LMC Society
2007-07-24 02:18:42 UTC
some democrats and even republicans are calling for president bush to
'end the war' or 'stop the war'. they call for withdrawing US troops
out of iraq. now, if that would end the war, i'm all for it. never
mind building a beacon of democracy. the killings in iraq are so
horrifying that any end of this conflict would be welcome.
but, those calling for 'ending the war' are disingenuous. if US pulls
out, the war will end for americans. it will NOT end for people in
iraq. indeed, the REAL war of horrendous proportions may begin just
then. for all the talk of love of humanity around the world, liberals
don't seem to care.
when US pulled out of southeast asia, liberals patted themselves on
the back for 'ending the war'. well, it ended for the US but not in
southeast asia. communists still waged war and in 1975, they called
for an all-out attack on south vietnam. south vietnam would turn into
a communist slave state. it would know nothing but oppression and
extreme poverty for two decades. even today, it is very poor and
moving up only thanks to free markets.
as for cambodia, it turned into a real holocaust.
so, all those liberals who felt soooo good about ending the war didn't
really care what happened to vietnamese or cambodians under
communism.
suppose US was at war with nazi germany. suppose it was hard going for
the US, a kind of a quagmire. suppose americans call for 'ending the
war' and pull out of europe. yes, the war would end for americans.
but, suppose in the aftermath of US pullout, nazi germans murder 10
million 'subhumans'. this is what happened in southeast asia. US
withdrawal didn't end the war. war raged on in vietnam and cambodia.
then it was war between camobia and vietnam. then it was war between
vietnam and china. more people die in the few yrs after US pullout
than during the 8 yrs when US were there. yes, it was good for
american soldiers to come home and be out of harm's way. and maybe
there was no way for US to win and maybe it had to end in this
horrible way. but, those liberals who congratulate themselves for
finally resolving the crisis in southeast asia are liars. as
leftists, they saw US as the aggressor, not the defender. they argued
that the ONLY reason why fighting was going on was because US was
there. if US left, there would be peace. of course, the real
aggressors were the communists. once US left, north vietnam planned
to wage more war and take all of the south. and khmer rouge were out
to take the whole country. US leaving that area only led to more
war.
now, there were naive stupid liberals who believed US was the
aggressor and the problem. these people didn't necessarily want the
commies to win. but, leftist 'peace activists' actually did want
communists to win. they wanted US to pull out so communists could
sweep thru the entire region. indeed, they saw US pullout as the
beginning of world wide communist sweep. thank god that didn't
happen.
anyway, if iraq crisis is unresolvable, then US will have to pull out.
but, let's NOT fool ourselves into thinking that this will 'end the
war'. it will only end the war for us. for people in the region, it
could be the beginning of a real holocaust. also, while pulling out
may end the war for the US in the short term, if things get REAL bad,
it may pull us back in and in a much worse and bigger way.
we can all say bush messed up. it's his war. it's his responsibility
above all. BUT, america went to war under bush. we all did. even most
dems supported the war, no matter how reluctantly. most of the public
backed the war. so, even as we blame bush more than any other, we
should all feel some degree of responsibility for what has happened.
we changed the lives of all those people in iraq. it would be
dastardly to say, 'oops, we messed up, you guys kill eachother by the
bushel, bye!!'.
we can harshly criticize bush for taking us into war and for
mismanaging the war. but, whether we like it or not, the problem of
iraq is OUR problem too. it's not all or mostly our fault as shiites
and sunnis have hated eachother for centuries, and freedom that we
brought only opened the bloodgates of mayhem.
but, we were involved in this and we cannot just shirk our
responsility in the name of 'ending the war' and winning votes in a
very lowdown cheap way.
i say there is really only one solution. partition of iraq. no matter
how painful and complicated this process will be, it is the only one
that will bring any kind of finality to the conflict. if two cats are
fighting, just separate them. if you stand in the middle, they will
scratch you and themselves. if you try to separate them, you will get
scratched during the process but once the process of separation is
complete, the cats will not be scratching one another and won't be
scratching you. they will only be spraying along their territory to
stay apart from one another.
