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Russia to Crimea as Britian to Falklands? Let's see... Re: Trump and his campaign complicit in TREASON?
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lo yeeOn
2017-02-17 05:11:59 UTC
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Russia to US is not a hostile power.
Russia is hostile power to everyone. Even its own citizens.
You disgust me.
Russia is a hostile power to everyone. Even its own citizen.
Wow, really factual and unbiased.
LOL
I knew it all the time, but now it's clear to everyone.
we've had Iraq, Syria, Libya, secret Yemen war and trying to kill
Castro 600 times but Russia is hostile!
False equivalence.
600 times? They should have sent Bronson. (The Mechanic)
Most of those were simply mad suggestions made by Cuban exiles or
dissidents still in Cuba. The CIA may have offered some encouragement,
including maybe cash, but they were mostly figments of someone's
imagination.
The Soviet Union/Russia has been 'hostile' to most other countries since
the revolution. It did have communist 'friends', but it enforced the
friendship on its own terms. Since ~1992 Russia has seemingly diminished
in power and influence and is trying to reimpose its will on its
neighbours and perceived 'enemies'.
And yet Trump seems unaware of the history. I read/heard that he thinks
Russia will return the Crimea to Ukraine, but the Kremlin also saw that
and said 'not going to happen'.
Is UK going to give back Falklands?
No, but why is that relevant or remotely similar?
I'm not surprised you don't see any similarities. You'd post
different stuff and think entirely differently if you were able
to analyze and compare events in unbiased way. As it is, you're
indoctrinated.
Therefore any attempt to explain it to you, would be in vain. Futile.
Well for once you are right, it would be futile. Maybe you could educate
our other readers though, I'm sure they'd enjoy that.
Projection?
Is UK going to give back Falklands?
No, but why is that relevant or remotely similar?
For the sake of peace :), I'll take a stab.

Falkands' residents are overwhelmingly British. And upwards of 80
percent of residents in Crimea are either Russians or have Russian
relatives. And an overwhelming majority of Crimean residents want to
associate with Russia, not the strange-looking Kiev government
nurtured by Victoria Nuland with billions of NED money and closely
nannied by VP Joe Biden.

They are pro-Russian for good reasons.

Crimea is historically and culturally Russian. Yalta, a city by the
Black Sea, is in Crimea and is famously Russian for a variety of
reasons. Among them is Anton Chekhov, one of the famous Russian
writers of all time.

Another is the Yalta Conference. Recall that the host at the time was
Joseph Stalin. If the residents were real haters of Russia, Stalin
being there to host Roosevelt and Churcill in the twilight years of
WWII would have certainly been a strong reason for them to choose the
State Department's Vicki over Volodya in 2014. But no, when the
Russian soldiers went down the peninsula that very night, when locals
weren't sure whether they were one of their own, they said: "Do not
fear, we are with you!" Not one shot was fired in the process. The
rest is history.

Then we can also learn from the vast mountain of information available
on the internet that much of Russia's one-millenium history was about
struggles between the Russians and tartars, with most of the tartars
eventually getting absorbed into Russia.

Finally, the Kerch Strait bridge project shows great care from Russia
to Crimea. The importance Russia attached to Crimea is nothing to
sneer at. It is not an attitude of a colonialist or an occupier.

lo yeeOn
lo yeeOn
2017-02-17 05:35:56 UTC
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Russia to US is not a hostile power.
Russia is hostile power to everyone. Even its own citizens.
You disgust me.
Russia is a hostile power to everyone. Even its own citizen.
Wow, really factual and unbiased.
LOL
I knew it all the time, but now it's clear to everyone.
we've had Iraq, Syria, Libya, secret Yemen war and trying to kill
Castro 600 times but Russia is hostile!
False equivalence.
600 times? They should have sent Bronson. (The Mechanic)
Most of those were simply mad suggestions made by Cuban exiles or
dissidents still in Cuba. The CIA may have offered some encouragement,
including maybe cash, but they were mostly figments of someone's
imagination.
The Soviet Union/Russia has been 'hostile' to most other countries since
the revolution. It did have communist 'friends', but it enforced the
friendship on its own terms. Since ~1992 Russia has seemingly diminished
in power and influence and is trying to reimpose its will on its
neighbours and perceived 'enemies'.
I think India was one of the non-aligned nations that was consistently
friendly to the USSR, so were many African countries.

