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Pat Buchanan: The McCain/Graham type aren't interested only in engineering regime changes aborad - they are working hard to make one happen at home because these neocons see Trump very much as their enemy
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lo yeeOn
2016-12-23 04:02:43 UTC
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Incoming Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer sees Russian hacking
as a way to put a cloud over the administration before it begins.
But it is the uber-hawks hereabouts who are after the really big
game.

. . .

If they can stigmatize Trump as "Putin's president" and Putin as
America's implacable enemy, then the Russophobes are back in
business.

Nor is the War Party disguising its goal.

Over the weekend, Sen. John McCain called for a congressional select
committee to investigate Russian hacking into the Clinton campaign.
The purpose of the investigations, said Sen. Lindsey Graham, "is to
put on President Trump's desk crippling sanctions against Russia".

"They need to pay a price," Graham chortled on Twitter. "Crippling
sanctions" would abort any modus vivendi, any deal with Russia,
before Trump could negotiate one. Trump would have to refuse to
impose them - and face the firestorm to follow. The War Party is out
to dynamite any detente with Russia before it begins.

Among the reasons Trump won is that he promised to end U.S.
involvement in the costly, bloody and interminable wars in the
Middle East the Bushites and President Barack Obama brought us - and
the neocons relish - and to reach a new understanding with Russia
and Putin.

. . .

http://buchanan.org/blog/real-saboteurs-trump-foreign-policy-126270

The Real Saboteurs of a Trump Foreign Policy
Tuesday - December 20, 2016 at 12:37 am
By Patrick J. Buchanan

The never-Trumpers are never going to surrender the myth that Russian
President Vladimir Putin ordered the hacking of Hillary Clinton
campaign chairman John Podesta and the Democratic National Committee
to defeat Clinton and elect Donald Trump.

Their investment in the myth is just too huge.

For Clinton and her campaign, it is the only way to explain how they
booted away a presidential election even Trump thought he had lost in
November. To the mainstream media, this is the smoking gun in their
Acela Corridor conspiracy to delegitimize Trump's presidency.

Incoming Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer sees Russian hacking as
a way to put a cloud over the administration before it begins. But it
is the uber-hawks hereabouts who are after the really big game.

They seek to demonize Putin as the saboteur of democracy - someone who
corrupted an American presidential election to bring about victory for
a "useful idiot" whom Clinton called Putin's "puppet".

If the War Party can convert this "fake story" into the real story of
2016, then they can scuttle any Trump effort to attain the
rapprochement with Russia that Trump promised to try to achieve.

If they can stigmatize Trump as "Putin's president" and Putin as
America's implacable enemy, then the Russophobes are back in business.

Nor is the War Party disguising its goal.

Over the weekend, Sen. John McCain called for a congressional select
committee to investigate Russian hacking into the Clinton campaign.
The purpose of the investigations, said Sen. Lindsey Graham, "is to
put on President Trump's desk crippling sanctions against Russia".

"They need to pay a price," Graham chortled on Twitter. "Crippling
sanctions" would abort any modus vivendi, any deal with Russia, before
Trump could negotiate one. Trump would have to refuse to impose them -
and face the firestorm to follow. The War Party is out to dynamite any
detente with Russia before it begins.

Among the reasons Trump won is that he promised to end U.S.
involvement in the costly, bloody and interminable wars in the Middle
East the Bushites and President Barack Obama brought us - and the
neocons relish - and to reach a new understanding with Russia and
Putin.

But to some in Washington, beating up on Russia is a conditioned
reflex dating to the Cold War. For others in the media and the front
groups called think tanks, Russophobia is in their DNA.

Though Julian Assange says WikiLeaks did not get the emails from
Russia, this has to be investigated. Did Russia hack the DNC's email
system and John Podesta's email account? Did Putin direct that the
emails be provided to WikiLeaks to disrupt democracy or defeat
Clinton?

Clinton says Putin has had it in for her because he believes she was
behind the anti-Putin demonstrations in Moscow in 2011.

But if there is to be an investigation of clandestine interference in
the politics and elections of foreign nations, let's get it all out
onto the table.

The CIA director and his deputies should be made to testify under
oath, not only as to what they know about Russia's role in the
WikiLeaks email dumps but also about who inside the agency is behind
the leaks to The Washington Post designed to put a cloud over the
Trump presidency before it begins.

Agents and operatives of the CIA should be subjected to lie detector
tests to learn who is leaking to the anti-Trump press.

