red Riding Hood. They aren't stupid. There is
nothing about their country or its history that you know and they
don't know themselves.
There's been no mention of Korea in this thread until now. You are
really weird.
You're weird yourself by thinking that people don't know the two of
your are in consort to smear President Trump. From day one, jdeluise
was referring to Trump the candidate with his "rug", disregarding his
message.

Of course, the Korean thing is connected to the other things that
McCain advocates. There isn't a war that McCain doesn't like. I
don't have to mention everything in one post. But if you ignore the
original message, then it's time to hear some more of the unpatriotic
things that McCain has been doing to America.

lo yeeOn
Post by lo yeeOn
For more of my rebuttal to jdeluise's ad hominem, please continue
to read.
But if you want it to make any sense you'll need to smoke a lot of weed.
Wow.
Of course, I made sense and I always try my best to make sense. But
if President Trump invited Lavrov to meet him at the Oval Office and
the NYT called it a meeting at an awkward time, then it would be just
like you to throw that kind of ad hominem at me. Just because you
said "Wow" doesn't mean that message wasn't clear.

But with respect to your tactics, I am used to it. Don't forget that
you were trying to incite people to physically harm me because in my
posts, I asked why hundreds of thousands of Iraqis should die just
because we said their president was bad. Do you want me to repost
your violent message?

And what kind of person are you, really, when the politicians are
threatening the extinction of the Korean people and you are attacking
the messenger who object to their callous act?

lo yeeOn

PS: My original reply was misterioiusly gone, leaving bmoore's ad
hominem - so weird! So, this was that post that got deleted:

Subject: Re: McCain is really too old to be an effective senator -
someone who read too many Kafkaesque stories about centipedes, watched
too many Saturday Night Massacre movies, and confused Nixon's special
prosecutor with an FBI director

"THAAD is here to protect South Korea, why do you oppose it?" CBS's
Diaz asked.

"The only reason America deployed THAAD here is to dominate Asia,"
another [South Korean] man said. "America's presence here only
raises the threat of war."

Please know that the Koreans, from the south or the north, aren't
little copies of Red Riding Hood. They aren't stupid. There is
nothing about their country or its history that you know and they
don't know themselves. For more of my rebuttal to jdeluise's ad
hominem, please continue to read.
Post by lo yeeOn
I personally also do not believe the FBI's conclusion on 9/11. I
believe that I am far from being alone since the term "truthers" has
long been around even before I started posting on these newsgroups.
As have the moon landing deniers, holocaust deniers, etc. Your
chronology on usenet (you are a bad usenet citizen by the way) is
irrelevant.
Well, what do you know?

Jdeluise is as grumpy as McCain when Trump gives the neocons and the
Deep State guardians the finger!

You've got to wonder why?

To me and many truthers, 9/11 was only an excuse to launch the PNAC
sub-projects; certainly no official report has much verifiability.

It's pretty clear to me first of all that McCain is up to no good by
badmouthing the head of state of America in front of a bunch of
Germans at this weird "Munich Security Conference core group".

Mike Flynn can't talk with the Russian ambassador but McCain can speak
ill of the president before a bunch of foreigners? How strange!

So, McCain is exactly the no-good type that my subject line expressed
- and as a good citizen, it is my duty to use my free speech rights to
say that and I'm for peace and for making America great again.

Furthermore, by spreading an inappropriate, non-parallel comparison
between the firing of Comey with the firing of Archibald Cox, he is
guilty of smearing. The foreigners most likely didn't know that
Archibld Cox wasn't an FBI director. To a majority of Americans in
Nixon's day, firing Cox was bad but to the majority of today's
Americans, firing Comey is good - good for Trump followers and good
for Hillary's supporters, at least.

To me, and to many truthers, the FBI report does not convince.

All it did was to whip up a war fervor, giving George W Bush a blank
check to kill Muslims, and bring disaster to others (see below).

The official conclusion (re 9/11) is illogical and against physics,
about which I'll let the structural engineers and the physicists
explain with their detailed explanation accompanied with photos,
simulations, and calculations. Why should the official line on 9/11
be any more trustworthy than the official line about Iraq's
non-existent WMD was?

The PNAC embraced by George W Bush and many of his key officials as
well as by Bush's brother is about regime change in the Middle East
and containment of Russia and China.

They don't give a damn about people's lives.

They claimed Iraq had a bad guy in charge, they went in and purged all
the Baathists and made not only the lives of the Sunni Iraqis
miserable, but also the rest of the people of the former Iraq under
Saddam. This includes Christians as well, such as the ancienct
community of ASsyrian Christians. How dare Bush claim to be a
Christian? And I refer to the "former Iraq" because Kurdish leader
Barzani has told the Italians recently that Iraq no longer exists.
So, we destroyed Iraq.

And we went on to destroy Libya and Syria, and now Yemen.

Of course, we are stuck in the Afghan quagmire - a place known as
empires' graveyard, as you well know.

Yet, McCain as well as former UN ambassador Bolton who sold the Iraq
war, and former CIA director James Woolsey who told us that we must
endure decades of War on Terror, as well as the current UN ambassador
Nikki Haley are all stepping on one another's toes to inflict pain on
our Korean brothers and sisters.

Somehow, you don't see their pain, even as they have just spoken loud
and clear that they don't want our THAAD systems and they want to have
a reproachment with their northern siblings.

It was a stroke of genius, IMHO, that Trump lobbed an metaphorically
incendiary device threatening "major, major conflict" with North Korea
that would make the neocons like McCain happy while at once
galvanizing the South Korea citizens to vote in "by a landslide" a
candidate who has promised them to make peace with the North. Of
course, the Deep State is very powerful and Trump might cave and
launch a war with NK. But that is another part of the history yet to
be unfold.

But at least, if Trump wants to, he can tell the American people that
the South Koreans don't want war with their northern siblings, so what
business do we have to immiserate their lives? Even if we don't care
about Korean lives, are we ready to absorb the collapse of the South
Korean economy, which probably ranks the top ten currently? And all
the Korean refugees? Tons of them will end up here, regardless of
official policy.

And Trump can see that if he doesn't show these neocons who is the
boss, they will eventually destroy him.

And I guarantee you that if they will make Trump fulfil his "major,
major conflict" promise, it will be a "major, major" disaster for him
personally. I fervently hope that he is smarter and more courageous
than the McCain type expects him to be and hence avoid that future.

