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=> Army to Courtmartial U$ soldiers for speaking truth about Iraq boondoggle ...!
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- Vox Populi ©
2003-07-19 00:26:11 UTC
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Now this IS funny ... shut up and die for the Bu$h Mob's lies you stupid
grunts, and no
whining about it either


Posted on Fri, Jul. 18, 2003



Grumbling U.S. Troops May Face Punishment


Associated Press

WASHINGTON - The Army is considering whether to punish soldiers in Iraq who
griped about conditions there to a television reporter, a Pentagon
spokeswoman said Friday.

Some soldiers from the 3rd Infantry Division complained to ABC-TV this week
after their units were told they would be leaving Iraq soon, then had their
homecoming postponed. One called for the resignation of Defense Secretary
Donald H. Rumsfeld.

Criticism of superior officers is a breach of military rules. The Army will
determine whether any soldier will be charged with breaking those rules,
said Pentagon spokeswoman Chief Petty Officer Diane Perry.

On Wednesday, the commander of U.S. forces in Iraq said the soldiers'
comments show the frustration of troops who are ready to go home.

"Every now and then we've got to look at our young people and understand why
they said what they said, and then do something about it," said Gen. John
Abizaid, head of U.S. Central Command.

He said it was up to the soldiers' direct commanders to decide if they
should be punished.

"None of us that wear this uniform are free to say anything disparaging
about the secretary of defense, or the president of the United States," he
added.
=> Vox Populi ©
2003-07-19 16:18:00 UTC
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Now this IS funny ... shut up and die for the Bu$h Mob's lies you stupid
grunts, and no
whining about it either
Posted on Fri, Jul. 18, 2003
Grumbling U.S. Troops May Face Punishment
Associated Press
WASHINGTON - The Army is considering whether to punish soldiers in Iraq who
griped about conditions there to a television reporter, a Pentagon
spokeswoman said Friday.
Some soldiers from the 3rd Infantry Division complained to ABC-TV this week
after their units were told they would be leaving Iraq soon, then had their
homecoming postponed. One called for the resignation of Defense Secretary
Donald H. Rumsfeld.
Criticism of superior officers is a breach of military rules. The Army will
determine whether any soldier will be charged with breaking those rules,
said Pentagon spokeswoman Chief Petty Officer Diane Perry.
On Wednesday, the commander of U.S. forces in Iraq said the soldiers'
comments show the frustration of troops who are ready to go home.
"Every now and then we've got to look at our young people and understand why
they said what they said, and then do something about it," said Gen. John
Abizaid, head of U.S. Central Command.
He said it was up to the soldiers' direct commanders to decide if they
should be punished.
"None of us that wear this uniform are free to say anything disparaging
about the secretary of defense, or the president of the United States," he
added.
j***@earthlink.net
2003-07-19 18:13:09 UTC
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Post by - Vox Populi ©
Now this IS funny ... shut up and die for the Bu$h Mob's lies you stupid
grunts, and no
whining about it either
No, you shut up and die for the sake of the human race you pathetic ninny.
=> Vox Populi ©
2003-07-19 18:23:36 UTC
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z
Post by - Vox Populi ©
Now this IS funny ... shut up and die for the Bu$h Mob's lies you stupid
grunts, and no
whining about it either
No, you shut up and die for the sake of the human race you pathetic ninny.
Sez the armchair chickenhawk coward who "claims" he is joining the U$ military,
yet sits safely at home while other hapless, young and dumb U$ teenagers/20
somethings
are maimed or killed for the criminal GW Bu$h lies ...

... you gutless punk.
--
Lie #6: "We have also discovered through intelligence that Iraq has
a growing fleet of manned and unmanned aerial vehicles that could be
used to disperse chemical or biological weapons across broad areas.
We are concerned that Iraq is exploring ways of using these UAVs
[unmanned aerial vehicles] for missions targeting the United States."