Before any congressional investigation, President-elect Trump should
call in his new director of the CIA, Rep. Mike Pompeo, and tell him to
run down and remove, for criminal misconduct, any CIA agents or
operatives leaking secrets to discredit his election.

Putin, after all, is not an American. The CIA saboteurs of the Trump
presidency are. Will the media investigate the leakers? Not likely,
for they are the beneficiaries of the leaks and co-conspirators of the
leakers.

The top officials of the CIA and Carl Gershman, president of the
National Endowment for Democracy, should be called to testify under
oath. Were they behind anti-Putin demonstrations during the Russian
elections of 2011?

Did the CIA or NED have a role in the "color-coded" revolutions to
dump over pro-Russian governments in Moscow's "near-abroad"?

If Russia did intrude in our election, was it payback for our
intrusions to bring about regime change in its neighborhood?

What role did the CIA, the NED and John McCain play in the overthrow
of the democratically elected government of Ukraine in 2014? McCain
was seen cheering on the crowds in Independence Square in Kiev.

Trump has promised a more hopeful foreign policy than that of the
Republicans he denounced and is succeeding. No more wars where vital
interests are not imperiled. No more U.S. troops arriving as first
responders for freeloading allies.

The real saboteurs of his new foreign policy may not be inside the
Ring Road in Moscow; rather, they may be inside the Beltway around
D.C.