You can keep throwing some irrelevant insults at me, any time you
want. I can absorb all that, 'cause these days, the neocons are in an
existential crisis, and they are pretty grumpy, especially when they
saw Russia's Kislyak having morphed into a Henry Kissinger in the Oval
Office.

lo yeeOn

South Koreans voted for change on Tuesday. May 9, 2017, 7:29 AM
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/south-korea-election-results-north-korea-thaad-protests/

The nation opted -- by a significant margin -- for a liberal
presidential candidate who could completely alter the long-time
strategy on dealing with belligerent neighbor Kim Jong Un to the
north.

Official poll results were to be announced later Tuesday, but as exit
polling showed a landslide for Moon Jae-in, his two rivals conceded.

CBS News correspondent Adriana Diaz reports there were stark
differences between Moon and his competitors on how to contain the
growing North Korea threat, and what to do about the controversial
U.S. missile defense system known as THAAD which has been deployed in
South Korea.

Moon, who favors engagement with Pyongyang over confrontation, will be
the first liberal politician to lead the country in nearly a decade.

He could order the U.S. to remove THAAD, the missile defense system
deployed to intercept potential short- to medium-range North Korean
missiles targeting South Korea or other nearby countries. The system
was rushed in by the U.S. military just weeks ago, but was met by
angry protesters concerned it would only escalate tensions with the
North, and with China and Russia.

On the road that leads to one THAAD installation, CBS News was stopped
at a checkpoint, beyond which only military and police vehicles are
permitted.

Protesters have also come as close as they can get to the anti-missile
system to show their opposition. Buddhist demonstrators have been
camped out at the site for 50 days, praying for THAAD's removal. At a
makeshift camp down the road, demonstrators used their bodies to try
and stop traffic.

"We want to make sure this military vehicle isn't carrying any
supplies for THAAD," one man told us.

They want THAAD out -- despite repeated U.S. assurances it's here for
their benefit.

"THAAD is here to protect South Korea, why do you oppose it?" Diaz
asked.

"The only reason America deployed THAAD here is to dominate Asia,"
another man said. "America's presence here only raises the threat of
war."

THAAD's removal would deal a blow to America's military influence in
South Korea -- and a victory to China -- which fears THAAD's strong
radar system might be used by the U.S. to spy on China.

The official winner of the South Korean election will take office
first thing Wednesday morning.


Subject: McCain is really too old to be an effective senator - someone
who read too many Kafkaesque stories about centipedes, watched too
many Saturday Night Massacre movies, and confused Nixon's special
prosecutor with an FBI director

Furthermore, I strongly disagree with the assessment that the FBI head
is "the most respected individual in all of the American government".

"I remember the Saturday Night Massacre," McCain told the mostly
European and American guests, referring to the 1973 incident when
President Nixon fired the special prosecutor looking into the
Watergate break-in, Archibald Cox.

"Probably the most respected individual in all of the American
government is probably the director of the Federal Bureau of
Investigation," McCain said.

This poster thinks the American people, generally, has a rather
negative impression of the FBI - too powerful, too intrusive, and not
particularly credible.

You don't believe me? Ask people about the FBI's role in President
Kennedy's assassination, in MLK Jr.'s assassination, in J Edgar
Hoover's role in persecuting American scientists ...

I personally also do not believe the FBI's conclusion on 9/11. I
believe that I am far from being alone since the term "truthers" has
long been around even before I started posting on these newsgroups.

Even the "voices" of the people don't respect the FBI head. Just ask
Hillary, she has blamed two people for her defeat - one of them is the
then FBI director Comey. Nor does President Trump seem to like Comey.

When neither of these two rivals "respect (in the sense of McCain)"
the office of the FBI head, millions of their followers don't either.

So, QED, McCain is just sucking up the oxygen in Washington and
wasting billions of the American taxpayer money to feed his personal
habits. One of the latest of the billions he is planning to grab from
your wallet and mine is for the alleged purpose of "containing China"!

McCain proposes $7.5 billion of new U.S. military funding for
Asia-Pacific

What a waste of my money - don't know about yours!

lo yeeOn


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/josh-rogin/wp/2017/05/10/john-mccain-on-comey-firing-there-will-be-more-shoes-to-drop/?utm_term=.68ee4eef6cdc

President Trump's sudden firing of FBI Director James B. Comey is bad
for the country and will not be the end of the Trump-Russia affair,
Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) told a group of foreign diplomats and
experts Tuesday night.

Although McCain did not directly accuse the White House of firing
Comey to thwart the FBI's investigation into the Trump campaign's
possible Russia ties, he did say that if that was the intention, it
would fail.

[Comey's dismissal may turn the anti-Trump wave into a tsunami]

"This scandal is going to go on. I've seen it before," McCain told a
meeting of the Munich Security Conference core group."

"This is a centipede. I guarantee you there will be more shoes to
drop, I can just guarantee it. There's just too much information that
we don't have that will be coming out."

He called Trump's actions against Comey "unprecedented" and said the
position of FBI director has held special meaning in American public
life dating back decades.

"I remember the Saturday Night Massacre," McCain told the mostly
European and American guests, referring to the 1973 incident when
President Nixon fired the special prosecutor looking into the
Watergate break-in, Archibald Cox.

"Probably the most respected individual in all of the American
government is probably the director of the Federal Bureau of
Investigation," McCain said. "I'm very sorry that this has happened."

"Probably the most respected individual in all of the American
government is probably the director of the Federal Bureau of
Investigation," McCain said. "I'm very sorry that this has happened."

---------

http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/332770-gop-senators-on-comey-firing-where-they-stand

Trump scored his most prominent defender on Wednesday when Senate
Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) noted that Democrats had
previously criticized Comey and supported Rod Rosenstein's deputy
attorney general nomination. "Our Democratic colleagues [are]
complaining about the removal of an FBI director whom they themselves
repeatedly and sharply criticized," McConnell said on the Senate
floor. "That removal being done by a man, Rod Rosenstein, who they
repeatedly and effusively praised.








Subject: Trump met Russian FM Sergei Lavrov and Russian Ambassador
Kislyak and the press corp who was hoping to get a glimpse of the
Russians found Henry Kissinger in the Oval Office instead

Is it McCain's another Russian shoe that would drop?

One White House correspondent, speaking on background, remarked on
the unusual nature of the entire morning: None of the press were
alerted that Kislyak would also be at the meeting until photos from
the Russian embassy emerged. At one point the pool was hastily
assembled at one point for what they thought was a photo spray
ending the meeting with Lavrov, but as the press filed into the Oval
Office they discovered instead former Secretary of State Henry
Kissinger sitting there.