lo yeeOn
And yet Trump seems unaware of the history. I read/heard that he thinks
Russia will return the Crimea to Ukraine, but the Kremlin also saw that
and said 'not going to happen'.
Byker
2017-02-17 16:38:43 UTC
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Post by lo yeeOn
For the sake of peace :), I'll take a stab.
Falkands' residents are overwhelmingly British. And upwards of 80 percent
of residents in Crimea are either Russians or have Russian relatives. And
an overwhelming majority of Crimean residents want to associate with
Russia, not the strange-looking Kiev government nurtured by Victoria
Nuland with billions of NED money and closely nannied by VP Joe Biden.
How would the Russkies feel about Germany demanding Königsberg (Kaliningrad)
back?
Oleg Smirnov
2017-02-17 17:52:09 UTC
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Post by lo yeeOn
For the sake of peace :), I'll take a stab.
Falkands' residents are overwhelmingly British. And
upwards of 80 percent of residents in Crimea are either
Russians or have Russian relatives. And an overwhelming
majority of Crimean residents want to associate with
Russia, not the strange-looking Kiev government nurtured
by Victoria Nuland with billions of NED money and
closely nannied by VP Joe Biden.
How would the Russkies feel about Germany demanding Königsberg (Kaliningrad)
back?
Similarly to how the Crimeans feel about Kiev & Choir demanding Crimea back.
Oleg Smirnov
2017-02-18 10:08:00 UTC
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Post by lo yeeOn
Is UK going to give back Falklands?
No, but why is that relevant or remotely similar?
For the sake of peace :), I'll take a stab.
Falkands' residents are overwhelmingly British. And upwards of 80 percent
of residents in Crimea are either Russians or have Russian relatives. And
an overwhelming majority of Crimean residents want to associate with Russia,
not the strange-looking Kiev government nurtured by Victoria Nuland with
billions of NED money and closely nannied by VP Joe Biden.
They are pro-Russian for good reasons.
Crimea is historically and culturally Russian. Yalta, a city by the Black
Sea, is in Crimea and is famously Russian for a variety of reasons. Among
them is Anton Chekhov, one of the famous Russian writers of all time.
Another is the Yalta Conference. Recall that the host at the time was
Joseph Stalin. If the residents were real haters of Russia, Stalin being
there to host Roosevelt and Churcill in the twilight years of WWII would
have certainly been a strong reason for them to choose the State
Department's Vicki over Volodya in 2014. But no, when the Russian soldiers
went down the peninsula that very night, when locals weren't sure whether
they were one of their own, they said: "Do not fear, we are with you!" Not
one shot was fired in the process. The rest is history.
Then we can also learn from the vast mountain of information available on
the internet that much of Russia's one-millenium history was about struggles
between the Russians and tartars, with most of the tartars eventually
getting absorbed into Russia.
Finally, the Kerch Strait bridge project shows great care from Russia to
Crimea. The importance Russia attached to Crimea is nothing to sneer at.
It is not an attitude of a colonialist or an occupier.
Yep, and the Russia-Ukraine issues in general are not about a colonialist
legacy. The Russian empire did conduct policies that were somewhat similar
to the colonialism in the common 'western' meaning, but the Ukraine is not
the case. It was/is a part belonging to the most ancient Russian state, and
when it was under Poland's rule - in the 15-17 centuries - the Poles (the
Greeks etc as well) called it Russian area [within Poland]. One might say
the Ukrainians are the Russians that were subjected to Polish colonization,
but it'd be also inaccurate. The history of the region was peculiar, it's
difficult to find easy labels and proper analogies to 'known practices'.