'end the war' or 'stop the war'. they call for withdrawing US troops
out of iraq. now, if that would end the war, i'm all for it. never
mind building a beacon of democracy. the killings in iraq are so
horrifying that any end of this conflict would be welcome.
but, those calling for 'ending the war' are disingenuous. if US pulls
out, the war will end for americans. it will NOT end for people in
iraq. indeed, the REAL war of horrendous proportions may begin just
then. for all the talk of love of humanity around the world, liberals
don't seem to care.
when US pulled out of southeast asia, liberals patted themselves on
the back for 'ending the war'. well, it ended for the US but not in
southeast asia. communists still waged war and in 1975, they called
for an all-out attack on south vietnam. south vietnam would turn into
a communist slave state. it would know nothing but oppression and
extreme poverty for two decades. even today, it is very poor and
moving up only thanks to free markets.
as for cambodia, it turned into a real holocaust.
so, all those liberals who felt soooo good about ending the war didn't
really care what happened to vietnamese or cambodians under
communism.
suppose US was at war with nazi germany. suppose it was hard going for
the US, a kind of a quagmire. suppose americans call for 'ending the
war' and pull out of europe. yes, the war would end for americans.
but, suppose in the aftermath of US pullout, nazi germans murder 10
million 'subhumans'. this is what happened in southeast asia. US
withdrawal didn't end the war. war raged on in vietnam and cambodia.
then it was war between camobia and vietnam. then it was war between
vietnam and china. more people die in the few yrs after US pullout
than during the 8 yrs when US were there. yes, it was good for
american soldiers to come home and be out of harm's way. and maybe
there was no way for US to win and maybe it had to end in this
horrible way. but, those liberals who congratulate themselves for
finally resolving the crisis in southeast asia are liars. as
leftists, they saw US as the aggressor, not the defender. they argued
that the ONLY reason why fighting was going on was because US was
there. if US left, there would be peace. of course, the real
aggressors were the communists. once US left, north vietnam planned
to wage more war and take all of the south. and khmer rouge were out
to take the whole country. US leaving that area only led to more
war.
now, there were naive stupid liberals who believed US was the
aggressor and the problem. these people didn't necessarily want the
commies to win. but, leftist 'peace activists' actually did want
communists to win. they wanted US to pull out so communists could
sweep thru the entire region. indeed, they saw US pullout as the
beginning of world wide communist sweep. thank god that didn't
happen.
anyway, if iraq crisis is unresolvable, then US will have to pull out.
but, let's NOT fool ourselves into thinking that this will 'end the
war'. it will only end the war for us. for people in the region, it
could be the beginning of a real holocaust. also, while pulling out
may end the war for the US in the short term, if things get REAL bad,
it may pull us back in and in a much worse and bigger way.
we can all say bush messed up. it's his war. it's his responsibility
above all. BUT, america went to war under bush. we all did. even most
dems supported the war, no matter how reluctantly. most of the public
backed the war. so, even as we blame bush more than any other, we
should all feel some degree of responsibility for what has happened.
we changed the lives of all those people in iraq. it would be
dastardly to say, 'oops, we messed up, you guys kill eachother by the
bushel, bye!!'.
we can harshly criticize bush for taking us into war and for
mismanaging the war. but, whether we like it or not, the problem of
iraq is OUR problem too. it's not all or mostly our fault as shiites
and sunnis have hated eachother for centuries, and freedom that we
brought only opened the bloodgates of mayhem.
but, we were involved in this and we cannot just shirk our
responsility in the name of 'ending the war' and winning votes in a
very lowdown cheap way.
i say there is really only one solution. partition of iraq. no matter
how painful and complicated this process will be, it is the only one
that will bring any kind of finality to the conflict. if two cats are
fighting, just separate them. if you stand in the middle, they will
scratch you and themselves. if you try to separate them, you will get
scratched during the process but once the process of separation is
complete, the cats will not be scratching one another and won't be
scratching you. they will only be spraying along their territory to
stay apart from one another.