A Kislyak morphing into a Kissinger behind a smiling Trump shaking
Lavrov's hand - hilarious!

lo yeeOn

Lavrov: Trump admin are business people, dialogue free from
ideological bias

Published time: 10 May, 2017 15:36 Edited time: 10 May, 2017 17:39

https://www.rt.com/news/387891-lavrov-tillerson-meeting-washington/

. . .

"We have thoroughly discussed Syria, including those ideas about
creating de-escalation zones. We have a shared understanding that this
must be a step made jointly to put an end to violence in Syria,"
Lavrov said.

Lavrov added that he and President Trump did not touch upon the
subject of Russia's alleged meddling in the US elections in 2016,
calling the media hype around the subject an "orgy".

US officials are harming their own people by saying that Russia might
have influenced the elections and is standing behind US internal
affairs, Lavrov also said.

"I think this is even humiliating for American people to hear that US
internal affairs are being governed by Russia. How can it be that such
a great nation is thinking in this way?" Lavrov said.

However, reporters apparently would not let the issue lie, repeating
the same question several times. Lavrov was compelled to repeat that
there has been no solid evidence of any meddling.

After being asked about the issue for a fourth time, Lavrov looked
somewhat annoyed as he replied that he had "already answered".
lo yeeOn
2017-07-06 05:24:31 UTC
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Post by lo yeeOn
Post by lo yeeOn
"THAAD is here to protect South Korea, why do you oppose it?" CBS's
Diaz asked.
"The only reason America deployed THAAD here is to dominate Asia,"
another [South Korean] man said. "America's presence here only
raises the threat of war."
Please know that the Koreans, from the south or the north, aren't
little copies of Red Riding Hood. They aren't stupid. There is
nothing about their country or its history that you know and they
don't know themselves.
There's been no mention of Korea in this thread until now. You are
really weird.
You're weird yourself by thinking that people don't know the two of
your are in consort to smear President Trump. From day one, jdeluise
was referring to Trump the candidate with his "rug", disregarding his
message.
Are you an educated person? You don't sound like one.
That's ok because you have no credibility. But rst0wxyz, one of the
several in the soc.culture.china group you constantly accused of this
or that, has said that you have a big Ph.D. in control engineering.

Now you should ask yourself do you sound like someone who has an
education - especially the kind you purportedly have - shouldn't you?

Frankly, enough people were listening to Trump's message and voted for
him. So, I don't see how talking about people diregarding his message
and talking superficial things about him like his fragile hair should
cause you to raise the question about my level of education.

But that's precise what I kept hearing his detractors such as j'dluise
was doing. J'dluise also denied that the Chechen kids who caused
havoc one year at the Boston marathon was terrorizing for no reason,
that they were not radicalized, essentially that causality didn't have
a role in the terrorism, despite court testimonies which attested to
their being gentle kids when they were growing up.

As for my education, I never talk about it. It is better not to talk
about it but let my messages do the talking. And I know I work hard
to make my messages credible. And I know there are people out there
who respect my posts, never mind jdeluise and you, who must have done
something for my message to disappear. Enough said.

I'm too busy tonight to respond to your ad hominems. So, I'll see who
things develop.

But since your ad hominem brought me back here tonight and since you
are the one who is more vocal demonizing the "crazy Kims, Saddam, and
Gaddafi", let me post something from a Korean who want the
U.S. government to make the right choice of signing a peace treaty
with NK and taking our troops home.

lo yeeOn

https://www.rt.com/op-edge/395334-north-korea-icbm-us/

The most sensible path, at this point, is for the US to end the Korean
War, sign a peace treaty with North Korea, and withdraw its troops
from the Korean peninsula, Hyun Lee, a member of the National Campaign
to End the Korean War, told RT.

. . .

RT: US Secretary of State Rex Tillerson said North Korea launching an
intercontinental ballistic missile is a new escalation of the threat
against the US. Is Pyongyang's new launch a game changer?

HL: Yes, but not because it will attack the US; Washington doesn't
truly believe that. But more because this changes the US strategic
calculus in the region. North Korea now has the capacity to target the
heart of the US Pacific Command, which is located in Hawaii, as well
as the West Coast of the US continent. This means US policy of
basically intimidating countries through military might and collapsing
uncooperative regimes as it has done in the Middle East for decades:
this is not going to work vis-a-vis North Korea. And if this
encourages other countries around the world to follow the example of
North Korea, it threatens the nuclear non-proliferation regime, which
is essentially intended to ensure that only the prominent five
countries of the UN Security Council, and its allies, like Israel, can
have nuclear weapons and no one else. North Korea is obviously not a
party to the NPT; it is not a US ally but now appears to have the
capability to threaten a nuclear attack on the US. This is why this
missile test is a big deal and it makes Washington very nervous. If
the US wants North Korea to stop, then the path is very clear - it has
to stop its provocations and its military exercises and then resolve
the conflict fundamentally by signing a peace treaty to end the
ongoing state of war between the US and North Korea.

RT: Is there an end to this vicious circle where opposite sides just
fire missiles trying to up the ante on each other?

HL: I think there is a clear path: North Korea, we should note, has
repeatedly offered to freeze its own nuclear and missile program in
exchange for a freeze of US provocation, including the very
provocative military exercises. I think the most sensible path at this
point is for the US to end the Korean War, sign a peace treaty with
North Korea, finally withdraw its troops from the Korean peninsula.
That is the only way to put the nuclear crisis to rest. Washington
knows that this is the answer. The only thing that is standing in the
way is, not surprisingly, the interest of the military-industrial
complex, which feeds off of perpetual war.

