Discussion:
Nobody is perfect. I am nobody. Therefore, I am perfect.
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Warhol
2004-12-17 14:56:25 UTC
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All Zionists Must Read It..........

iT IS TIME TO TELL THAT ALL ZIONIST WIIL BE PUNISHED BY GOD AND JESUS FOR
EVERYTHING WHAT ZIONISME HAVE DONE BAD IN THIS WORLD, FOR ALL !!!!

We have a Blue Jump suit waiting for you !
patriot
2004-12-17 15:20:15 UTC
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FUNNY...BUT RECENTLY I MET PSYCHO ON THE STREET CLAIM TO BE AS THIS ONE
"PERFECT! SO NOBODY IS PERFECT EXEPT..MENTAL-IDIOTS LIKE WARHOL!!!
Post by Warhol
All Zionists Must Read It..........
iT IS TIME TO TELL THAT ALL ZIONIST WIIL BE PUNISHED BY GOD AND JESUS FOR
EVERYTHING WHAT ZIONISME HAVE DONE BAD IN THIS WORLD, FOR ALL !!!!
We have a Blue Jump suit waiting for you !
Jim E
2004-12-17 15:48:45 UTC
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Post by Warhol
All Zionists Must Read It..........
iT IS TIME TO TELL THAT ALL ZIONIST WIIL BE PUNISHED BY GOD AND JESUS FOR
EVERYTHING WHAT ZIONISME HAVE DONE BAD IN THIS WORLD, FOR ALL !!!!
We have a Blue Jump suit waiting for you !
Stupid AND drunk, now that's an improvement.

ROFLMFAO

Jim E
Warhol
2004-12-17 18:00:00 UTC
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Post by Jim E
Post by Warhol
All Zionists Must Read It..........
iT IS TIME TO TELL THAT ALL ZIONIST WIIL BE PUNISHED BY GOD AND JESUS FOR
EVERYTHING WHAT ZIONISME HAVE DONE BAD IN THIS WORLD, FOR ALL !!!!
We have a Blue Jump suit waiting for you !
Stupid AND drunk, now that's an improvement.
ROFLMFAO
Jim E
Zeebub, revolution is needed.....80% of Americans are so brainwashed that
there really is no hope for them. The globalist media has them under their
complete controll......

The so called well meaning Christians (probably 1/2) are completely insane.
They believe Bush is like a prophet of God and that he is acting on behalf
of Gods will.

Hopefully these bastards will have a special place in hell and experience a
nice slow burn .

KILLING IS WRONG.....THE WAR IS GARBAGE......STOP SUPPORTING THE POWER
ELITE.

Do the meglomaniac Christians believe Jesus Christ would approve Americans
murdering his closest decendants, just so the Power elite gets richer?

Americans have to stop their runaway neo con government in its tracks...THIS
IS WHAT JESUS WOULD WANT.......AMERICANS must not camoflage themselves
behind patriotism and lies to justify their actions..Then they would be
"acceptable to me"
george
2004-12-18 07:24:18 UTC
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Post by Warhol
Post by Jim E
Post by Warhol
All Zionists Must Read It..........
iT IS TIME TO TELL THAT ALL ZIONIST WIIL BE PUNISHED BY GOD AND JESUS
FOR
Post by Jim E
Post by Warhol
EVERYTHING WHAT ZIONISME HAVE DONE BAD IN THIS WORLD, FOR ALL !!!!
We have a Blue Jump suit waiting for you !
Stupid AND drunk, now that's an improvement.
ROFLMFAO
Jim E
Zeebub, revolution is needed.....80% of Americans are so brainwashed that
there really is no hope for them. The globalist media has them under their
complete controll......
The so called well meaning Christians (probably 1/2) are completely insane.
They believe Bush is like a prophet of God and that he is acting on behalf
of Gods will.
Hopefully these bastards will have a special place in hell and experience a
nice slow burn .
KILLING IS WRONG.....THE WAR IS GARBAGE......STOP SUPPORTING THE POWER
ELITE.
Do the meglomaniac Christians believe Jesus Christ would approve Americans
murdering his closest decendants, just so the Power elite gets richer?
Americans have to stop their runaway neo con government in its tracks...THIS
IS WHAT JESUS WOULD WANT.......AMERICANS must not camoflage themselves
behind patriotism and lies to justify their actions..Then they would be
"acceptable to me"
That is a most outstanding rant, Warhabbi. Just one question. Who let you out
of your padded cell?
Warhol
2004-12-18 18:37:39 UTC
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Post by george
Post by Warhol
Post by Jim E
Post by Warhol
All Zionists Must Read It..........
iT IS TIME TO TELL THAT ALL ZIONIST WIIL BE PUNISHED BY GOD AND JESUS
FOR
Post by Jim E
Post by Warhol
EVERYTHING WHAT ZIONISME HAVE DONE BAD IN THIS WORLD, FOR ALL !!!!
We have a Blue Jump suit waiting for you !
Stupid AND drunk, now that's an improvement.
ROFLMFAO
Jim E
Zeebub, revolution is needed.....80% of Americans are so brainwashed that
there really is no hope for them. The globalist media has them under their
complete controll......
The so called well meaning Christians (probably 1/2) are completely insane.
They believe Bush is like a prophet of God and that he is acting on behalf
of Gods will.
Hopefully these bastards will have a special place in hell and experience a
nice slow burn .
KILLING IS WRONG.....THE WAR IS GARBAGE......STOP SUPPORTING THE POWER
ELITE.
Do the meglomaniac Christians believe Jesus Christ would approve Americans
murdering his closest decendants, just so the Power elite gets richer?
Americans have to stop their runaway neo con government in its tracks...THIS
IS WHAT JESUS WOULD WANT.......AMERICANS must not camoflage themselves
behind patriotism and lies to justify their actions..Then they would be
"acceptable to me"
That is a most outstanding rant, Warhabbi. Just one question. Who let you out
of your padded cell?
Totally tempestuous drivel. I stay away from speech AMAP ATTOY ZEEBUB.
Jim E
2004-12-18 15:43:12 UTC
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Post by Warhol
Zeebub, revolution is needed.....80% of Americans are so brainwashed that
there really is no hope for them. The globalist media has them under their
complete controll......
Do not touch the controls.
We control the horizontal.
We control the vertical.

Bwaaahaaahaaaaaaaaa



Jim E
Warhol
2004-12-18 18:31:53 UTC
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Post by Jim E
Post by Warhol
Zeebub, revolution is needed.....80% of Americans are so brainwashed that
there really is no hope for them. The globalist media has them under their
complete controll......
Do not touch the controls.
We control the horizontal.
We control the vertical.
Bwaaahaaahaaaaaaaaa
Jim E
Ay!

im *perfectly* im-perfect
Jim E
2004-12-18 18:41:54 UTC
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Post by Warhol
Post by Jim E
Post by Warhol
Zeebub, revolution is needed.....80% of Americans are so brainwashed
that
Post by Jim E
Post by Warhol
there really is no hope for them. The globalist media has them under
their
Post by Jim E
Post by Warhol
complete controll......
Do not touch the controls.
We control the horizontal.
We control the vertical.
Bwaaahaaahaaaaaaaaa
Jim E
Ay!
im *perfectly* im-perfect
Flawed, badly manufactured, or ill-conceived
Warhol
2004-12-18 19:11:00 UTC
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Post by Jim E
Post by Warhol
Post by Jim E
Post by Warhol
Zeebub, revolution is needed.....80% of Americans are so brainwashed
that
Post by Jim E
Post by Warhol
there really is no hope for them. The globalist media has them under
their
Post by Jim E
Post by Warhol
complete controll......
Do not touch the controls.
We control the horizontal.
We control the vertical.
Bwaaahaaahaaaaaaaaa
Jim E
Ay!
im *perfectly* im-perfect
Flawed, badly manufactured, or ill-conceived
God's Work Must Go Forward!
george
2004-12-18 22:54:42 UTC
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Post by Warhol
Post by Jim E
Post by Warhol
Post by Jim E
Post by Warhol
Zeebub, revolution is needed.....80% of Americans are so brainwashed
that
Post by Jim E
Post by Warhol
there really is no hope for them. The globalist media has them under
their
Post by Jim E
Post by Warhol
complete controll......
Do not touch the controls.
We control the horizontal.
We control the vertical.
Bwaaahaaahaaaaaaaaa
Jim E
Ay!
im *perfectly* im-perfect
Flawed, badly manufactured, or ill-conceived
God's Work Must Go Forward!
Ah yes, the battle cry of the perpetually brainwashed.
Warhol
2004-12-19 04:20:24 UTC
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Post by george
Post by Warhol
Post by Jim E
Post by Warhol
Post by Jim E
Post by Warhol
Zeebub, revolution is needed.....80% of Americans are so brainwashed
that
Post by Jim E
Post by Warhol
there really is no hope for them. The globalist media has them under
their
Post by Jim E
Post by Warhol
complete controll......
Do not touch the controls.
We control the horizontal.
We control the vertical.
Bwaaahaaahaaaaaaaaa
Jim E
Ay!
im *perfectly* im-perfect
Flawed, badly manufactured, or ill-conceived
God's Work Must Go Forward!
Ah yes, the battle cry of the perpetually brainwashed.
I am very happy for you, tuna. Always good to see you. I'll stop, and let
you fill the page.