-President Bush, Oct. 7

Fact: Said drones can't fly more than 300 miles, and Iraq is 6,000
miles from the U.S. coastline. Furthermore, Iraq's drone-building
program wasn't much more advanced than your average model plane
enthusiast. And isn't a "manned aerial vehicle" just a scary way to
say "plane"?


Lie #7: "We have seen intelligence over many months that they have
chemical and biological weapons, and that they have dispersed them and
that they're weaponized and that, in one case at least, the command and
control arrangements have been established."

-President Bush, Feb. 8, 2003

Fact: Despite a massive search by U.S. and British forces in Iraq,
there are no signs, traces or examples of chemical weapons being
deployed in the field, or anywhere else during the war.


Lie #8: "Our conservative estimate is that Iraq today has a stockpile
of between 100 and 500 tons of chemical weapons agent. That is enough
to fill 16,000 battlefield rockets."

-Secretary of State Colin Powell, Feb. 5, 2003, in remarks to the U.N.
Security Council

Fact: Putting aside the glaring fact that not one drop of this massive
stockpile has been found, U.S. intelligence reports show that these
stocks-if they existed-were well past their use-by date and therefore
useless as weapon fodder.


Lie #9: "We know where [Iraq's Weapons of Mass Destruction] are. They're
in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south, and north
somewhat."

-Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, March 30, 2003

Fact: Needless to say, no such weapons were found, not to the east, west,
south or north, somewhat or otherwise.


Lie #10: "Yes, we found a biological laboratory in Iraq which the U.N.
prohibited."

-President Bush in remarks in Poland, published internationally June 1,
2003

Fact: This was reference to the discovery of two modified truck trailers
that the CIA claimed were potential mobile biological weapons lab. But
British and American experts (including a recent report by the State
Department's intelligence wing) have since declared this to be untrue.
According to the British, and much to Prime Minister Tony Blair's
embarrassment, the trailers are actually exactly what Iraq said they
were: facilities to fill weather balloons, sold to them by the British
themselves.
j***@earthlink.net
2003-07-19 18:31:31 UTC
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z
Post by - Vox Populi ©
Now this IS funny ... shut up and die for the Bu$h Mob's lies you stupid
grunts, and no
whining about it either
No, you shut up and die for the sake of the human race you pathetic ninny.
Sez the armchair chickenhawk coward who "claims" he is joining the U$ military,
yet sits safely at home while other hapless, young and dumb U$
teenagers/20
Post by => Vox Populi ©
somethings
are maimed or killed for the criminal GW Bu$h lies ...
Actually jackass I'm not joining the army, I'm in the Army, have been for
13 years. Been deployed several times, been involved in combat action
twice. So I guess the question is who the fuck do you think your are? It
looks to me like you just described yourself.
Post by => Vox Populi ©
... you gutless punk.
I'm the gutless punk? Lol, you need to take a good look at yourself
before you start calling people names bitch.
Post by => Vox Populi ©
--
Lie #6: "We have also discovered through intelligence that Iraq has
a growing fleet of manned and unmanned aerial vehicles that could be
used to disperse chemical or biological weapons across broad areas.
We are concerned that Iraq is exploring ways of using these UAVs
[unmanned aerial vehicles] for missions targeting the United States."
-President Bush, Oct. 7
Fact: Said drones can't fly more than 300 miles, and Iraq is 6,000
miles from the U.S. coastline. Furthermore, Iraq's drone-building
program wasn't much more advanced than your average model plane
enthusiast. And isn't a "manned aerial vehicle" just a scary way to
say "plane"?
Lie #7: "We have seen intelligence over many months that they have
chemical and biological weapons, and that they have dispersed them and
that they're weaponized and that, in one case at least, the command and
control arrangements have been established."
-President Bush, Feb. 8, 2003
Fact: Despite a massive search by U.S. and British forces in Iraq,
there are no signs, traces or examples of chemical weapons being
deployed in the field, or anywhere else during the war.
Lie #8: "Our conservative estimate is that Iraq today has a stockpile
of between 100 and 500 tons of chemical weapons agent. That is enough
to fill 16,000 battlefield rockets."
-Secretary of State Colin Powell, Feb. 5, 2003, in remarks to the U.N.
Security Council
Fact: Putting aside the glaring fact that not one drop of this massive
stockpile has been found, U.S. intelligence reports show that these
stocks-if they existed-were well past their use-by date and therefore
useless as weapon fodder.
Lie #9: "We know where [Iraq's Weapons of Mass Destruction] are. They're
in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south, and north
somewhat."
-Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, March 30, 2003
Fact: Needless to say, no such weapons were found, not to the east, west,
south or north, somewhat or otherwise.
Lie #10: "Yes, we found a biological laboratory in Iraq which the U.N.
prohibited."
-President Bush in remarks in Poland, published internationally June 1,
2003
Fact: This was reference to the discovery of two modified truck trailers
that the CIA claimed were potential mobile biological weapons lab. But
British and American experts (including a recent report by the State
Department's intelligence wing) have since declared this to be untrue.
According to the British, and much to Prime Minister Tony Blair's
embarrassment, the trailers are actually exactly what Iraq said they
were: facilities to fill weather balloons, sold to them by the British
themselves.
=> Vox Populi ©
2003-07-19 18:50:01 UTC
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z
Post by - Vox Populi ©
Now this IS funny ... shut up and die for the Bu$h Mob's lies you
stupid
Post by => Vox Populi ©
Post by j***@earthlink.net
Post by - Vox Populi ©
grunts, and no
whining about it either
No, you shut up and die for the sake of the human race you pathetic
ninny.
Post by => Vox Populi ©
Sez the armchair chickenhawk coward who "claims" he is joining the U$
military,
Post by => Vox Populi ©
yet sits safely at home while other hapless, young and dumb U$
teenagers/20
Post by => Vox Populi ©
somethings
are maimed or killed for the criminal GW Bu$h lies ...
Actually jackass I'm not joining the army, I'm in the Army, have been for
13 years. Been deployed several times, been involved in combat action
twice.
Wooo weee. Kill any women, children or unarmed civlians?
--
"We huddled 'em up. We made them squat down... I poured four clips
into the dinks...the mothers kept hugging their children...we kept on
firing..."