"If you are the Pentagon, and you are Donald Trump, you are not
about to pass up on the opportunity to fire off a few of the guns
and show the people what they are spending their money on. The North
Korea thing is filled with a lot of theatrics... What Russia and
China basically said is that North Korea has to stop its nuclear
program, and the US and South Korea have to stop their war games,
and we have to sit down and begin the negotiations. - Jim W. Dean,
managing editor at Veterans Today
Post by lo yeeOn
Of course, the Korean thing is connected to the other things that
McCain advocates. There isn't a war that McCain doesn't like. I
don't have to mention everything in one post. But if you ignore the
original message, then it's time to hear some more of the unpatriotic
things that McCain has been doing to America.
lo yeeOn
Post by lo yeeOn
For more of my rebuttal to jdeluise's ad hominem, please continue
to read.
But if you want it to make any sense you'll need to smoke a lot of weed.
Wow.
Of course, I made sense and I always try my best to make sense. But
if President Trump invited Lavrov to meet him at the Oval Office and
the NYT called it a meeting at an awkward time, then it would be just
like you to throw that kind of ad hominem at me. Just because you
said "Wow" doesn't mean that message wasn't clear.
But with respect to your tactics, I am used to it. Don't forget that
you were trying to incite people to physically harm me because in my
posts, I asked why hundreds of thousands of Iraqis should die just
because we said their president was bad. Do you want me to repost
your violent message?
All in your tiny mind.
Post by lo yeeOn
And what kind of person are you, really, when the politicians are
threatening the extinction of the Korean people and you are attacking
the messenger who object to their callous act?
Again, there was no mention of Korea, fool.
Post by lo yeeOn
lo yeeOn
PS: My original reply was misterioiusly gone, leaving bmoore's ad
Yeah, my associates in the deep state got rid of it.
What a maroon.
Post by lo yeeOn
Subject: Re: McCain is really too old to be an effective senator -
someone who read too many Kafkaesque stories about centipedes, watched
too many Saturday Night Massacre movies, and confused Nixon's special
prosecutor with an FBI director
"THAAD is here to protect South Korea, why do you oppose it?" CBS's
Diaz asked.
"The only reason America deployed THAAD here is to dominate Asia,"
another [South Korean] man said. "America's presence here only
raises the threat of war."
Please know that the Koreans, from the south or the north, aren't
little copies of Red Riding Hood. They aren't stupid. There is
nothing about their country or its history that you know and they
don't know themselves. For more of my rebuttal to jdeluise's ad
hominem, please continue to read.
Post by lo yeeOn
I personally also do not believe the FBI's conclusion on 9/11. I
believe that I am far from being alone since the term "truthers" has
long been around even before I started posting on these newsgroups.
As have the moon landing deniers, holocaust deniers, etc. Your
chronology on usenet (you are a bad usenet citizen by the way) is
irrelevant.
Well, what do you know?
Jdeluise is as grumpy as McCain when Trump gives the neocons and the
Deep State guardians the finger!
You've got to wonder why?
To me and many truthers, 9/11 was only an excuse to launch the PNAC
sub-projects; certainly no official report has much verifiability.
It's pretty clear to me first of all that McCain is up to no good by
badmouthing the head of state of America in front of a bunch of
Germans at this weird "Munich Security Conference core group".
Mike Flynn can't talk with the Russian ambassador but McCain can speak
ill of the president before a bunch of foreigners? How strange!
So, McCain is exactly the no-good type that my subject line expressed
- and as a good citizen, it is my duty to use my free speech rights to
say that and I'm for peace and for making America great again.
Furthermore, by spreading an inappropriate, non-parallel comparison
between the firing of Comey with the firing of Archibald Cox, he is
guilty of smearing. The foreigners most likely didn't know that
Archibld Cox wasn't an FBI director. To a majority of Americans in
Nixon's day, firing Cox was bad but to the majority of today's
Americans, firing Comey is good - good for Trump followers and good
for Hillary's supporters, at least.
To me, and to many truthers, the FBI report does not convince.
All it did was to whip up a war fervor, giving George W Bush a blank
check to kill Muslims, and bring disaster to others (see below).
The official conclusion (re 9/11) is illogical and against physics,
about which I'll let the structural engineers and the physicists
explain with their detailed explanation accompanied with photos,
simulations, and calculations. Why should the official line on 9/11
be any more trustworthy than the official line about Iraq's
non-existent WMD was?
The PNAC embraced by George W Bush and many of his key officials as
well as by Bush's brother is about regime change in the Middle East
and containment of Russia and China.
They don't give a damn about people's lives.
They claimed Iraq had a bad guy in charge, they went in and purged all
the Baathists and made not only the lives of the Sunni Iraqis
miserable, but also the rest of the people of the former Iraq under
Saddam. This includes Christians as well, such as the ancienct
community of ASsyrian Christians. How dare Bush claim to be a
Christian? And I refer to the "former Iraq" because Kurdish leader
Barzani has told the Italians recently that Iraq no longer exists.
So, we destroyed Iraq.
And we went on to destroy Libya and Syria, and now Yemen.
Of course, we are stuck in the Afghan quagmire - a place known as
empires' graveyard, as you well know.
Yet, McCain as well as former UN ambassador Bolton who sold the Iraq
war, and former CIA director James Woolsey who told us that we must
endure decades of War on Terror, as well as the current UN ambassador
Nikki Haley are all stepping on one another's toes to inflict pain on
our Korean brothers and sisters.
Somehow, you don't see their pain, even as they have just spoken loud
and clear that they don't want our THAAD systems and they want to have
a reproachment with their northern siblings.
It was a stroke of genius, IMHO, that Trump lobbed an metaphorically
incendiary device threatening "major, major conflict" with North Korea
that would make the neocons like McCain happy while at once
galvanizing the South Korea citizens to vote in "by a landslide" a
candidate who has promised them to make peace with the North. Of
course, the Deep State is very powerful and Trump might cave and
launch a war with NK. But that is another part of the history yet to
be unfold.
But at least, if Trump wants to, he can tell the American people that
the South Koreans don't want war with their northern siblings, so what
business do we have to immiserate their lives? Even if we don't care
about Korean lives, are we ready to absorb the collapse of the South
Korean economy, which probably ranks the top ten currently? And all
the Korean refugees? Tons of them will end up here, regardless of
official policy.
And Trump can see that if he doesn't show these neocons who is the
boss, they will eventually destroy him.
And I guarantee you that if they will make Trump fulfil his "major,
major conflict" promise, it will be a "major, major" disaster for him
personally. I fervently hope that he is smarter and more courageous
than the McCain type expects him to be and hence avoid that future.
You can keep throwing some irrelevant insults at me, any time you
want. I can absorb all that, 'cause these days, the neocons are in an
existential crisis, and they are pretty grumpy, especially when they
saw Russia's Kislyak having morphed into a Henry Kissinger in the Oval
Office.
lo yeeOn
South Koreans voted for change on Tuesday. May 9, 2017, 7:29 AM
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/south-korea-election-results-north-korea-thaad-protests/
Post by lo yeeOn
The nation opted -- by a significant margin -- for a liberal
presidential candidate who could completely alter the long-time
strategy on dealing with belligerent neighbor Kim Jong Un to the
north.
Official poll results were to be announced later Tuesday, but as exit
polling showed a landslide for Moon Jae-in, his two rivals conceded.
CBS News correspondent Adriana Diaz reports there were stark
differences between Moon and his competitors on how to contain the