Arsehole.
george
2004-12-19 05:23:44 UTC
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Post by Warhol
Post by george
Post by Warhol
Post by Jim E
Post by Warhol
Post by Jim E
Post by Warhol
Zeebub, revolution is needed.....80% of Americans are so
brainwashed
Post by george
Post by Warhol
Post by Jim E
Post by Warhol
that
Post by Jim E
Post by Warhol
there really is no hope for them. The globalist media has them
under
Post by george
Post by Warhol
Post by Jim E
Post by Warhol
their
Post by Jim E
Post by Warhol
complete controll......
Do not touch the controls.
We control the horizontal.
We control the vertical.
Bwaaahaaahaaaaaaaaa
Jim E
Ay!
im *perfectly* im-perfect
Flawed, badly manufactured, or ill-conceived
God's Work Must Go Forward!
Ah yes, the battle cry of the perpetually brainwashed.
I am very happy for you, tuna. Always good to see you. I'll stop, and let
you fill the page.
Arsehole.
Sorry Charlie. It doesn't take a whole page to refute anything you say.
george
2004-12-18 22:54:04 UTC
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Post by Jim E
Post by Warhol
Post by Jim E
Post by Warhol
Zeebub, revolution is needed.....80% of Americans are so brainwashed
that
Post by Jim E
Post by Warhol
there really is no hope for them. The globalist media has them under
their
Post by Jim E
Post by Warhol
complete controll......
Do not touch the controls.
We control the horizontal.
We control the vertical.
Bwaaahaaahaaaaaaaaa
Jim E
Ay!
im *perfectly* im-perfect
Flawed, badly manufactured, or ill-conceived
Thankfully, the mold was broken.
Warhol
2004-12-19 04:09:43 UTC
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Post by george
Post by Jim E
Post by Warhol
Post by Jim E
Post by Warhol
Zeebub, revolution is needed.....80% of Americans are so brainwashed
that
Post by Jim E
Post by Warhol
there really is no hope for them. The globalist media has them under
their
Post by Jim E
Post by Warhol
complete controll......
Do not touch the controls.
We control the horizontal.
We control the vertical.
Bwaaahaaahaaaaaaaaa
Jim E
Ay!
im *perfectly* im-perfect
Flawed, badly manufactured, or ill-conceived
Thankfully, the mold was broken.
Just coz Jim E says that it doesn't mean it's true
george
2004-12-19 05:24:32 UTC
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Post by Warhol
Post by george
Post by Jim E
Post by Warhol
Post by Jim E
Post by Warhol
Zeebub, revolution is needed.....80% of Americans are so brainwashed
that
Post by Jim E
Post by Warhol
there really is no hope for them. The globalist media has them under
their
Post by Jim E
Post by Warhol
complete controll......
Do not touch the controls.
We control the horizontal.
We control the vertical.
Bwaaahaaahaaaaaaaaa
Jim E
Ay!
im *perfectly* im-perfect
Flawed, badly manufactured, or ill-conceived
Thankfully, the mold was broken.
Just coz Jim E says that it doesn't mean it's true
It doesn't matter who says it. It's still true.
Warhol
2004-12-26 03:56:21 UTC
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Post by george
Post by Warhol
Post by george
Post by Jim E
Post by Warhol
Post by Jim E
Post by Warhol
Zeebub, revolution is needed.....80% of Americans are so brainwashed
that
Post by Jim E
Post by Warhol
there really is no hope for them. The globalist media has them under
their
Post by Jim E
Post by Warhol
complete controll......
Do not touch the controls.
We control the horizontal.
We control the vertical.
Bwaaahaaahaaaaaaaaa
Jim E
Ay!
im *perfectly* im-perfect
Flawed, badly manufactured, or ill-conceived
Thankfully, the mold was broken.
Just coz Jim E says that it doesn't mean it's true
It doesn't matter who says it. It's still true.
Revenge of the Flintstones. What revalation are you espousing.
?????
George
2004-12-26 07:46:52 UTC
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Post by Warhol
Post by george
Post by Warhol
Post by george
Post by Jim E
Post by Warhol
Post by Jim E
Post by Warhol
Zeebub, revolution is needed.....80% of Americans are so
brainwashed
Post by george
Post by Warhol
Post by george
Post by Jim E
Post by Warhol
that
Post by Jim E
Post by Warhol
there really is no hope for them. The globalist media has them
under
Post by george
Post by Warhol
Post by george
Post by Jim E
Post by Warhol
their
Post by Jim E
Post by Warhol
complete controll......
Do not touch the controls.
We control the horizontal.
We control the vertical.
Bwaaahaaahaaaaaaaaa
Jim E
Ay!
im *perfectly* im-perfect
Flawed, badly manufactured, or ill-conceived
Thankfully, the mold was broken.
Just coz Jim E says that it doesn't mean it's true
It doesn't matter who says it. It's still true.
Revenge of the Flintstones. What revalation are you espousing.
?????
Anything you say, Bam-bam.
george
2004-12-18 04:35:16 UTC
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Post by Jim E
Post by Warhol
All Zionists Must Read It..........
iT IS TIME TO TELL THAT ALL ZIONIST WIIL BE PUNISHED BY GOD AND JESUS FOR
EVERYTHING WHAT ZIONISME HAVE DONE BAD IN THIS WORLD, FOR ALL !!!!
We have a Blue Jump suit waiting for you !
Stupid AND drunk, now that's an improvement.
ROFLMFAO
You know your a dork dont you Jim?
Kenneth Arnold
2004-12-18 05:14:15 UTC
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Post by george
Post by Jim E
Post by Warhol
All Zionists Must Read It..........
iT IS TIME TO TELL THAT ALL ZIONIST WIIL BE PUNISHED BY GOD AND JESUS FOR
EVERYTHING WHAT ZIONISME HAVE DONE BAD IN THIS WORLD, FOR ALL !!!!
We have a Blue Jump suit waiting for you !
Stupid AND drunk, now that's an improvement.
ROFLMFAO
You know your a dork dont you Jim?
So... george, do you feel any different living in England and how does
your new Free Forte Agent compare to the Outlook Express you've always used
in the past?
The Revd
2004-12-18 06:00:51 UTC
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On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 21:14:15 -0800, "Kenneth Arnold"
Post by Kenneth Arnold
Post by george
Post by Jim E
Post by Warhol
All Zionists Must Read It..........
iT IS TIME TO TELL THAT ALL ZIONIST WIIL BE PUNISHED BY GOD AND JESUS
FOR
Post by george
Post by Jim E
Post by Warhol
EVERYTHING WHAT ZIONISME HAVE DONE BAD IN THIS WORLD, FOR ALL !!!!
We have a Blue Jump suit waiting for you !
Stupid AND drunk, now that's an improvement.
ROFLMFAO
You know your a dork dont you Jim?
So... george, do you feel any different living in England and how does
your new Free Forte Agent compare to the Outlook Express you've always used
in the past?
Don't ask giorgio anything technical. He gets easily confused.
george
2004-12-18 07:41:45 UTC
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Post by The Revd
On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 21:14:15 -0800, "Kenneth Arnold"
Post by Kenneth Arnold
Post by george
Post by Jim E
Post by Warhol
All Zionists Must Read It..........
iT IS TIME TO TELL THAT ALL ZIONIST WIIL BE PUNISHED BY GOD AND JESUS
FOR
Post by george
Post by Jim E
Post by Warhol
EVERYTHING WHAT ZIONISME HAVE DONE BAD IN THIS WORLD, FOR ALL !!!!
We have a Blue Jump suit waiting for you !
Stupid AND drunk, now that's an improvement.
ROFLMFAO
You know your a dork dont you Jim?
So... george, do you feel any different living in England and how does
your new Free Forte Agent compare to the Outlook Express you've always used
in the past?
Don't ask giorgio anything technical. He gets easily confused.
Dear Sir / Madam,

Thank you for your co-operation in dealing with an Internet abuser.
We are happy to inform you that Tiscali have taken appropriate measures to
prevent the abuser from abusing the service in the future.
Thanks again for bringing this matter to our attention.

Regards,
Tiscali AUP Team
***@uk.tiscali.com
george
2004-12-18 07:40:32 UTC
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Post by Kenneth Arnold
Post by george
Post by Jim E
Post by Warhol
All Zionists Must Read It..........
iT IS TIME TO TELL THAT ALL ZIONIST WIIL BE PUNISHED BY GOD AND JESUS
FOR
Post by george
Post by Jim E
Post by Warhol
EVERYTHING WHAT ZIONISME HAVE DONE BAD IN THIS WORLD, FOR ALL !!!!
We have a Blue Jump suit waiting for you !
Stupid AND drunk, now that's an improvement.
ROFLMFAO
You know your a dork dont you Jim?
So... george, do you feel any different living in England and how does
your new Free Forte Agent compare to the Outlook Express you've always used
in the past?
That wasn't me, it was Gordon Radovich. I've filed a complaint, and received
the following answer from his ISP:

Dear Sir / Madam,

Thank you for your co-operation in dealing with an Internet abuser.
We are happy to inform you that Tiscali have taken appropriate measures to
prevent the abuser from abusing the service in the future.
Thanks again for bringing this matter to our attention.