Also, it's typical for a colonialism that the settlers go from 'metropolis'
to 'colony', but with regard to the Ukraine it doesn't look like that.
About 25% of the modern Russians in Russia (about a half in Siberia) are
those who have ancestors that once came from the territories of the present
day Ukraine. Thus one might claim the Ukrainians colonized Russia ;)
TT
2017-02-18 10:14:39 UTC
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Post by lo yeeOn
Russia to US is not a hostile power.
Russia is hostile power to everyone. Even its own citizens.
You disgust me.
Russia is a hostile power to everyone. Even its own citizen.
Wow, really factual and unbiased.
LOL
I knew it all the time, but now it's clear to everyone.
we've had Iraq, Syria, Libya, secret Yemen war and trying to kill
Castro 600 times but Russia is hostile!
False equivalence.
600 times? They should have sent Bronson. (The Mechanic)
Most of those were simply mad suggestions made by Cuban exiles or
dissidents still in Cuba. The CIA may have offered some encouragement,
including maybe cash, but they were mostly figments of someone's
imagination.
The Soviet Union/Russia has been 'hostile' to most other countries since
the revolution. It did have communist 'friends', but it enforced the
friendship on its own terms. Since ~1992 Russia has seemingly diminished
in power and influence and is trying to reimpose its will on its
neighbours and perceived 'enemies'.
And yet Trump seems unaware of the history. I read/heard that he thinks
Russia will return the Crimea to Ukraine, but the Kremlin also saw that
and said 'not going to happen'.
Is UK going to give back Falklands?
No, but why is that relevant or remotely similar?
I'm not surprised you don't see any similarities. You'd post
different stuff and think entirely differently if you were able
to analyze and compare events in unbiased way. As it is, you're
indoctrinated.
Therefore any attempt to explain it to you, would be in vain. Futile.
Well for once you are right, it would be futile. Maybe you could educate
our other readers though, I'm sure they'd enjoy that.
Projection?
Is UK going to give back Falklands?
No, but why is that relevant or remotely similar?
For the sake of peace :), I'll take a stab.
Falkands' residents are overwhelmingly British. And upwards of 80
percent of residents in Crimea are either Russians or have Russian
relatives. And an overwhelming majority of Crimean residents want to
associate with Russia,
Not true.
Post by lo yeeOn
Crimea is historically and culturally Russian.
Certainly Ukrainian geographically.
Historically all over the map.
Post by lo yeeOn
Finally, the Kerch Strait bridge project shows great care from Russia
to Crimea.
Nonsense
Oleg Smirnov
2017-02-18 10:47:38 UTC
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Post by lo yeeOn
Crimea is historically and culturally Russian.
Certainly Ukrainian geographically.
Historically all over the map.
Historically and geographically not only Crimea, but the
whole Black Sea northern littoral/steppes had a little to
do with the Ukraine.