growing North Korea threat, and what to do about the controversial
U.S. missile defense system known as THAAD which has been deployed in
South Korea.
Moon, who favors engagement with Pyongyang over confrontation, will be
the first liberal politician to lead the country in nearly a decade.
He could order the U.S. to remove THAAD, the missile defense system
deployed to intercept potential short- to medium-range North Korean
missiles targeting South Korea or other nearby countries. The system
was rushed in by the U.S. military just weeks ago, but was met by
angry protesters concerned it would only escalate tensions with the
North, and with China and Russia.
On the road that leads to one THAAD installation, CBS News was stopped
at a checkpoint, beyond which only military and police vehicles are
permitted.
Protesters have also come as close as they can get to the anti-missile
system to show their opposition. Buddhist demonstrators have been
camped out at the site for 50 days, praying for THAAD's removal. At a
makeshift camp down the road, demonstrators used their bodies to try
and stop traffic.
"We want to make sure this military vehicle isn't carrying any
supplies for THAAD," one man told us.
They want THAAD out -- despite repeated U.S. assurances it's here for
their benefit.
"THAAD is here to protect South Korea, why do you oppose it?" Diaz
asked.
"The only reason America deployed THAAD here is to dominate Asia,"
another man said. "America's presence here only raises the threat of
war."
THAAD's removal would deal a blow to America's military influence in
South Korea -- and a victory to China -- which fears THAAD's strong
radar system might be used by the U.S. to spy on China.
The official winner of the South Korean election will take office
first thing Wednesday morning.
Subject: McCain is really too old to be an effective senator - someone
who read too many Kafkaesque stories about centipedes, watched too
many Saturday Night Massacre movies, and confused Nixon's special
prosecutor with an FBI director
Furthermore, I strongly disagree with the assessment that the FBI head
is "the most respected individual in all of the American government".
"I remember the Saturday Night Massacre," McCain told the mostly
European and American guests, referring to the 1973 incident when
President Nixon fired the special prosecutor looking into the
Watergate break-in, Archibald Cox.
"Probably the most respected individual in all of the American
government is probably the director of the Federal Bureau of
Investigation," McCain said.
This poster thinks the American people, generally, has a rather
negative impression of the FBI - too powerful, too intrusive, and not
particularly credible.
You don't believe me? Ask people about the FBI's role in President
Kennedy's assassination, in MLK Jr.'s assassination, in J Edgar
Hoover's role in persecuting American scientists ...
I personally also do not believe the FBI's conclusion on 9/11. I
believe that I am far from being alone since the term "truthers" has
long been around even before I started posting on these newsgroups.
Even the "voices" of the people don't respect the FBI head. Just ask
Hillary, she has blamed two people for her defeat - one of them is the
then FBI director Comey. Nor does President Trump seem to like Comey.
When neither of these two rivals "respect (in the sense of McCain)"
the office of the FBI head, millions of their followers don't either.
So, QED, McCain is just sucking up the oxygen in Washington and
wasting billions of the American taxpayer money to feed his personal
habits. One of the latest of the billions he is planning to grab from
your wallet and mine is for the alleged purpose of "containing China"!
McCain proposes $7.5 billion of new U.S. military funding for
Asia-Pacific
What a waste of my money - don't know about yours!
lo yeeOn
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/josh-rogin/wp/2017/05/10/john-mccain-on-comey-firing-there-will-be-more-shoes-to-drop/?utm_term=.68ee4eef6cdc
Post by lo yeeOn
President Trump's sudden firing of FBI Director James B. Comey is bad
for the country and will not be the end of the Trump-Russia affair,
Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) told a group of foreign diplomats and
experts Tuesday night.
Although McCain did not directly accuse the White House of firing
Comey to thwart the FBI's investigation into the Trump campaign's
possible Russia ties, he did say that if that was the intention, it
would fail.
[Comey's dismissal may turn the anti-Trump wave into a tsunami]
"This scandal is going to go on. I've seen it before," McCain told a
meeting of the Munich Security Conference core group."
"This is a centipede. I guarantee you there will be more shoes to
drop, I can just guarantee it. There's just too much information that
we don't have that will be coming out."
He called Trump's actions against Comey "unprecedented" and said the
position of FBI director has held special meaning in American public
life dating back decades.
"I remember the Saturday Night Massacre," McCain told the mostly
European and American guests, referring to the 1973 incident when
President Nixon fired the special prosecutor looking into the
Watergate break-in, Archibald Cox.
"Probably the most respected individual in all of the American
government is probably the director of the Federal Bureau of
Investigation," McCain said. "I'm very sorry that this has happened."
"Probably the most respected individual in all of the American
government is probably the director of the Federal Bureau of
Investigation," McCain said. "I'm very sorry that this has happened."
---------
http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/332770-gop-senators-on-comey-firing-where-they-stand
Post by lo yeeOn
Trump scored his most prominent defender on Wednesday when Senate
Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) noted that Democrats had
previously criticized Comey and supported Rod Rosenstein's deputy
attorney general nomination. "Our Democratic colleagues [are]
complaining about the removal of an FBI director whom they themselves
repeatedly and sharply criticized," McConnell said on the Senate
floor. "That removal being done by a man, Rod Rosenstein, who they
repeatedly and effusively praised.
Subject: Trump met Russian FM Sergei Lavrov and Russian Ambassador
Kislyak and the press corp who was hoping to get a glimpse of the
Russians found Henry Kissinger in the Oval Office instead
Is it McCain's another Russian shoe that would drop?
One White House correspondent, speaking on background, remarked on
the unusual nature of the entire morning: None of the press were
alerted that Kislyak would also be at the meeting until photos from
the Russian embassy emerged. At one point the pool was hastily
assembled at one point for what they thought was a photo spray
ending the meeting with Lavrov, but as the press filed into the Oval
Office they discovered instead former Secretary of State Henry
Kissinger sitting there.
A Kislyak morphing into a Kissinger behind a smiling Trump shaking
Lavrov's hand - hilarious!
lo yeeOn
Lavrov: Trump admin are business people, dialogue free from
ideological bias
Published time: 10 May, 2017 15:36 Edited time: 10 May, 2017 17:39
https://www.rt.com/news/387891-lavrov-tillerson-meeting-washington/
. . .
"We have thoroughly discussed Syria, including those ideas about
creating de-escalation zones. We have a shared understanding that this
must be a step made jointly to put an end to violence in Syria,"
Lavrov said.
Lavrov added that he and President Trump did not touch upon the
subject of Russia's alleged meddling in the US elections in 2016,
calling the media hype around the subject an "orgy".
US officials are harming their own people by saying that Russia might
have influenced the elections and is standing behind US internal
affairs, Lavrov also said.
"I think this is even humiliating for American people to hear that US
internal affairs are being governed by Russia. How can it be that such
a great nation is thinking in this way?" Lavrov said.
However, reporters apparently would not let the issue lie, repeating
the same question several times. Lavrov was compelled to repeat that
there has been no solid evidence of any meddling.
After being asked about the issue for a fourth time, Lavrov looked
somewhat annoyed as he replied that he had "already answered".
lo yeeOn
2017-05-11 04:55:43 UTC
Permalink
Raw Message
"THAAD is here to protect South Korea, why do you oppose it?" CBS's
Diaz asked.