Regards,
Tiscali AUP Team
***@uk.tiscali.com

Apparently, he is still posting using my identity, so I've filed another
complaint. I never use forte agent, and certainly don't post from ther UK.
Warhol
2004-12-19 04:47:36 UTC
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Post by george
Post by Kenneth Arnold
Post by george
Post by Jim E
Post by Warhol
All Zionists Must Read It..........
iT IS TIME TO TELL THAT ALL ZIONIST WIIL BE PUNISHED BY GOD AND JESUS
FOR
Post by george
Post by Jim E
Post by Warhol
EVERYTHING WHAT ZIONISME HAVE DONE BAD IN THIS WORLD, FOR ALL !!!!
We have a Blue Jump suit waiting for you !
Stupid AND drunk, now that's an improvement.
ROFLMFAO
You know your a dork dont you Jim?
So... george, do you feel any different living in England and how does
your new Free Forte Agent compare to the Outlook Express you've always used
in the past?
That wasn't me, it was Gordon Radovich. I've filed a complaint, and received
Dear Sir / Madam,
Thank you for your co-operation in dealing with an Internet abuser.
We are happy to inform you that Tiscali have taken appropriate measures to
prevent the abuser from abusing the service in the future.
Thanks again for bringing this matter to our attention.
Regards,
Tiscali AUP Team
Apparently, he is still posting using my identity, so I've filed another
complaint. I never use forte agent, and certainly don't post from ther UK.
You violated the rule......Said Santa on Christmas day
george
2004-12-19 05:26:58 UTC
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Post by george
Post by george
Post by Kenneth Arnold
Post by george
Post by Jim E
Post by Warhol
All Zionists Must Read It..........
iT IS TIME TO TELL THAT ALL ZIONIST WIIL BE PUNISHED BY GOD AND
JESUS
Post by george
Post by Kenneth Arnold
FOR
Post by george
Post by Jim E
Post by Warhol
EVERYTHING WHAT ZIONISME HAVE DONE BAD IN THIS WORLD, FOR ALL !!!!
We have a Blue Jump suit waiting for you !
Stupid AND drunk, now that's an improvement.
ROFLMFAO
You know your a dork dont you Jim?
So... george, do you feel any different living in England and how does
your new Free Forte Agent compare to the Outlook Express you've always
used
Post by george
Post by Kenneth Arnold
in the past?
That wasn't me, it was Gordon Radovich. I've filed a complaint, and
received
Post by george
Dear Sir / Madam,
Thank you for your co-operation in dealing with an Internet abuser.
We are happy to inform you that Tiscali have taken appropriate measures
to
Post by george
prevent the abuser from abusing the service in the future.
Thanks again for bringing this matter to our attention.
Regards,
Tiscali AUP Team
Apparently, he is still posting using my identity, so I've filed another
complaint. I never use forte agent, and certainly don't post from ther
UK.
You violated the rule......Said Santa on Christmas day
Really? What rule would that be, Warhabbi? Notice that he has stopped using
Tiscali, and has reverted to using google for his forged posts. So I will have
him banned from google, then he will try another, and I'll have him banned from
that one as well. Eventually, his primary ISP will ban him as well. You, of
all people, know how it works, Warhabbi.
Warhol
2004-12-26 23:05:05 UTC
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Post by george
Post by george
Post by george
Post by Kenneth Arnold
On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 07:48:45 -0800, "Jim E"
Post by Jim E
Post by Warhol
All Zionists Must Read It..........
iT IS TIME TO TELL THAT ALL ZIONIST WIIL BE PUNISHED BY GOD AND
JESUS
Post by george
Post by Kenneth Arnold
FOR
Post by Jim E
Post by Warhol
EVERYTHING WHAT ZIONISME HAVE DONE BAD IN THIS WORLD, FOR ALL !!!!
We have a Blue Jump suit waiting for you !
Stupid AND drunk, now that's an improvement.
ROFLMFAO
You know your a dork dont you Jim?
So... george, do you feel any different living in England and how does
your new Free Forte Agent compare to the Outlook Express you've always
used
Post by george
Post by Kenneth Arnold
in the past?
That wasn't me, it was Gordon Radovich. I've filed a complaint, and
received
Post by george
Dear Sir / Madam,
Thank you for your co-operation in dealing with an Internet abuser.
We are happy to inform you that Tiscali have taken appropriate measures
to
Post by george
prevent the abuser from abusing the service in the future.
Thanks again for bringing this matter to our attention.
Regards,
Tiscali AUP Team
Apparently, he is still posting using my identity, so I've filed another
complaint. I never use forte agent, and certainly don't post from ther
UK.
You violated the rule......Said Santa on Christmas day
Really? What rule would that be, Warhabbi? Notice that he has stopped using
Tiscali, and has reverted to using google for his forged posts. So I will have
him banned from google, then he will try another, and I'll have him banned from
that one as well. Eventually, his primary ISP will ban him as well. You, of
all people, know how it works, Warhabbi.
I have this peculiar tendency to mistrust congenital liars.
Kenneth Arnold
2004-12-19 05:28:59 UTC
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Post by george
Post by george
Post by Kenneth Arnold
Post by george
Post by Jim E
Post by Warhol
All Zionists Must Read It..........
iT IS TIME TO TELL THAT ALL ZIONIST WIIL BE PUNISHED BY GOD AND
JESUS
Post by george
Post by Kenneth Arnold
FOR
Post by george
Post by Jim E
Post by Warhol
EVERYTHING WHAT ZIONISME HAVE DONE BAD IN THIS WORLD, FOR ALL !!!!
We have a Blue Jump suit waiting for you !
Stupid AND drunk, now that's an improvement.
ROFLMFAO
You know your a dork dont you Jim?
So... george, do you feel any different living in England and how does
your new Free Forte Agent compare to the Outlook Express you've always
used
Post by george
Post by Kenneth Arnold
in the past?
That wasn't me, it was Gordon Radovich. I've filed a complaint, and
received
Post by george
Dear Sir / Madam,
Thank you for your co-operation in dealing with an Internet abuser.
We are happy to inform you that Tiscali have taken appropriate measures
to
Post by george
prevent the abuser from abusing the service in the future.
Thanks again for bringing this matter to our attention.
Regards,
Tiscali AUP Team
Apparently, he is still posting using my identity, so I've filed another
complaint. I never use forte agent, and certainly don't post from ther
UK.
You violated the rule......Said Santa on Christmas day
???????

And the mujahadeen have violated our rules every earth day. Soon we will
come from the stars to conquer irakis and take their oil to Zeta Reticuli.

They dare not to mess with the Grayman.

++= We Are Legion =++

____________________________

http://www.karinya.com/travel3.htm
Warhol
2004-12-26 23:07:16 UTC
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Post by Kenneth Arnold
Post by george
Post by george
Post by Kenneth Arnold
On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 07:48:45 -0800, "Jim E"
Post by Jim E
Post by Warhol
All Zionists Must Read It..........
iT IS TIME TO TELL THAT ALL ZIONIST WIIL BE PUNISHED BY GOD AND
JESUS
Post by george
Post by Kenneth Arnold
FOR
Post by Jim E
Post by Warhol
EVERYTHING WHAT ZIONISME HAVE DONE BAD IN THIS WORLD, FOR ALL !!!!
We have a Blue Jump suit waiting for you !
Stupid AND drunk, now that's an improvement.
ROFLMFAO
You know your a dork dont you Jim?
So... george, do you feel any different living in England and how
does
Post by george
Post by george
Post by Kenneth Arnold
your new Free Forte Agent compare to the Outlook Express you've always
used
Post by george
Post by Kenneth Arnold
in the past?
That wasn't me, it was Gordon Radovich. I've filed a complaint, and
received
Post by george
Dear Sir / Madam,
Thank you for your co-operation in dealing with an Internet abuser.
We are happy to inform you that Tiscali have taken appropriate measures
to
Post by george
prevent the abuser from abusing the service in the future.
Thanks again for bringing this matter to our attention.
Regards,
Tiscali AUP Team
Apparently, he is still posting using my identity, so I've filed another
complaint. I never use forte agent, and certainly don't post from ther
UK.
You violated the rule......Said Santa on Christmas day
???????
And the mujahadeen have violated our rules every earth day. Soon we will
come from the stars to conquer irakis and take their oil to Zeta Reticuli.
They dare not to mess with the Grayman.
++= We Are Legion =++
____________________________
http://www.karinya.com/travel3.htm
you are a dead legion

george
2004-12-18 07:37:56 UTC
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Post by george
Post by Jim E
Post by Warhol
All Zionists Must Read It..........
iT IS TIME TO TELL THAT ALL ZIONIST WIIL BE PUNISHED BY GOD AND JESUS FOR
EVERYTHING WHAT ZIONISME HAVE DONE BAD IN THIS WORLD, FOR ALL !!!!
We have a Blue Jump suit waiting for you !
Stupid AND drunk, now that's an improvement.
ROFLMFAO
You know your a dork dont you Jim?
You know they are going to cut you off, Radovich.
Jim E
2004-12-18 15:46:23 UTC
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Post by Jim E
Post by Warhol
All Zionists Must Read It..........
iT IS TIME TO TELL THAT ALL ZIONIST WIIL BE PUNISHED BY GOD AND JESUS FOR
EVERYTHING WHAT ZIONISME HAVE DONE BAD IN THIS WORLD, FOR ALL !!!!
We have a Blue Jump suit waiting for you !
Stupid AND drunk, now that's an improvement.
ROFLMFAO
You know your a dork dont you Jim?
George, George, you there ???

You seem to have suffered a brain removal recently, what happened??


Jim E
The Revd
2004-12-18 16:18:26 UTC
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Post by Warhol
All Zionists Must Read It..........
iT IS TIME TO TELL THAT ALL ZIONIST WIIL BE PUNISHED BY GOD AND JESUS FOR
EVERYTHING WHAT ZIONISME HAVE DONE BAD IN THIS WORLD, FOR ALL !!!!
We have a Blue Jump suit waiting for you !
Stupid AND drunk, now that's an improvement.
ROFLMFAO
You know your a dork dont you Jim?
George, George, you there ???
You seem to have suffered a brain removal recently, what happened??
Giorgio lost the plot some months ago, Jimmy. You won't get any sense
out of him now.
Warhol
2004-12-19 04:35:59 UTC
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Post by george
Post by Jim E
Post by Warhol
All Zionists Must Read It..........
iT IS TIME TO TELL THAT ALL ZIONIST WIIL BE PUNISHED BY GOD AND JESUS FOR
EVERYTHING WHAT ZIONISME HAVE DONE BAD IN THIS WORLD, FOR ALL !!!!
We have a Blue Jump suit waiting for you !
Stupid AND drunk, now that's an improvement.
ROFLMFAO
You know your a dork dont you Jim?
George, George, you there ???
You seem to have suffered a brain removal recently, what happened??
Jim E
Zeebub A masonic messiah? More mystery.
Warhol
2004-12-19 04:34:16 UTC
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Post by Jim E
Post by Warhol
All Zionists Must Read It..........
iT IS TIME TO TELL THAT ALL ZIONIST WIIL BE PUNISHED BY GOD AND JESUS FOR
EVERYTHING WHAT ZIONISME HAVE DONE BAD IN THIS WORLD, FOR ALL !!!!
We have a Blue Jump suit waiting for you !
Stupid AND drunk, now that's an improvement.
ROFLMFAO
You know your a dork dont you Jim?
Tonight's show: Rat vs. Zeebub........
AnonMoos
2004-12-17 19:04:09 UTC
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We have a Blue Jump suit waiting for you !
They have a nice white coat waiting for you -- too bad taht the sleeves
are sewn to the side!
--
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إلا الموت،
«حماس» رسول
الموت (The death-worshipping cult)
Murderers are not martyrs! http://symbolictruth.fateback.com/
Anti-imperialist
2004-12-18 03:37:24 UTC
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AnonMoos wrote:
Sir, in response to your accusation in a previous post, that I support
Arab nationalism completely, totally and absolutely, it is not true. I
have extremely serious criticisms of Arab nationalism, which like all
nationalism, has fascist seeds within it. I am willing to discuss my
criticisms of AN if you like, or you may persist in your delusions about
me.