These lands were initially occupied or controlled by
the Crimean Khanate, that was conquered and domesticated
by the Russian empire in the 18th century.
*skriptis
2017-02-18 11:50:29 UTC
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Post by lo yeeOn
Russia to US is not a hostile power.
Russia is hostile power to everyone. Even its own citizens.
You disgust me.
Russia is a hostile power to everyone. Even its own citizen.
Wow, really factual and unbiased.
LOL
I knew it all the time, but now it's clear to everyone.
we've had Iraq, Syria, Libya, secret Yemen war and trying to kill
Castro 600 times but Russia is hostile!
False equivalence.
600 times? They should have sent Bronson. (The Mechanic)
Most of those were simply mad suggestions made by Cuban exiles or
dissidents still in Cuba. The CIA may have offered some encouragement,
including maybe cash, but they were mostly figments of someone's
imagination.
The Soviet Union/Russia has been 'hostile' to most other countries since
the revolution. It did have communist 'friends', but it enforced the
friendship on its own terms. Since ~1992 Russia has seemingly diminished
in power and influence and is trying to reimpose its will on its
neighbours and perceived 'enemies'.
And yet Trump seems unaware of the history. I read/heard that he thinks
Russia will return the Crimea to Ukraine, but the Kremlin also saw that
and said 'not going to happen'.
Is UK going to give back Falklands?
No, but why is that relevant or remotely similar?
I'm not surprised you don't see any similarities. You'd post
different stuff and think entirely differently if you were able
to analyze and compare events in unbiased way. As it is, you're
indoctrinated.
Therefore any attempt to explain it to you, would be in vain. Futile.
Well for once you are right, it would be futile. Maybe you could educate
our other readers though, I'm sure they'd enjoy that.
Projection?
Is UK going to give back Falklands?
No, but why is that relevant or remotely similar?
For the sake of peace :), I'll take a stab.
Falkands' residents are overwhelmingly British. And upwards of 80
percent of residents in Crimea are either Russians or have Russian
relatives. And an overwhelming majority of Crimean residents want to
associate with Russia,
Not true.
Post by lo yeeOn
Crimea is historically and culturally Russian.
Certainly Ukrainian geographically.
Historically all over the map.
Post by lo yeeOn
Finally, the Kerch Strait bridge project shows great care from Russia
to Crimea.
Nonsense
You're a first class dumbass.

You can "perhaps" criticize Russia's action from a anti-war & a
hippie stance and that's all. Are you a hippie? That's for teens
and drug addicts.

I thought you were more normal than that.

You can't even criticize Russia from a deluded leftist,
anti-imperialist stance, as their action, was done as a response
to Ukrainian coup and on their border. It concerns their country.
They haven't sailed to the other side of the world to conduct
that action. So it's not even an imperialism.


And one more thing. Aren't you ashamed of lying so much?

Overwhelming majority or Crimeans don't want to be in Russia? Are
you idiot or what?
It's like saying British people living in Gibraltar don't want to
be part of UK.

Russians are the majority there. You're suggesting Russians don't
want to live in Russia? You're a drug addict, no doubt.


Even most of the non Russians there prefer Russia as a stable and
more lawful country over failed Ukraine. Just as Puerto Rico
Latinos would rather be part of USA over Mexico, even though they
aren't Anglosaxons.


And what's that response to Russia building a bridge to Crimea?
You say nonsense?
Nonsense as in, you don't believe the bridge is being built or
what, the project is a nonsense to you?

You're a total wacko.
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Brian W Lawrence
2017-02-18 20:57:44 UTC
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It's like saying British people living in Gibraltar don't want to
be part of UK.
If they are British (about 13% of the population), then they are
citizens of the UK living in Gibraltar. The other 87% are not
citizens of the UK. Most (79%) are Gibraltarians.

The same is true of Brits living in countless countries.

Falkland Islanders all have British citizenship, about 59% are
ethnically regarded as Falkland Islanders, while another 20% are
of British origin. Others came from St Helena and Chile. There
are a few Argentines too.
*skriptis
2017-02-18 23:13:53 UTC
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It's like saying British people living in Gibraltar don't want to
be part of UK.
If they are British (about 13% of the population), then they are
citizens of the UK living in Gibraltar. The other 87% are not
citizens of the UK. Most (79%) are Gibraltarians.
The same is true of Brits living in countless countries.
Falkland Islanders all have British citizenship, about 59% are
ethnically regarded as Falkland Islanders, while another 20% are
of British origin. Others came from St Helena and Chile. There
are a few Argentines too.
Good. Tnx for all the details about territorial, state, ethnic and
other demographics.
I hope you do understand that wether it's the English, British,
Falklands, Gibraltar, UK or whatever it all boils down to London.


Those that I used as an example want to have London as their
metropolitan and military centre from which their fate is
determined. They don't want Berlin, Beijing, Moscow, Madrid or
Paris. They want London. Agreed?
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