"The only reason America deployed THAAD here is to dominate Asia,"
another [South Korean] man said. "America's presence here only
raises the threat of war."

Please know that the Koreans, from the south or the north, aren't
little copies of Red Riding Hood. They aren't stupid. There is
nothing about their country or its history that you know and they
don't know themselves. For more of my rebuttal to jdeluise's ad
hominem, please continue to read.
Post by lo yeeOn
I personally also do not believe the FBI's conclusion on 9/11. I
believe that I am far from being alone since the term "truthers" has
long been around even before I started posting on these newsgroups.
As have the moon landing deniers, holocaust deniers, etc. Your
chronology on usenet (you are a bad usenet citizen by the way) is
irrelevant.
Well, what do you know?

Jdeluise is as grumpy as McCain when Trump gives the neocons and the
Deep State guardians the finger!

You've got to wonder why?

To me and many truthers, 9/11 was only an excuse to launch the PNAC
sub-projects; certainly no official report has much verifiability.

It's pretty clear to me first of all that McCain is up to no good by
badmouthing the head of state of America in front of a bunch of
Germans at this weird "Munich Security Conference core group".

Mike Flynn can't talk with the Russian ambassador but McCain can speak
ill of the president before a bunch of foreigners? How strange!

So, McCain is exactly the no-good type that my subject line expressed
- and as a good citizen, it is my duty to use my free speech rights to
say that and I'm for peace and for making America great again.

Furthermore, by spreading an inappropriate, non-parallel comparison
between the firing of Comey with the firing of Archibald Cox, he is
guilty of smearing. The foreigners most likely didn't know that
Archibld Cox wasn't an FBI director. To a majority of Americans in
Nixon's day, firing Cox was bad but to the majority of today's
Americans, firing Comey is good - good for Trump followers and good
for Hillary's supporters, at least.

To me, and to many truthers, the FBI report does not convince.

All it did was to whip up a war fervor, giving George W Bush a blank
check to kill Muslims, and bring disaster to others (see below).

The official conclusion (re 9/11) is illogical and against physics,
about which I'll let the structural engineers and the physicists
explain with their detailed explanation accompanied with photos,
simulations, and calculations. Why should the official line on 9/11
be any more trustworthy than the official line about Iraq's
non-existent WMD was?

The PNAC embraced by George W Bush and many of his key officials as
well as by Bush's brother is about regime change in the Middle East
and containment of Russia and China.

They don't give a damn about people's lives.

They claimed Iraq had a bad guy in charge, they went in and purged all
the Baathists and made not only the lives of the Sunni Iraqis
miserable, but also the rest of the people of the former Iraq under
Saddam. This includes Christians as well, such as the ancienct
community of ASsyrian Christians. How dare Bush claim to be a
Christian? And I refer to the "former Iraq" because Kurdish leader
Barzani has told the Italians recently that Iraq no longer exists.
So, we destroyed Iraq.

And we went on to destroy Libya and Syria, and now Yemen.

Of course, we are stuck in the Afghan quagmire - a place known as
empires' graveyard, as you well know.

Yet, McCain as well as former UN ambassador Bolton who sold the Iraq
war, and former CIA director James Woolsey who told us that we must
endure decades of War on Terror, as well as the current UN ambassador
Nikki Haley are all stepping on one another's toes to inflict pain on
our Korean brothers and sisters.

Somehow, you don't see their pain, even as they have just spoken loud
and clear that they don't want our THAAD systems and they want to have
a reproachment with their northern siblings.

It was a stroke of genius, IMHO, that Trump lobbed an metaphorically
incendiary device threatening "major, major conflict" with North Korea
that would make the neocons like McCain happy while at once
galvanizing the South Korea citizens to vote in "by a landslide" a
candidate who has promised them to make peace with the North. Of
course, the Deep State is very powerful and Trump might cave and
launch a war with NK. But that is another part of the history yet to
be unfold.

But at least, if Trump wants to, he can tell the American people that
the South Koreans don't want war with their northern siblings, so what
business do we have to immiserate their lives? Even if we don't care
about Korean lives, are we ready to absorb the collapse of the South
Korean economy, which probably ranks the top ten currently? And all
the Korean refugees? Tons of them will end up here, regardless of
official policy.

And Trump can see that if he doesn't show these neocons who is the
boss, they will eventually destroy him.

And I guarantee you that if they will make Trump fulfil his "major,
major conflict" promise, it will be a "major, major" disaster for him
personally. I fervently hope that he is smarter and more courageous
than the McCain type expects him to be and hence avoid that future.

You can keep throwing some irrelevant insults at me, any time you
want. I can absorb all that, 'cause these days, the neocons are in an
existential crisis, and they are pretty grumpy, especially when they
saw Russia's Kislyak having morphed into a Henry Kissinger in the Oval
Office.

lo yeeOn

South Koreans voted for change on Tuesday. May 9, 2017, 7:29 AM
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/south-korea-election-results-north-korea-thaad-protests/

The nation opted -- by a significant margin -- for a liberal
presidential candidate who could completely alter the long-time
strategy on dealing with belligerent neighbor Kim Jong Un to the
north.

Official poll results were to be announced later Tuesday, but as exit
polling showed a landslide for Moon Jae-in, his two rivals conceded.

CBS News correspondent Adriana Diaz reports there were stark
differences between Moon and his competitors on how to contain the
growing North Korea threat, and what to do about the controversial
U.S. missile defense system known as THAAD which has been deployed in
South Korea.

Moon, who favors engagement with Pyongyang over confrontation, will be
the first liberal politician to lead the country in nearly a decade.