Furthermore, I certainly disagree that Arab nationalism has "caused more
damage to the Arabs than fundamentalism"!
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Heroes: George Habash, Nayef Hawatmeh, Naji Alloush, Kamal Nasser, Wadi
Haddad, Michel Aflaq, Camilo Torres, Tupac Amaru, Farabundo Marti,
Desallines, Augusto Sandino, Fritz Fanon, Pontiac, John Brown.
AnonMoos
2004-12-18 04:51:34 UTC
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I would say that on the whole radical Arab nationalism has done far
more damage to Arabs over the last 57 years or so than has radical
Sunni Islam, yet for some reason you adore cherish admire and love
radical Arab nationalism. Why is that, Nimpy?
Sir, in response to your accusation in a previous post, that I
support Arab nationalism completely, totally and absolutely, it is
not true. I have extremely serious criticisms of Arab nationalism,
which like all nationalism, has fascist seeds within it. I am
willing to discuss my criticisms of AN if you like, or you may
persist in your delusions about me. Furthermore, I certainly
disagree that Arab nationalism has "caused more damage to the Arabs
than fundamentalism"!
Hasn't it? It was radical Arab nationalism which prevented any
compromise from being reached on the Israel issue in 1947-1948, and
which largely kept the destructive conflict alive militarily for the
next 35 years; and which also pointed Arabs towards autocratic
government combined with a bastard pseudo-"socialist" economic statist
ideology, neither of which has turned out to serve the Arabs well.
In some ways, Saddam Hussein was the logical culmination and epitome
of various trends in radical Arab nationalism.
--
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الجزية ولسنا
صاغرين (٢٩ We will fight for
our freedom! Murderers are not martyrs! http://symbolictruth.fateback.com/
Anti-imperialist
2004-12-18 06:13:18 UTC
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Post by Anti-imperialist
I would say that on the whole radical Arab nationalism has done far
more damage to Arabs over the last 57 years or so than has radical
Sunni Islam, yet for some reason you adore cherish admire and love
radical Arab nationalism. Why is that, Nimpy?
Sir, in response to your accusation in a previous post, that I
support Arab nationalism completely, totally and absolutely, it is
not true. I have extremely serious criticisms of Arab nationalism,
which like all nationalism, has fascist seeds within it. I am
willing to discuss my criticisms of AN if you like, or you may
persist in your delusions about me. Furthermore, I certainly
disagree that Arab nationalism has "caused more damage to the Arabs
than fundamentalism"!
Hasn't it? It was radical Arab nationalism which prevented any
compromise from being reached on the Israel issue in 1947-1948,
GOOD!
Post by AnonMoos
and
which largely kept the destructive conflict alive militarily for the
next 35 years;
GOOD!
Post by AnonMoos
and which also pointed Arabs towards autocratic
government
This is a problem, but most Arab regimes these days are not that Arab
nationalist, and they are all dictatorships anyway. The Arab
nationalist regimes are dictatorships, the Islamist regimes are
dictatorships, the pro-US bought-off, whored-out regimes are
dictatorships......on and on.....Does Arab nationalism say we must have
a dictatorship? Although the founders of the Baath Party were wrongly
opposed to democracy as "recipe for chaos" I do not think there is
anything inherent in the ideology that mandates this.
Post by AnonMoos
combined with a bastard pseudo-"socialist" economic statist
ideology,
Well, the fact that these regimes practiced a more corrupt nepotistic
phony socialism as opposed to something real is no fault of Arab
nationalism. In fact, hardline Arab nationalists are really critical of
most Arab regimes right now, except maybe Syria.

neither of which has turned out to serve the Arabs well.

I disagree on the socialism bit, because most Arab countries don't
really have it and it worked pretty well while it was being done.
Nasser did more for the Arab working class than any Arab in the 20th
Century - most people don't realize that. Saddam's socialism worked
quite well. Libya did a lot of good things for their people but once
again you had a lot of corruption. Algerian socialism worked great
while the oil poured in. This bit about "the failure of Arab socialism"
is basically a US reactionary lie. As we can see in Iraq, going from
Saddam's socialism to US "freemarketeerism" is proving be a total
disaster. Syria's not so well because it is so corrupt. In most other
places, it is just a corrupt kleptocracy and not any kind of real
socialism.
Post by AnonMoos
In some ways, Saddam Hussein was the logical culmination and epitome
of various trends in radical Arab nationalism.
Unfortunately this is true. However, the fact is that most Arabs simply
ARE Arab nationalists, so the notion that Arab nationalism is somehow
some kind of "evil ideology" is just nonsense. The Arab nationalists
are NOT going to go away as this philosophy represents that of the Arab
masses into the forseeable future. Nationalist projects can vary - I
support a renewed Arab nationalism purged of the fascism, racism,
dictatorship, tribal morality and brutality that this philosophy has
been infected with.

Note that the original Baath manifesto was opposed to TRIBALISM, RACISM,
etc. And look what Saddam and the Syrians have done. This is really a
deviation from the original project.

Right now there is basically a choice between Islamism and Arab
nationalism and pro-US, bought-off, whored-out dictatorship. The US and
Israel have always hated Arab nationalism because it is the state
ideology that ever stood up to Western imperialism and Israeli
colonialism - that what all the screaming against AN is all about. AN
is hated for its militancy and its defiance and refusal to be neutered,
bought-off and turned into weak, wimpy pro-US sellouts that don't
threaten US imperialism or Israel.
--
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http://www.farcep.org Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (FARC)
Heroes: George Habash, Nayef Hawatmeh, Naji Alloush, Kamal Nasser, Wadi
Haddad, Michel Aflaq, Camilo Torres, Tupac Amaru, Farabundo Marti,
Desallines, Augusto Sandino, Fritz Fanon, Pontiac, John Brown.
AnonMoos
2004-12-18 14:31:19 UTC
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I would say that on the whole radical Arab nationalism has done
far more damage to Arabs over the last 57 years or so than has
radical Sunni Islam, yet for some reason you adore cherish admire
and love radical Arab nationalism.
in response to your accusation that I support Arab nationalism
completely, totally and absolutely, it is not true. I have
extremely serious criticisms of Arab nationalism, which like all
nationalism, has fascist seeds within it. I am willing to discuss
my criticisms of AN if you like, or you may persist in your
delusions about me. Furthermore, I certainly disagree that Arab
nationalism has "caused more damage to the Arabs than
fundamentalism"!
Hasn't it? It was radical Arab nationalism which prevented any
compromise from being reached on the Israel issue in 1947-1948, and
which largely kept the destructive conflict alive militarily for
the next 35 years;
GOOD! GOOD!
It's nice for you that you're filled with such overwhelming feelings
of joyful glee -- but as a practical matter, the Arab absolute refusal
to recognize the existence of Israel, and rigid inflexible insistence
on extirpating and eradicating Israel, was a prominent cause of
Palestinian displacement and suffering, played a large role in
thrusting the middle east into the cockpit of the U.S.-Soviet cold war
conflict, and was something which over the long term the Arabs found
that they couldn't really afford (not to mention that the whole
Israeli-Arab conflict was a major distraction from focusing on
Arab-internal development). In short, the policy simply wasn't
sustainable -- and when the Arab countries finally started to come to
the table from the late 1970's through the 1990's, they found that
they hadn't achieved anything by their decades of intransigeant
rejectionism and refusal to compromise, except that the Palestinians
now had to negotiate for something which would be much less than what
they could have had freely for the asking back on November 29th 1947.
Post by AnonMoos
and which also pointed Arabs towards autocratic government
This is a problem, but most Arab regimes these days are not that
Arab nationalist, and they are all dictatorships anyway. The Arab
nationalist regimes are dictatorships, the Islamist regimes are
dictatorships, the pro-US bought-off, whored-out regimes are
dictatorships......on and on.....Does Arab nationalism say we must
have a dictatorship?
I don't know that most versions of pan-Arabist ideology explicitly
REQUIRE autocracy, but they generally insist that the highest
priorities are pan-Arab unity, development of Arab governmental and
military strength, and destroying Israel -- so that democracy is
generally an extremely subordinate and secondary priority at best.