The real danger may be that a new Trump foreign policy could be
hijacked or scuttled by anti-Trump Republicans, not only on Capitol
Hill but inside the executive branch itself.
*skriptis
2016-12-23 04:11:20 UTC
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Incoming Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer sees Russian hacking
as a way to put a cloud over the administration before it begins.
But it is the uber-hawks hereabouts who are after the really big
game.
. . .
If they can stigmatize Trump as "Putin's president" and Putin as
America's implacable enemy, then the Russophobes are back in
business.
Nor is the War Party disguising its goal.
Over the weekend, Sen. John McCain called for a congressional select
committee to investigate Russian hacking into the Clinton campaign.
The purpose of the investigations, said Sen. Lindsey Graham, "is to
put on President Trump's desk crippling sanctions against Russia".
"They need to pay a price," Graham chortled on Twitter. "Crippling
sanctions" would abort any modus vivendi, any deal with Russia,
before Trump could negotiate one. Trump would have to refuse to
impose them - and face the firestorm to follow. The War Party is out
to dynamite any detente with Russia before it begins.
Among the reasons Trump won is that he promised to end U.S.
involvement in the costly, bloody and interminable wars in the
Middle East the Bushites and President Barack Obama brought us - and
the neocons relish - and to reach a new understanding with Russia
and Putin.
. . .
http://buchanan.org/blog/real-saboteurs-trump-foreign-policy-126270
The Real Saboteurs of a Trump Foreign Policy
Tuesday - December 20, 2016 at 12:37 am
By Patrick J. Buchanan
The never-Trumpers are never going to surrender the myth that Russian
President Vladimir Putin ordered the hacking of Hillary Clinton
campaign chairman John Podesta and the Democratic National Committee
to defeat Clinton and elect Donald Trump.
Their investment in the myth is just too huge.
For Clinton and her campaign, it is the only way to explain how they
booted away a presidential election even Trump thought he had lost in
November. To the mainstream media, this is the smoking gun in their
Acela Corridor conspiracy to delegitimize Trump's presidency.
Incoming Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer sees Russian hacking as
a way to put a cloud over the administration before it begins. But it
is the uber-hawks hereabouts who are after the really big game.
They seek to demonize Putin as the saboteur of democracy - someone who
corrupted an American presidential election to bring about victory for
a "useful idiot" whom Clinton called Putin's "puppet".
If the War Party can convert this "fake story" into the real story of
2016, then they can scuttle any Trump effort to attain the
rapprochement with Russia that Trump promised to try to achieve.
If they can stigmatize Trump as "Putin's president" and Putin as
America's implacable enemy, then the Russophobes are back in business.
Nor is the War Party disguising its goal.
Over the weekend, Sen. John McCain called for a congressional select
committee to investigate Russian hacking into the Clinton campaign.
The purpose of the investigations, said Sen. Lindsey Graham, "is to
put on President Trump's desk crippling sanctions against Russia".
"They need to pay a price," Graham chortled on Twitter. "Crippling
sanctions" would abort any modus vivendi, any deal with Russia, before
Trump could negotiate one. Trump would have to refuse to impose them -
and face the firestorm to follow. The War Party is out to dynamite any
detente with Russia before it begins.
Among the reasons Trump won is that he promised to end U.S.
involvement in the costly, bloody and interminable wars in the Middle
East the Bushites and President Barack Obama brought us - and the
neocons relish - and to reach a new understanding with Russia and
Putin.
But to some in Washington, beating up on Russia is a conditioned
reflex dating to the Cold War. For others in the media and the front
groups called think tanks, Russophobia is in their DNA.
Though Julian Assange says WikiLeaks did not get the emails from
Russia, this has to be investigated. Did Russia hack the DNC's email
system and John Podesta's email account? Did Putin direct that the
emails be provided to WikiLeaks to disrupt democracy or defeat
Clinton?
Clinton says Putin has had it in for her because he believes she was
behind the anti-Putin demonstrations in Moscow in 2011.
But if there is to be an investigation of clandestine interference in
the politics and elections of foreign nations, let's get it all out
onto the table.
The CIA director and his deputies should be made to testify under
oath, not only as to what they know about Russia's role in the
WikiLeaks email dumps but also about who inside the agency is behind
the leaks to The Washington Post designed to put a cloud over the
Trump presidency before it begins.
Agents and operatives of the CIA should be subjected to lie detector
tests to learn who is leaking to the anti-Trump press.
Before any congressional investigation, President-elect Trump should
call in his new director of the CIA, Rep. Mike Pompeo, and tell him to
run down and remove, for criminal misconduct, any CIA agents or
operatives leaking secrets to discredit his election.
Putin, after all, is not an American. The CIA saboteurs of the Trump
presidency are. Will the media investigate the leakers? Not likely,
for they are the beneficiaries of the leaks and co-conspirators of the
leakers.
The top officials of the CIA and Carl Gershman, president of the
National Endowment for Democracy, should be called to testify under
oath. Were they behind anti-Putin demonstrations during the Russian
elections of 2011?
Did the CIA or NED have a role in the "color-coded" revolutions to
dump over pro-Russian governments in Moscow's "near-abroad"?
If Russia did intrude in our election, was it payback for our
intrusions to bring about regime change in its neighborhood?
What role did the CIA, the NED and John McCain play in the overthrow
of the democratically elected government of Ukraine in 2014? McCain
was seen cheering on the crowds in Independence Square in Kiev.
Trump has promised a more hopeful foreign policy than that of the
Republicans he denounced and is succeeding. No more wars where vital
interests are not imperiled. No more U.S. troops arriving as first
responders for freeloading allies.
The real saboteurs of his new foreign policy may not be inside the
Ring Road in Moscow; rather, they may be inside the Beltway around
D.C.
The real danger may be that a new Trump foreign policy could be
hijacked or scuttled by anti-Trump Republicans, not only on Capitol
Hill but inside the executive branch itself.
You post good stuff, this one is great, but why often double?
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lo yeeOn
2016-12-25 08:50:30 UTC