He could order the U.S. to remove THAAD, the missile defense system
deployed to intercept potential short- to medium-range North Korean
missiles targeting South Korea or other nearby countries. The system
was rushed in by the U.S. military just weeks ago, but was met by
angry protesters concerned it would only escalate tensions with the
North, and with China and Russia.

On the road that leads to one THAAD installation, CBS News was stopped
at a checkpoint, beyond which only military and police vehicles are
permitted.

Protesters have also come as close as they can get to the anti-missile
system to show their opposition. Buddhist demonstrators have been
camped out at the site for 50 days, praying for THAAD's removal. At a
makeshift camp down the road, demonstrators used their bodies to try
and stop traffic.

"We want to make sure this military vehicle isn't carrying any
supplies for THAAD," one man told us.

They want THAAD out -- despite repeated U.S. assurances it's here for
their benefit.

"THAAD is here to protect South Korea, why do you oppose it?" Diaz
asked.

"The only reason America deployed THAAD here is to dominate Asia,"
another man said. "America's presence here only raises the threat of
war."

THAAD's removal would deal a blow to America's military influence in
South Korea -- and a victory to China -- which fears THAAD's strong
radar system might be used by the U.S. to spy on China.

The official winner of the South Korean election will take office
first thing Wednesday morning.


Subject: McCain is really too old to be an effective senator - someone
who read too many Kafkaesque stories about centipedes, watched too
many Saturday Night Massacre movies, and confused Nixon's special
prosecutor with an FBI director

Furthermore, I strongly disagree with the assessment that the FBI head
is "the most respected individual in all of the American government".

"I remember the Saturday Night Massacre," McCain told the mostly
European and American guests, referring to the 1973 incident when
President Nixon fired the special prosecutor looking into the
Watergate break-in, Archibald Cox.

"Probably the most respected individual in all of the American
government is probably the director of the Federal Bureau of
Investigation," McCain said.

This poster thinks the American people, generally, has a rather
negative impression of the FBI - too powerful, too intrusive, and not
particularly credible.

You don't believe me? Ask people about the FBI's role in President
Kennedy's assassination, in MLK Jr.'s assassination, in J Edgar
Hoover's role in persecuting American scientists ...

I personally also do not believe the FBI's conclusion on 9/11. I
believe that I am far from being alone since the term "truthers" has
long been around even before I started posting on these newsgroups.

Even the "voices" of the people don't respect the FBI head. Just ask
Hillary, she has blamed two people for her defeat - one of them is the
then FBI director Comey. Nor does President Trump seem to like Comey.

When neither of these two rivals "respect (in the sense of McCain)"
the office of the FBI head, millions of their followers don't either.

So, QED, McCain is just sucking up the oxygen in Washington and
wasting billions of the American taxpayer money to feed his personal
habits. One of the latest of the billions he is planning to grab from
your wallet and mine is for the alleged purpose of "containing China"!

McCain proposes $7.5 billion of new U.S. military funding for
Asia-Pacific

What a waste of my money - don't know about yours!

lo yeeOn


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/josh-rogin/wp/2017/05/10/john-mccain-on-comey-firing-there-will-be-more-shoes-to-drop/?utm_term=.68ee4eef6cdc

President Trump's sudden firing of FBI Director James B. Comey is bad
for the country and will not be the end of the Trump-Russia affair,
Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) told a group of foreign diplomats and
experts Tuesday night.

Although McCain did not directly accuse the White House of firing
Comey to thwart the FBI's investigation into the Trump campaign's
possible Russia ties, he did say that if that was the intention, it
would fail.

[Comey's dismissal may turn the anti-Trump wave into a tsunami]

"This scandal is going to go on. I've seen it before," McCain told a
meeting of the Munich Security Conference core group."

"This is a centipede. I guarantee you there will be more shoes to
drop, I can just guarantee it. There's just too much information that
we don't have that will be coming out."

He called Trump's actions against Comey "unprecedented" and said the
position of FBI director has held special meaning in American public
life dating back decades.

"I remember the Saturday Night Massacre," McCain told the mostly
European and American guests, referring to the 1973 incident when
President Nixon fired the special prosecutor looking into the
Watergate break-in, Archibald Cox.

"Probably the most respected individual in all of the American
government is probably the director of the Federal Bureau of
Investigation," McCain said. "I'm very sorry that this has happened."

"Probably the most respected individual in all of the American
government is probably the director of the Federal Bureau of
Investigation," McCain said. "I'm very sorry that this has happened."

---------

http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/332770-gop-senators-on-comey-firing-where-they-stand

Trump scored his most prominent defender on Wednesday when Senate
Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) noted that Democrats had
previously criticized Comey and supported Rod Rosenstein's deputy
attorney general nomination. "Our Democratic colleagues [are]
complaining about the removal of an FBI director whom they themselves
repeatedly and sharply criticized," McConnell said on the Senate
floor. "That removal being done by a man, Rod Rosenstein, who they
repeatedly and effusively praised.








Subject: Trump met Russian FM Sergei Lavrov and Russian Ambassador
Kislyak and the press corp who was hoping to get a glimpse of the
Russians found Henry Kissinger in the Oval Office instead

Is it McCain's another Russian shoe that would drop?

One White House correspondent, speaking on background, remarked on
the unusual nature of the entire morning: None of the press were
alerted that Kislyak would also be at the meeting until photos from
the Russian embassy emerged. At one point the pool was hastily
assembled at one point for what they thought was a photo spray
ending the meeting with Lavrov, but as the press filed into the Oval
Office they discovered instead former Secretary of State Henry
Kissinger sitting there.

A Kislyak morphing into a Kissinger behind a smiling Trump shaking
Lavrov's hand - hilarious!

lo yeeOn

Lavrov: Trump admin are business people, dialogue free from
ideological bias

Published time: 10 May, 2017 15:36 Edited time: 10 May, 2017 17:39

https://www.rt.com/news/387891-lavrov-tillerson-meeting-washington/

. . .

"We have thoroughly discussed Syria, including those ideas about
creating de-escalation zones. We have a shared understanding that this
must be a step made jointly to put an end to violence in Syria,"
Lavrov said.

Lavrov added that he and President Trump did not touch upon the
subject of Russia's alleged meddling in the US elections in 2016,
calling the media hype around the subject an "orgy".

US officials are harming their own people by saying that Russia might
have influenced the elections and is standing behind US internal
affairs, Lavrov also said.