If you combine the fact that Arabs have no real history of democracy
with the fact that Arab nationalist and Muslim religious ideologies
generally do not set a high priority on democracy (or don't even value
it very highly at all), then it's not surprising that no Arab
countries are real democracies.
Although the founders of the Baath Party were wrongly opposed to
democracy as "recipe for chaos" I do not think there is anything
inherent in the ideology that mandates this.
From the formative years of the 1930's through the 1960's, many Arab
nationalists at first thought that Fascism was the wave of the future,
then that Communism was the wave of the future. How surprising it is
that there's so little democracy, then!
Post by AnonMoos
combined with a bastard pseudo-"socialist" economic statist
ideology,
Well, the fact that these regimes practiced a more corrupt
nepotistic phony socialism as opposed to something real is no fault
of Arab nationalism.
Even if there had been less corruption, bureaucratic statist socialism
wouldn't have turned out all that well. There were a few meaningful
accomplishments in the period after independence (such as some of
Nasser's land reforms), but it seems that many Arab governments didn't
really even want true economic development if this would make people
feel less dependent on the government, and so threaten central regime
control. Governments preferred shiny official prestige projects (like
the Aswan dam) to loosening bureaucratic restrictions and seeing what
people could do in the way of wealth-creation. If various Arab
countries hadn't received a windfall of oil revenues (unearned
"rents", in economic terminology), then the Arab countries probably
wouldn't be all that far ahead of sub-Saharan Africa economically.
In fact, hardline Arab nationalists are really critical of most Arab
regimes right now,
Trotskyists were really critical of most Communist regimes back then.
except maybe Syria.
Oh, so they love His Royal Majesty Bashshar I, scion of the hereditary
monarchical Assad dynasty, do they? Considering that Syria isn't even
a true Republic, Nasser would be turning in his grave!
Post by AnonMoos
In some ways, Saddam Hussein was the logical culmination and
epitome of various trends in radical Arab nationalism.
Unfortunately this is true. However, the fact is that most Arabs
simply ARE Arab nationalists, so the notion that Arab nationalism is
somehow some kind of "evil ideology" is just nonsense.
I don't know that Pan-Arabist Nationalism is inherently "evil", but
the way that it has worked itself out in real-world events has ended
up causing much evil -- and since none of its more grandiose or
far-reaching aspirations have been achieved, it's hard to judge it to
be anything other than a failure, overall.
The Arab nationalists are NOT going to go away as this philosophy
represents that of the Arab masses into the forseeable future.
They will remain Arabs and nationalists, but the attractions of the
particular Nasserist variety of Pan-Arabism (among other things) is
greatly diminished from the 1960's or late 1950's, from what I can
tell.
Nationalist projects can vary - I support a renewed Arab nationalism
purged of the fascism, racism, dictatorship, tribal morality and
brutality that this philosophy has been infected with.
Good luck!
Note that the original Baath manifesto was opposed to TRIBALISM,
RACISM, etc.
Yes -- the Ba`thists wanted Arabs to have one single undivided loyalty
to the pan-Arab state, undiminished by any secondary identities (such
as tribal descent, "regional" origin, religious affiliation, etc).
This really has more to do with a philosophy of statism (not entirely
free of fascist influences) than it has to do with idealistic notions
of non-discrimination.
Arab nationalism because it is the state ideology that ever stood up
to Western imperialism and Israeli colonialism
It's certainly done that -- the question is whether it's accomplished
anything positive.
--
Hamas motto: لا إله لهم
إلا الموت،
«حماس» رسول
الموت (The death-worshipping cult)
Murderers are not martyrs! http://symbolictruth.fateback.com/
Anti-imperialist
2004-12-19 02:57:33 UTC
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Post by AnonMoos
I would say that on the whole radical Arab nationalism has done
far more damage to Arabs over the last 57 years or so than has
radical Sunni Islam, yet for some reason you adore cherish admire
and love radical Arab nationalism.
in response to your accusation that I support Arab nationalism
completely, totally and absolutely, it is not true. I have
extremely serious criticisms of Arab nationalism, which like all
nationalism, has fascist seeds within it. I am willing to discuss
my criticisms of AN if you like, or you may persist in your
delusions about me. Furthermore, I certainly disagree that Arab
nationalism has "caused more damage to the Arabs than
fundamentalism"!
Hasn't it? It was radical Arab nationalism which prevented any
compromise from being reached on the Israel issue in 1947-1948, and
which largely kept the destructive conflict alive militarily for
the next 35 years;
GOOD! GOOD!
It's nice for you that you're filled with such overwhelming feelings
of joyful glee -- but as a practical matter, the Arab absolute refusal
to recognize the existence of Israel, and rigid inflexible insistence
on extirpating and eradicating Israel, was a prominent cause of
Palestinian displacement and suffering, played a large role in
thrusting the middle east into the cockpit of the U.S.-Soviet cold war
conflict,
Only after 1967, and especially after 1973. Before that, not so much,
really.
Post by AnonMoos
and was something which over the long term the Arabs found
that they couldn't really afford (not to mention that the whole
Israeli-Arab conflict was a major distraction from focusing on
Arab-internal development). In short, the policy simply wasn't
sustainable -- and when the Arab countries finally started to come to
the table from the late 1970's through the 1990's, they found that
they hadn't achieved anything by their decades of intransigeant
rejectionism and refusal to compromise, except that the Palestinians
now had to negotiate for something which would be much less than what
they could have had freely for the asking back on November 29th 1947.
Yeh well.......I think that's noble. Refusing to compromise, holding
out for one's ideals. I'm not into pragmatism, really. I'm an
idealist, not a pragmatist. Pragmatism is usually nothing but
defeatism.
Post by AnonMoos
Post by AnonMoos
and which also pointed Arabs towards autocratic government
This is a problem, but most Arab regimes these days are not that
Arab nationalist, and they are all dictatorships anyway. The Arab
nationalist regimes are dictatorships, the Islamist regimes are
dictatorships, the pro-US bought-off, whored-out regimes are
dictatorships......on and on.....Does Arab nationalism say we must
have a dictatorship?
I don't know that most versions of pan-Arabist ideology explicitly
REQUIRE autocracy, but they generally insist that the highest
priorities are pan-Arab unity, development of Arab governmental and
military strength, and destroying Israel -- so that democracy is
generally an extremely subordinate and secondary priority at best.
Well it doesn't have to be that way......
Post by AnonMoos
If you combine the fact that Arabs have no real history of democracy
with the fact that Arab nationalist and Muslim religious ideologies
generally do not set a high priority on democracy (or don't even value
it very highly at all), then it's not surprising that no Arab
countries are real democracies.
I wouldn't blame it all on Arab nationalism. The Arab dictators just
want power. They will use any BS excuse they can - Arab nationalism,
Islamism, terrorism, state of emergency, threat of Islamism, etc. to
keep their power. They are just run of the mill dictators and nowadays
most of them don't even have much to AN or Islamism anymore, and they
are still total dictators. Now they are pro-US dictators. So go
figure.
Post by AnonMoos
Although the founders of the Baath Party were wrongly opposed to
democracy as "recipe for chaos" I do not think there is anything
inherent in the ideology that mandates this.
From the formative years of the 1930's through the 1960's, many Arab
nationalists at first thought that Fascism was the wave of the future,
I don't know much about that.
Post by AnonMoos
then that Communism was the wave of the future. How surprising it is
that there's so little democracy, then!
The ones that I hung out with were Leftists. They supported Saddam
Hussein (most of them). There were some Iraqi Arab Nationalists on
there who hated Saddam though.
Post by AnonMoos
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combined with a bastard pseudo-"socialist" economic statist
ideology,
Well, the fact that these regimes practiced a more corrupt
nepotistic phony socialism as opposed to something real is no fault
of Arab nationalism.
Even if there had been less corruption, bureaucratic statist socialism
wouldn't have turned out all that well.
Well, in Iraq I think Saddam did a very good job of developing his
regime. Anywhere else, it's really been mixed economies, and there is a
tremendous amount of private sector activity in the Arab World, but I
think the private sector is sort of corrupted with these monopolistic
companies, such that entry of new actors is difficult. They make it
hard for new people to break in.

There were a few meaningful
Post by AnonMoos
accomplishments in the period after independence (such as some of
Nasser's land reforms),
Iraq did a fantastic job of developing and so did Syria. Those
countries were feudalistic backwaters in the 50's. Arab nationalists
brought those countries up from nothing.
Post by AnonMoos
but it seems that many Arab governments didn't
really even want true economic development if this would make people
feel less dependent on the government, and so threaten central regime
control.
I don't think so, it's more like nepotistic monopolies run the show and
won't let other actors in. It's more that than any kind of socialism.

Governments preferred shiny official prestige projects (like
Post by AnonMoos
the Aswan dam) to loosening bureaucratic restrictions and seeing what
people could do in the way of wealth-creation.
I can't comment except that in Iraq there were a tremendous number of
businessmen. I mean you go to Baghdad and there are businesses
everywhere, in Fallujah, in the south.....what is this crap about "the
government won't let people make money in business"? It's just a
goddamn freemarketeer lie. There were a number of government industries
in Iraq, but they provided good cheap products for the masses, and
supplied them well. Now that Iraq has gone "freemarket" they are trying
to shut down all the state industries and no one can afford the stuff
anymore.

If various Arab
Post by AnonMoos
countries hadn't received a windfall of oil revenues (unearned
"rents", in economic terminology), then the Arab countries probably
wouldn't be all that far ahead of sub-Saharan Africa economically.
Hmmm, I really don't know what to say to that. I have a lot of contacts
with people in subSaharan Africa right now, and certain countries are
not any kind of economic basket cases at all. I kind of resent the way
the place is portrayed, frankly. The country where I have friends now
is growing at 5% a year and there is certainly a lot of economic
activity!
Post by AnonMoos
In fact, hardline Arab nationalists are really critical of most Arab
regimes right now,
Trotskyists were really critical of most Communist regimes back then.
The Arab nationalists say that most of the regimes now are not Arab
nationalist at all, or progressive in any way. Most of them are
"reactionary" regimes that are "occupied" by US imperialism. They are
considered to be colonies of the US that are in need of being
liberated. Occupied territories if you will.
Post by AnonMoos
except maybe Syria.
Oh, so they love His Royal Majesty Bashshar I, scion of the hereditary
monarchical Assad dynasty, do they?
Hard to say, but most of them will at least say that it's one of the
last real hardline Arab Nationalist regimes that has the balls to stand
up to US imperialism and Israel. They don't talk about Syria much.
Sadly, I noted that many of them supported Saddam's regime and the Baath
(especially after the US conquered the place).