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Incoming Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer sees Russian hacking
as a way to put a cloud over the administration before it begins.
But it is the uber-hawks hereabouts who are after the really big
game.
. . .
If they can stigmatize Trump as "Putin's president" and Putin as
America's implacable enemy, then the Russophobes are back in business.
Nor is the War Party disguising its goal.
Over the weekend, Sen. John McCain called for a congressional select
committee to investigate Russian hacking into the Clinton campaign.
The purpose of the investigations, said Sen. Lindsey Graham, "is to
put on President Trump's desk crippling sanctions against Russia".
"They need to pay a price," Graham chortled on Twitter. "Crippling
sanctions" would abort any modus vivendi, any deal with Russia,
before Trump could negotiate one. Trump would have to refuse to
impose them - and face the firestorm to follow. The War Party is out
to dynamite any detente with Russia before it begins.
Among the reasons Trump won is that he promised to end U.S.
involvement in the costly, bloody and interminable wars in the
Middle East the Bushites and President Barack Obama brought us - and
the neocons relish - and to reach a new understanding with Russia
and Putin.
. . .
http://buchanan.org/blog/real-saboteurs-trump-foreign-policy-126270
The Real Saboteurs of a Trump Foreign Policy
Tuesday - December 20, 2016 at 12:37 am
By Patrick J. Buchanan
The never-Trumpers are never going to surrender the myth that Russian
President Vladimir Putin ordered the hacking of Hillary Clinton
campaign chairman John Podesta and the Democratic National Committee
to defeat Clinton and elect Donald Trump.
Their investment in the myth is just too huge.
For Clinton and her campaign, it is the only way to explain how they
booted away a presidential election even Trump thought he had lost in
November. To the mainstream media, this is the smoking gun in their
Acela Corridor conspiracy to delegitimize Trump's presidency.
Incoming Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer sees Russian hacking as
a way to put a cloud over the administration before it begins. But it
is the uber-hawks hereabouts who are after the really big game.
They seek to demonize Putin as the saboteur of democracy - someone who
corrupted an American presidential election to bring about victory for
a "useful idiot" whom Clinton called Putin's "puppet".
If the War Party can convert this "fake story" into the real story of
2016, then they can scuttle any Trump effort to attain the
rapprochement with Russia that Trump promised to try to achieve.
If they can stigmatize Trump as "Putin's president" and Putin as
America's implacable enemy, then the Russophobes are back in business.
Nor is the War Party disguising its goal.
Over the weekend, Sen. John McCain called for a congressional select
committee to investigate Russian hacking into the Clinton campaign.
The purpose of the investigations, said Sen. Lindsey Graham, "is to
put on President Trump's desk crippling sanctions against Russia".
"They need to pay a price," Graham chortled on Twitter. "Crippling
sanctions" would abort any modus vivendi, any deal with Russia, before
Trump could negotiate one. Trump would have to refuse to impose them -
and face the firestorm to follow. The War Party is out to dynamite any
detente with Russia before it begins.
Among the reasons Trump won is that he promised to end U.S.
involvement in the costly, bloody and interminable wars in the Middle
East the Bushites and President Barack Obama brought us - and the
neocons relish - and to reach a new understanding with Russia and
Putin.
But to some in Washington, beating up on Russia is a conditioned
reflex dating to the Cold War. For others in the media and the front
groups called think tanks, Russophobia is in their DNA.
Though Julian Assange says WikiLeaks did not get the emails from
Russia, this has to be investigated. Did Russia hack the DNC's email
system and John Podesta's email account? Did Putin direct that the
emails be provided to WikiLeaks to disrupt democracy or defeat
Clinton?
Clinton says Putin has had it in for her because he believes she was
behind the anti-Putin demonstrations in Moscow in 2011.
But if there is to be an investigation of clandestine interference in
the politics and elections of foreign nations, let's get it all out
onto the table.
The CIA director and his deputies should be made to testify under
oath, not only as to what they know about Russia's role in the
WikiLeaks email dumps but also about who inside the agency is behind
the leaks to The Washington Post designed to put a cloud over the
Trump presidency before it begins.
Agents and operatives of the CIA should be subjected to lie detector
tests to learn who is leaking to the anti-Trump press.
Before any congressional investigation, President-elect Trump should
call in his new director of the CIA, Rep. Mike Pompeo, and tell him to
run down and remove, for criminal misconduct, any CIA agents or
operatives leaking secrets to discredit his election.
Putin, after all, is not an American. The CIA saboteurs of the Trump
presidency are. Will the media investigate the leakers? Not likely,
for they are the beneficiaries of the leaks and co-conspirators of the
leakers.
The top officials of the CIA and Carl Gershman, president of the
National Endowment for Democracy, should be called to testify under
oath. Were they behind anti-Putin demonstrations during the Russian
elections of 2011?
Did the CIA or NED have a role in the "color-coded" revolutions to
dump over pro-Russian governments in Moscow's "near-abroad"?
If Russia did intrude in our election, was it payback for our
intrusions to bring about regime change in its neighborhood?
What role did the CIA, the NED and John McCain play in the overthrow
of the democratically elected government of Ukraine in 2014? McCain
was seen cheering on the crowds in Independence Square in Kiev.
Trump has promised a more hopeful foreign policy than that of the
Republicans he denounced and is succeeding. No more wars where vital
interests are not imperiled. No more U.S. troops arriving as first
responders for freeloading allies.
The real saboteurs of his new foreign policy may not be inside the
Ring Road in Moscow; rather, they may be inside the Beltway around
D.C.
The real danger may be that a new Trump foreign policy could be
hijacked or scuttled by anti-Trump Republicans, not only on Capitol
Hill but inside the executive branch itself.
You post good stuff, this one is great, but why often double?
--
Sir, I don't "double". I think you were referring to highlights from
articles I have also attached to the posts. It's for the convenience
of the busy readers who just want to get an idea about the subject of
the post. But I will keep your criticism in mind. Thanks. And happy
holidays in Hungary.

lo yeeOn
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