"I think this is even humiliating for American people to hear that US
internal affairs are being governed by Russia. How can it be that such
a great nation is thinking in this way?" Lavrov said.

However, reporters apparently would not let the issue lie, repeating
the same question several times. Lavrov was compelled to repeat that
there has been no solid evidence of any meddling.

After being asked about the issue for a fourth time, Lavrov looked
somewhat annoyed as he replied that he had "already answered".
lo yeeOn
2017-07-06 04:54:32 UTC
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Post by lo yeeOn
I personally also do not believe the FBI's conclusion on 9/11. I
believe that I am far from being alone since the term "truthers" has
long been around even before I started posting on these newsgroups.
As have the moon landing deniers, holocaust deniers, etc. Your
chronology on usenet (you are a bad usenet citizen by the way) is
irrelevant.
What is so strange is that I was the OP of this thread about McCain
and his warmongership - if such a word is allowed - and there are 6
posts altogether in rst, including yours and 2 more of BM's. The
other three posts were mine. And my effort to speak on this thread
completely failed because all of the three posts of mine are gone, as
one can look at the thread tree and see.

But specifically, I disagree that the FBI head is "the most respected
individual in all of the American government". Not even many Demos
think that that is the case. The FBI, the CIA, and all the myriad of
intelligence agencies serve the government by fixing the intelligence
to serve the policy as they say, after the Iraq invasion, using false
pretenses to attack a sovereign country and kill its innocent people.

Of course, I've never expressed any opinion that would link me to be a
holocaust or moon-landing denier. And my criticism of McCain and his
latest travel into Germany to speak ill of the sitting US president -
his own commander in chief - using the Kafkaesque centipede image was
very odd and unexplainable given Trump was only a few months in the
office. On the other hand, it's quite clear that the Deep State and
its soldiers are in concert to discredit the Trump administration any
way they can, apparently hoping to bring it down and get a more timid,
more compliant figure in his place to continue its agenda - which
seems to be more the same of the Bush/Obama/Hillary legacy. Yet, what
I said must have touched some nerve and so, my posts in this thread
were all deleted, leaving strangely all those who tried to smear me.

And of course, if the official version of what happened to the WTC
buildings and what caused them to happen never convinced me.

I can't say that I believe the official story like I believe men
landed on the moon or that holocaust happened.

But what happened to this thread shows why there are truthers.

It is all very relevant because Bush relied very much the fall of the
WTC buildings to launch his terror wars that killed innocent people by
the hundreds of thousands.

For as long as people continue to have to cope with these terror wars,
they would have a lot of doubt about how they came about.

I certain don't believe that this country is a banana republic.

It's not possible for all those events that happened on 9/11 to have
happened without permission at the highest level.

You and your cohorts can demonize me and delete my posts. But all
that efforts just lead to more truthers and not less.

lo yeeOn

--------

The mysteriously deleted original post:

Subject: McCain is really too old to be an effective senator - someone
who read too many Kafkaesque stories about centipedes, watched too
many Saturday Night Massacre movies, and confused Nixon's special
prosecutor with an FBI director

Furthermore, I strongly disagree with the assessment that the FBI head
is "the most respected individual in all of the American government".

"I remember the Saturday Night Massacre," McCain told the mostly
European and American guests, referring to the 1973 incident when
President Nixon fired the special prosecutor looking into the
Watergate break-in, Archibald Cox.

"Probably the most respected individual in all of the American
government is probably the director of the Federal Bureau of
Investigation," McCain said.

This poster thinks the American people, generally, has a rather
negative impression of the FBI - too powerful, too intrusive, and not
particularly credible.

You don't believe me? Ask people about the FBI's role in President
Kennedy's assassination, in MLK Jr.'s assassination, in J Edgar
Hoover's role in persecuting American scientists ...

I personally also do not believe the FBI's conclusion on 9/11. I
believe that I am far from being alone since the term "truthers" has
long been around even before I started posting on these newsgroups.

Even the "voices" of the people don't respect the FBI head. Just ask
Hillary, she has blamed two people for her defeat - one of them is the
then FBI director Comey. Nor does President Trump seem to like Comey.

When neither of these two rivals "respect (in the sense of McCain)"
the office of the FBI head, millions of their followers don't either.

So, QED, McCain is just sucking up the oxygen in Washington and
wasting billions of the American taxpayer money to feed his personal
habits. One of the latest of the billions he is planning to grab from
your wallet and mine is for the alleged purpose of "containing China"!

McCain proposes $7.5 billion of new U.S. military funding for
Asia-Pacific

What a waste of my money - don't know about yours!

lo yeeOn


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/josh-rogin/wp/2017/05/10/john-mccain-on-comey-firing-there-will-be-more-shoes-to-drop/?utm_term=.68ee4eef6cdc

President Trump's sudden firing of FBI Director James B. Comey is bad
for the country and will not be the end of the Trump-Russia affair,
Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) told a group of foreign diplomats and
experts Tuesday night.

Although McCain did not directly accuse the White House of firing
Comey to thwart the FBI's investigation into the Trump campaign's
possible Russia ties, he did say that if that was the intention, it
would fail.

[Comey's dismissal may turn the anti-Trump wave into a tsunami]

"This scandal is going to go on. I've seen it before," McCain told a
meeting of the Munich Security Conference core group."

"This is a centipede. I guarantee you there will be more shoes to
drop, I can just guarantee it. There's just too much information that
we don't have that will be coming out."

He called Trump's actions against Comey "unprecedented" and said the
position of FBI director has held special meaning in American public
life dating back decades.

"I remember the Saturday Night Massacre," McCain told the mostly
European and American guests, referring to the 1973 incident when
President Nixon fired the special prosecutor looking into the
Watergate break-in, Archibald Cox.

"Probably the most respected individual in all of the American
government is probably the director of the Federal Bureau of
Investigation," McCain said. "I'm very sorry that this has happened."

"Probably the most respected individual in all of the American
government is probably the director of the Federal Bureau of
Investigation," McCain said. "I'm very sorry that this has happened."

---------

http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/332770-gop-senators-on-comey-firing-where-they-stand

Trump scored his most prominent defender on Wednesday when Senate
Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) noted that Democrats had
previously criticized Comey and supported Rod Rosenstein's deputy
attorney general nomination. "Our Democratic colleagues [are]
complaining about the removal of an FBI director whom they themselves
repeatedly and sharply criticized," McConnell said on the Senate
floor. "That removal being done by a man, Rod Rosenstein, who they
repeatedly and effusively praised.
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