Considering that Syria isn't even
Post by AnonMoos
a true Republic, Nasser would be turning in his grave!
I don't understand the comment.....
Post by AnonMoos
Post by AnonMoos
In some ways, Saddam Hussein was the logical culmination and
epitome of various trends in radical Arab nationalism.
Unfortunately this is true. However, the fact is that most Arabs
simply ARE Arab nationalists, so the notion that Arab nationalism is
somehow some kind of "evil ideology" is just nonsense.
I don't know that Pan-Arabist Nationalism is inherently "evil", but
the way that it has worked itself out in real-world events has ended
up causing much evil -- and since none of its more grandiose or
far-reaching aspirations have been achieved, it's hard to judge it to
be anything other than a failure, overall.
There are really only 3 games in town in the Arab World:

1. Islamist reactionary bullshit
2. Pro-US, sold-out, whored-out regimes tolerant of Israel
3. Some sort of Arab nationalist type secular regime

That's all that's playing at the theater.
Post by AnonMoos
The Arab nationalists are NOT going to go away as this philosophy
represents that of the Arab masses into the forseeable future.
They will remain Arabs and nationalists, but the attractions of the
particular Nasserist variety of Pan-Arabism (among other things) is
greatly diminished from the 1960's or late 1950's, from what I can
tell.
I'm not sure what you mean. You will see a lot of Arab solidarity in
the Arab World. That's what all the concern about the Palestinians is
all about - it's Arab nationalist solidarity, same with sympathy for the
Iraqi resistance. The Arabs who poured into Iraq during the war and
after the war, unless they were radical Islamists, were often driven by
an Arab solidarity. That's all AN is to me - a sense of solidarity in
the Arab World with one another, and a refusal to identify so much with
one Arab country or one Arab tribe or one Arab religion.....that sort of
thing. From what I can tell, that sentiment is very much alive!
Post by AnonMoos
Nationalist projects can vary - I support a renewed Arab nationalism
purged of the fascism, racism, dictatorship, tribal morality and
brutality that this philosophy has been infected with.
Good luck!
Note that the original Baath manifesto was opposed to TRIBALISM,
RACISM, etc.
Yes -- the Ba`thists wanted Arabs to have one single undivided loyalty
to the pan-Arab state,
That's not really good. That sounds like fascism. Really, the pan-Arab
state ought to serve the people, not the people serve the state. The
Left State serves the people. In the fascist far right state, the
people serve the state.

undiminished by any secondary identities (such
Post by AnonMoos
as tribal descent, "regional" origin, religious affiliation, etc).
Well now you see that is a good thing. Look at Iraq and tell where all
this sectarian shit gets anyone.
Post by AnonMoos
This really has more to do with a philosophy of statism (not entirely
free of fascist influences) than it has to do with idealistic notions
of non-discrimination.
I suppose, but I knew a guy who filled out forms to join the Baath Party
in Syria in high school. It took hours to fill them out, and there was
not one single question on there about race.
Post by AnonMoos
Arab nationalism because it is the state ideology that ever stood up
to Western imperialism and Israeli colonialism
It's certainly done that -- the question is whether it's accomplished
anything positive.
I believe in fighting to the bitter end and holding fast to a principle,
not defeatist notions like, "Is this battle really pragmatic?"
"Wouldn't it be more pragmatic to just hang it up and sell out?"
--
http://www.pflp.net Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP)
http://www.farcep.org Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (FARC)
Heroes: George Habash, Nayef Hawatmeh, Naji Alloush, Kamal Nasser, Wadi
Haddad, Michel Aflaq, Camilo Torres, Tupac Amaru, Farabundo Marti,
Desallines, Augusto Sandino, Fritz Fanon, Pontiac, John Brown.
AnonMoos
2004-12-19 13:27:19 UTC
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I don't know that Pan-Arabist Nationalism is an inherently "evil"
ideology, but the way that it has worked itself out in real-world
events has ended up causing much evil -- and since none of its more
grandiose or far-reaching aspirations have been achieved, it's hard
to judge it to be anything other than a failure, overall.
1. Islamist reactionary bullshit
2. Pro-US, sold-out, whored-out regimes tolerant of Israel
3. Some sort of Arab nationalist type secular regime
That's all that's playing at the theater.
That's a rather sad and pitiful commentary of despair! Too bad that
there can't be any positive humanistic progressive forward-looking
democratic human-rights-oriented and humane political philosophy on
the table. You seem to be far more pessimistic about the fate of the
Arab world than I am!
Post by Anti-imperialist
Refusing to compromise, holding out for one's ideals.......I think
that's noble. I'm not into pragmatism, really. I'm an idealist,
not a pragmatist. Pragmatism is usually nothing but defeatism.
I believe in fighting to the bitter end and holding fast to a principle,
not defeatist notions like, "Is this battle really pragmatic?"
"Wouldn't it be more pragmatic to just hang it up and sell out?"
That's just plain stupid and idiotic. It's by following advice like
yours that the Palestinians now find themselves in just about the
worst shape they've ever been -- suffering greatly, and having to jump
through hoops to enter into a new round of final status negotiations
where they'll have to bargain hard in order to receive just a fraction
of what they could have had freely for the asking back on November
29th 1947. When it's said that "The Palestinians never miss an
opportunity to miss an opportunity", the reason is that they're too
heavily influenced by bozos like you!
--
Hamas motto: لا إله لهم
إلا الموت،
«حماس» رسول
الموت (The death-worshipping cult)
Murderers are not martyrs! http://symbolictruth.fateback.com/
LeMod Pol
2004-12-19 18:27:05 UTC
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I don't know that Pan-Arabist Nationalism is an inherently "evil"
ideology,
The fact is - there is no arab "nationalism" only tribalism.

The ultimate objective is a global caliphate and each
tribe is jostling for eminence. - the same jostling
that has continued since the seventh century death of
the so called 'prophet' Muhammad.

It would appear to some, that King Abdullah II of the
'Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan' is preparing to recapture
the lands taken from his Great Great Grandfather
Hussain bin Ali, the Sharif of Mecca by Ibn Sa'ud

From M-ID: <***@igs.net>


Through his great-grandfather, the prophet Muhammad
was himself a Hashemite, a subdivision of the Quraysh
tribe of what is now Saudi Arabia. The most revered
Hashemite line then passed through Hassan, son of the
Prophet's daughter Fatima and her husband Ali, the
fourth caliph. Hassan was the last of this line to hold
the disputed claim to the caliphate, but his progeny
eventually established themselves as hereditary emirs
of Mecca, the role continuing under Ottoman rule. The
last of the line to rule as emir of Mecca and King of
Hijaz along the Red Sea was Hussain bin Ali. Ibn Sa'ud,
the founder of Saudi Arabia, conquered the Hijaz in
1924 and deposed Hussein, thus ending Hashemite rule of
the region and the holy places of Islam.

The new Saudi dynasty, supported by the Wahhabi Muslim
sect, proclaimed itself Guardians of the Shrines of
Islam

Hussein's dispossessed sons, Abdullah and Faisal, were
later placed on the newly-created thrones of Amman and
Baghdad, respectively. The Hashemite line survived in
Jordan but not in Baghdad. Faisal was assassinated on
July 14, 1958 in a military coup that soon led to the
rise of Saddam Hussein at the head of the Baath regime.

...

In November 1979, Sa'udi Crown Prince Fahd, son of Ibn
Sa'ud and incumbent albeit incapacitated ruler of the
oil kingdom, appealed to Jordan's King Hussein for help
to put down a revolt against the throne mounted by
Wahhabi Muslim radicals, led by Otheiba tribesmen. The
rebels had got as far as seizing the Grand Mosque in
Mecca, claiming the corrupt Sa'udi crown was unfit to
guard the holy places.

These fundamentalists later spawned Osama bin Laden
and still nourish his al-Qa'eda network. The Saudis
desperately needed Jordanian commandos to dislodge
these early terrorists from the mosque.

Hussein agreed to the request but with a key proviso:
The Sa'udi royal family must hand over a section of the
Hijaz province where Hashemite Jordan's historic
territorial rights would be recognized henceforth.

Realizing this would be tantamount to opening the door
to the Hashemites' return to their ancestral land Fahd
refused and turned to France instead.

--
LP

"We are fighting today for security, for progress,
and for peace, not only for ourselves but for all
men, not only for one generation but for all
generations. We are fighting to cleanse the world
of ancient evils, ancient ills."

Franklin Delano Roosevelt
State of the Union Address - 1942
Anti-imperialist
2004-12-20 00:49:09 UTC
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Post by LeMod Pol
I don't know that Pan-Arabist Nationalism is an inherently "evil"
ideology,
The fact is - there is no arab "nationalism" only tribalism.
Not really. There is both Arab nationalism and tribalism. Arab
nationalism was proposed as an antidote to tribalism, but tribalism dies
hard.
Post by LeMod Pol
The ultimate objective is a global caliphate
Not true. Only 14% of Arabs support bin Laden's caliphate.
Post by LeMod Pol
and each
tribe is jostling for eminence. - the same jostling
that has continued since the seventh century death of
the so called 'prophet' Muhammad.
It's called ethnic competition. You JEWS know all about ethnic
competition now DON'T you?

<snip>

The great noble goal of Arab nationalism was to put a damper on this
shit but it will take a lot to temper the Arabs' tribalism.
--
http://www.pflp.net Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP)
http://www.farcep.org Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (FARC)
Heroes: George Habash, Nayef Hawatmeh, Naji Alloush, Kamal Nasser, Wadi
Haddad, Michel Aflaq, Camilo Torres, Tupac Amaru, Farabundo Marti,
Desallines, Augusto Sandino, Fritz Fanon, Pontiac, John Brown.
LeMod Pol
2004-12-20 03:06:54 UTC
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Post by Anti-imperialist
Post by LeMod Pol
I don't know that Pan-Arabist Nationalism is an inherently "evil"
ideology,
The fact is - there is no arab "nationalism" only tribalism.
Not really. There is both Arab nationalism and tribalism. Arab
nationalism was proposed as an antidote to tribalism, but tribalism dies
hard.
You know nothing of what you speak --- EVER!
Post by Anti-imperialist
Post by LeMod Pol
The ultimate objective is a global caliphate
Not true. Only 14% of Arabs support bin Laden's caliphate.
How do you propose to prove that piece of silliness?
Did I say anything about "bin Laden's caliphate."?
What about HT's caliphate?? Khameini's??? Abdullah the
Hashemite direct descendent of the Ali the 4th Caliph????
Post by Anti-imperialist
Post by LeMod Pol
and each
tribe is jostling for eminence. - the same jostling
that has continued since the seventh century death of
the so called 'prophet' Muhammad.
It's called ethnic competition.
How you manage to get so deep in the swamp without
drowning is amazing.

However by your own admission you are nothing but an
ignorant, islamofascist jackass.

You need a new set of idols - jackass!

--
LP

"We are fighting today for security, for progress,
and for peace, not only for ourselves but for all
men, not only for one generation but for all
generations. We are fighting to cleanse the world
of ancient evils, ancient ills."

Franklin Delano Roosevelt
State of the Union Address - 1942
Anti-imperialist
2004-12-20 03:11:04 UTC
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Post by LeMod Pol
Post by Anti-imperialist
Post by LeMod Pol
I don't know that Pan-Arabist Nationalism is an inherently "evil"
ideology,
The fact is - there is no arab "nationalism" only tribalism.
Not really. There is both Arab nationalism and tribalism. Arab
nationalism was proposed as an antidote to tribalism, but tribalism dies
hard.
Thx you you obnoxious Jewboy Zionist asshole.
Post by LeMod Pol
You know nothing of what you speak --- EVER!
Post by Anti-imperialist
Post by LeMod Pol
The ultimate objective is a global caliphate
Not true. Only 14% of Arabs support bin Laden's caliphate.
How do you propose to prove that piece of silliness?
Only 14% of Arabs want to have a "Taliban-style" fundamentalist (Sunni)
regime. That was a poll not too long ago. That is what Al Qaeda wants
- a Taliban-style caliphate.
Post by LeMod Pol
Did I say anything about "bin Laden's caliphate."?
You didn't have to. The only Muslims nowadays who support the caliphate
support bin Laden and Al Qaeda's vision of a Taliban-style
fundamentalist Sunni regime with a caliphate encompassing all Muslim
lands and all non-Muslims to be thrown out of the caliphate.
Post by LeMod Pol
What about HT's caliphate??
Hizb ut Tahrhir differs from bin Ladenism only in that they think the
caliphate has to be voted in, and they don't believe in violence.
However, their Sunni fundamentalism is the same as Al Qaeda's. I KNOW -
I have spoken with HT folks - HAVE YOU, loudmouth Jew?
Post by LeMod Pol
Khameini's???
Khameini is Shia and he does not advocate any kind of caliphate at all,
unless you can tell me something new here, know-it-all obnoxious Jew.
Post by LeMod Pol
Abdullah the
Hashemite direct descendent of the Ali the 4th Caliph????
King Abdullah of Jordan, the sellout Zionist-loving whore of the US who
spends all his time sucking George Bush's and Ariel Sharon's cocks, is a
fucking traitor who needs to be killed right now. Abdullah certainly
does not support any kind of a caliphate whatsoever. It's really a
marginal concept in the Arab World.
Post by LeMod Pol
Post by Anti-imperialist
Post by LeMod Pol
and each
tribe is jostling for eminence. - the same jostling
that has continued since the seventh century death of
the so called 'prophet' Muhammad.
It's called ethnic competition.
How you manage to get so deep in the swamp without
drowning is amazing.
What else is it, arrogant Jew?
Post by LeMod Pol
However by your own admission you are nothing but an
ignorant, islamofascist jackass.
I'm not, I am a Christian, and I am trying to figure out who more
deserves to be killed, the fascist Zionist Jew dogs like you, or the
fundamentalist Sunni Muslim pigs running amok in our world!
--
http://www.pflp.net Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP)
http://www.farcep.org Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (FARC)
Heroes: George Habash, Nayef Hawatmeh, Naji Alloush, Kamal Nasser, Wadi
Haddad, Michel Aflaq, Camilo Torres, Tupac Amaru, Farabundo Marti,
Desallines, Augusto Sandino, Fritz Fanon, Pontiac, John Brown.
Anti-imperialist
2004-12-20 00:32:29 UTC
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Post by AnonMoos
Post by Anti-imperialist
I don't know that Pan-Arabist Nationalism is an inherently "evil"
ideology, but the way that it has worked itself out in real-world
events has ended up causing much evil -- and since none of its more
grandiose or far-reaching aspirations have been achieved, it's hard
to judge it to be anything other than a failure, overall.
1. Islamist reactionary bullshit
2. Pro-US, sold-out, whored-out regimes tolerant of Israel
3. Some sort of Arab nationalist type secular regime
That's all that's playing at the theater.
That's a rather sad and pitiful commentary of despair!
Yep.

Too bad that
Post by AnonMoos
there can't be any positive humanistic progressive forward-looking
democratic human-rights-oriented and humane political philosophy on
the table.
There is, I suppose, but I'm not sure what your definition above means.
I suspect it means something like: "Stop resisting US imperialism and
Israeli colonialism in the Middle East". There is a reform movement in
Saudi Arabia and Kuwait that promotes democracy, free speech and an end
to torture. I don't know much about the rest of the area.

You seem to be far more pessimistic about the fate of the
Post by AnonMoos
Arab world than I am!
I know these people well, and you do not. They are a bunch of
uncivilized animals. What was said about them in the 1200's is true
today.
Post by AnonMoos
Post by Anti-imperialist
Refusing to compromise, holding out for one's ideals.......I think
that's noble. I'm not into pragmatism, really. I'm an idealist,
not a pragmatist. Pragmatism is usually nothing but defeatism.
I believe in fighting to the bitter end and holding fast to a principle,
not defeatist notions like, "Is this battle really pragmatic?"
"Wouldn't it be more pragmatic to just hang it up and sell out?"
That's just plain stupid and idiotic. It's by following advice like
yours that the Palestinians now find themselves in just about the
worst shape they've ever been -- suffering greatly, and having to jump
through hoops to enter into a new round of final status negotiations
where they'll have to bargain hard in order to receive just a fraction
of what they could have had freely for the asking back on November
29th 1947. When it's said that "The Palestinians never miss an
opportunity to miss an opportunity",
Translation: Palestinians never fail to miss an opportunity to miss an
opportunity (to sell out and surrender).

the reason is that they're too
Post by AnonMoos
heavily influenced by bozos like you!
Yes I am a bozo.
--
http://www.pflp.net Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP)
http://www.farcep.org Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (FARC)
Heroes: George Habash, Nayef Hawatmeh, Naji Alloush, Kamal Nasser, Wadi
Haddad, Michel Aflaq, Camilo Torres, Tupac Amaru, Farabundo Marti,
Desallines, Augusto Sandino, Fritz Fanon, Pontiac, John Brown.
FreedomAlways
2004-12-20 17:31:44 UTC
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On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 16:32:29 -0800, Anti-imperialist
Post by Anti-imperialist
I know these people well, and you do not. They are a bunch of
uncivilized animals. What was said about them in the 1200's is true
today.
Yes I am a bozo.
Very good. At least you know your place.

Just exactly *how* do you know them well?

You said it, but I don't believe it.
i***@mistral.net
2004-12-18 19:56:00 UTC
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On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 19:37:24 -0800, Anti-imperialist
Post by Anti-imperialist
Sir, in response to your accusation in a previous post, that I support
Arab nationalism completely, totally and absolutely, it is not true. I
have extremely serious criticisms of Arab nationalism, which like all
nationalism, has fascist seeds within it. I am willing to discuss my
criticisms of AN if you like, or you may persist in your delusions about
me.
Furthermore, I certainly disagree that Arab nationalism has "caused more
damage to the Arabs than fundamentalism"!
America sees it as terrorism.
Ed
2004-12-18 22:25:46 UTC
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Post by i***@mistral.net
On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 19:37:24 -0800, Anti-imperialist
Post by Anti-imperialist
Sir, in response to your accusation in a previous post, that I support
Arab nationalism completely, totally and absolutely, it is not true. I
have extremely serious criticisms of Arab nationalism, which like all
nationalism, has fascist seeds within it. I am willing to discuss my
criticisms of AN if you like, or you may persist in your delusions about
me.
Furthermore, I certainly disagree that Arab nationalism has "caused more
damage to the Arabs than fundamentalism"!
America sees it as terrorism.
Anyone with eyes sees it as terrorism.
Anti-imperialist
2004-12-19 03:25:29 UTC
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Post by Ed
Post by i***@mistral.net
On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 19:37:24 -0800, Anti-imperialist
Post by Anti-imperialist
Sir, in response to your accusation in a previous post, that I support
Arab nationalism completely, totally and absolutely, it is not true. I
have extremely serious criticisms of Arab nationalism, which like all
nationalism, has fascist seeds within it. I am willing to discuss my
criticisms of AN if you like, or you may persist in your delusions about
me.
Furthermore, I certainly disagree that Arab nationalism has "caused more
damage to the Arabs than fundamentalism"!
America sees it as terrorism.
Anyone with eyes sees it as terrorism.
Yeh right, anyone who fights against the US or Israel is automatically a
"terrorist" Ed. Surrrrrrrrrrrrrre they are, Eddie, surrrrrrrrrrrre they
are.
--
http://www.pflp.net Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP)
http://www.farcep.org Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (FARC)
Heroes: George Habash, Nayef Hawatmeh, Naji Alloush, Kamal Nasser, Wadi
Haddad, Michel Aflaq, Camilo Torres, Tupac Amaru, Farabundo Marti,
Desallines, Augusto Sandino, Fritz Fanon, Pontiac, John Brown.
FreedomAlways
2004-12-19 04:11:08 UTC
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Post by Anti-imperialist
Post by Ed
Post by i***@mistral.net
America sees it as terrorism.
Anyone with eyes sees it as terrorism.
Yeh right, anyone who fights against the US or Israel is automatically a
"terrorist" Ed. Surrrrrrrrrrrrrre they are, Eddie, surrrrrrrrrrrre they
are.
Yo! AI, you are hopeless. You have dreams of the USA failing. It will
not. You see American-Jewish conspiracies. There are none. You think
that the propaganda you spout makes your cause stronger. It doesn't.
You think you can convince someone that the USA is losing the war on
terrorism. The USA is winning.

You sound like a 20 year old talking about his most recent class
assignment.

You are naive.

You are consistently wrong.

You are mostly monkey.

Eat your banana!
Ed
2004-12-19 15:13:53 UTC
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Post by Anti-imperialist
Post by Ed
Post by i***@mistral.net
On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 19:37:24 -0800, Anti-imperialist
Post by Anti-imperialist
Sir, in response to your accusation in a previous post, that I support
Arab nationalism completely, totally and absolutely, it is not true. I
have extremely serious criticisms of Arab nationalism, which like all
nationalism, has fascist seeds within it. I am willing to discuss my
criticisms of AN if you like, or you may persist in your delusions about
me.
Furthermore, I certainly disagree that Arab nationalism has "caused more
damage to the Arabs than fundamentalism"!
America sees it as terrorism.
Anyone with eyes sees it as terrorism.
Yeh right, anyone who fights against the US or Israel is automatically a
"terrorist" Ed. Surrrrrrrrrrrrrre they are, Eddie, surrrrrrrrrrrre they
are.
Anyone who thinks nothing of blowing up children on a schoolbus or an old
lady in a restaurant is a terrorist. But you obviously miss those points,
because of two factors:

l. You hate Americans
2. You hate Jews.

However, you scream bloody murder when a Palestinian child is killed because
one of your terrorist heroes decides to use him as a sandbag.

You are a disgrace to humanity.
Warhol
2004-12-18 18:30:04 UTC
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Post by AnonMoos
Post by Warhol
We have a Blue Jump suit waiting for you !
They have a nice white coat waiting for you -- too bad taht the sleeves
are sewn to the side!
--
Zionism: The REAL Religious Problem

You opened the door. Don't blame me for stepping in.
James
2004-12-17 23:34:58 UTC
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Post by Warhol
All Zionists Must Read It..........
iT IS TIME TO TELL THAT ALL ZIONIST WIIL BE PUNISHED BY GOD AND JESUS FOR
EVERYTHING WHAT ZIONISME HAVE DONE BAD IN THIS WORLD, FOR ALL !!!!
We have a Blue Jump suit waiting for you !
Since God and the Zionist are on the same team, God would have no reason to
punish them for anything. As far Jesus goes, he forgave the Jews at his
crucifixion. Do you not understand forgiveness? It means that the Jewish
people bare no blame for Jesus’s death. Not then, not now, nor forever! If
Jesus himself does not condemn the actions of the Jews on that day, who in
the hell do you think you are to be an accuser?
--
We must never forget that on Sept.12, 2001, Israel's flags were flying at
half-staff and the Palestinians were dancing in the streets.
Deborah Sharavi
2004-12-17 23:56:33 UTC
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Post by James
Since God and the Zionist are on the same team, God would have no reason to
punish them for anything. As far Jesus goes, he forgave the Jews at his
crucifixion.
Don't you mean he forgave the Romans who crucified him?
Post by James
Do you not understand forgiveness? It means that the Jewish
people bare no blame for Jesus's death.
Never did. Had Jews wanted him put to death, he would not have been
crucified. The fact is, he did nothing against Jewish law.
Being called the messiah was definitely against the Romans.

Deborah
James
2004-12-18 04:08:12 UTC
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Post by James
Post by James
Since God and the Zionist are on the same team, God would have no
reason to
Post by James
punish them for anything. As far Jesus goes, he forgave the Jews at
his
Post by James
crucifixion.
Don't you mean he forgave the Romans who crucified him?
Post by James
Do you not understand forgiveness? It means that the Jewish
people bare no blame for Jesus's death.
Never did. Had Jews wanted him put to death, he would not have been
crucified. The fact is, he did nothing against Jewish law.
Being called the messiah was definitely against the Romans.
Deborah
You and I may know that but most people, especially Christians do not. The
point is that the Jews were involved and it does not matter if it was a
direct participation or an indirect one, it was all forgiven. If I ask
someone to do you harm and they carry out my request I have participated
even though I actually did not lay my hand on you. If those that
participated were not forgiven then Jesus could not be who he claimed to be.
So if Jesus was the Messiah the Jews are totally blameless for their part.
If he was not the Messiah then obviously the Jews can't be blamed for
killing the Messiah.

The sad thing is that Jews have suffered for centuries for Jesus's death
because of ignorance of some Christians.
--
We must never forget that on Sept.12, 2001, Israel's flags were flying at
half-staff and the Palestinians were dancing in the streets.
Warhol
2004-12-18 18:28:13 UTC
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Post by James
Post by Warhol
All Zionists Must Read It..........
iT IS TIME TO TELL THAT ALL ZIONIST WIIL BE PUNISHED BY GOD AND JESUS FOR
EVERYTHING WHAT ZIONISME HAVE DONE BAD IN THIS WORLD, FOR ALL !!!!
We have a Blue Jump suit waiting for you !
Since God and the Zionist are on the same team, God would have no reason to
punish them for anything. As far Jesus goes, he forgave the Jews at his
crucifixion. Do you not understand forgiveness? It means that the Jewish
people bare no blame for Jesus's death. Not then, not now, nor forever!
If
Post by James
Jesus himself does not condemn the actions of the Jews on that day, who in
the hell do you think you are to be an accuser?
--
My god another jew!
Ed
2004-12-18 22:20:03 UTC
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Post by Warhol
Post by James
Post by Warhol
All Zionists Must Read It..........
iT IS TIME TO TELL THAT ALL ZIONIST WIIL BE PUNISHED BY GOD AND JESUS
FOR
Post by James
Post by Warhol
EVERYTHING WHAT ZIONISME HAVE DONE BAD IN THIS WORLD, FOR ALL !!!!
We have a Blue Jump suit waiting for you !
Since God and the Zionist are on the same team, God would have no reason
to
Post by James
punish them for anything. As far Jesus goes, he forgave the Jews at his
crucifixion. Do you not understand forgiveness? It means that the Jewish
people bare no blame for Jesus's death. Not then, not now, nor forever!
If
Post by James
Jesus himself does not condemn the actions of the Jews on that day, who in
the hell do you think you are to be an accuser?
--
My god another jew!
Yeah, that must really piss you off, huh? Jews actually do exist!

You don't like Jews in the world, you are more than welcome to depart from
this planet any way you are able.
Warhol
2004-12-19 04:00:10 UTC
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Post by Ed
Post by Warhol
Post by James
Post by Warhol
All Zionists Must Read It..........
iT IS TIME TO TELL THAT ALL ZIONIST WIIL BE PUNISHED BY GOD AND JESUS
FOR
Post by James
Post by Warhol
EVERYTHING WHAT ZIONISME HAVE DONE BAD IN THIS WORLD, FOR ALL !!!!
We have a Blue Jump suit waiting for you !
Since God and the Zionist are on the same team, God would have no reason
to
Post by James
punish them for anything. As far Jesus goes, he forgave the Jews at his
crucifixion. Do you not understand forgiveness? It means that the Jewish
people bare no blame for Jesus's death. Not then, not now, nor forever!
If
Post by James
Jesus himself does not condemn the actions of the Jews on that day, who in
the hell do you think you are to be an accuser?
--
My god another jew!
Yeah, that must really piss you off, huh? Jews actually do exist!
You don't like Jews in the world, you are more than welcome to depart from
this planet any way you are able.
Smack Pingu

http://www.casper.ru/temp/pingu2/

A Perfect Projectiling Pingu Provides Potential for Points
Ed
2004-12-18 02:58:09 UTC
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Naaah, Warhol. You're just nobody.
Warhol
2004-12-18 18:47:11 UTC
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Post by Ed
Naaah, Warhol. You're just nobody.
for sure you are missing the fun I gues, therefore, I am perfect.
Ed
2004-12-18 19:11:12 UTC
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Post by Warhol
Post by Ed
Naaah, Warhol. You're just nobody.
for sure you are missing the fun I gues, therefore, I am perfect.
Naaah.... just stick to your original statement. You are nobody. It's the
only true statement you have ever made.
(Oh, and yes, I did get the "fun" joke. Boring!)
Warhol
2004-12-19 03:58:30 UTC
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Post by Ed
Post by Warhol
Post by Ed
Naaah, Warhol. You're just nobody.
for sure you are missing the fun I gues, therefore, I am perfect.
Naaah.... just stick to your original statement. You are nobody. It's the
only true statement you have ever made.
(Oh, and yes, I did get the "fun" joke. Boring!)
Smack Pingu

http://www.casper.ru/temp/pingu2/
aq
2004-12-18 04:47:56 UTC
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"Warhol" <***@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:***@individual.net...

No, Warhol, you are not "Nobody"

You are Scum of all societies.
Warhol
2004-12-18 18:30:55 UTC
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Post by aq
No, Warhol, you are not "Nobody"
You are Scum of all societies.
Nope!

I'm not getting involved in your fracas.
george
2004-12-18 07:22:28 UTC
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Post by Warhol
All Zionists Must Read It..........
iT IS TIME TO TELL THAT ALL ZIONIST WIIL BE PUNISHED BY GOD AND JESUS FOR
EVERYTHING WHAT ZIONISME HAVE DONE BAD IN THIS WORLD, FOR ALL !!!!
We have a Blue Jump suit waiting for you !
I've got a white straight jacket waiting for you, Wahabbi boy!
Warhol
2004-12-18 18:34:02 UTC
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Post by george
Post by Warhol
All Zionists Must Read It..........
iT IS TIME TO TELL THAT ALL ZIONIST WIIL BE PUNISHED BY GOD AND JESUS FOR
EVERYTHING WHAT ZIONISME HAVE DONE BAD IN THIS WORLD, FOR ALL !!!!
We have a Blue Jump suit waiting for you !
I've got a white straight jacket waiting for you, Wahabbi boy!
hehe.......that's funny in a strange sort of way

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falsities, and will diligently study them, and refuse to examine any
refutations of them; and thus he will by and by convince himself that the
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