- Paul Meadlo
United States Army commenting on US War crimes at My Lai
Post by - Vox Populi ©
So I guess the question is who the fuck do you think your are?
Stupid fool. I'm one of those you supposedly risk your life to
"defend", the U$ citizen who enlists idiots like you to go to
distant lands and fight and die to protect my Money market
accounts, investment portfilio and other material assets.

We use well honed deception and psy-op cliches and phrases
like, "honor", "bravery" and "freedom" to trick morons like you
into playing the disposable pawns and fodder for our own personal
gain, greed and power.
Post by - Vox Populi ©
It
looks to me like you just described yourself.
Ibid.
Post by - Vox Populi ©
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... you gutless punk.
I'm the gutless punk?
Brainless at least ...
Post by - Vox Populi ©
Lol, you need to take a good look at yourself
before you start calling people names bitch.
Shut up and get back to work dying to protect the $$ assets
of your masters ...
--
"Naturally, the common people don't want war;
neither in Russia nor in England nor in America,
nor for that matter in Germany.
That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders
of the country who determine the policy and
it is always a simple matter to drag the people
along, whether it is a democracy or a fascist
dictatorship or a Parliament or a Communist
dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can
always be brought to the bidding of the leaders.
That is easy. All you have to do is tell them
they are being attacked and denounce the
pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing
the country to danger. It works the same way
in any country."

- Hermann Goering, Nazi Reichsmarshall
Post by - Vox Populi ©
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--
Lie #6: "We have also discovered through intelligence that Iraq has
a growing fleet of manned and unmanned aerial vehicles that could be
used to disperse chemical or biological weapons across broad areas.
We are concerned that Iraq is exploring ways of using these UAVs
[unmanned aerial vehicles] for missions targeting the United States."
-President Bush, Oct. 7
Fact: Said drones can't fly more than 300 miles, and Iraq is 6,000
miles from the U.S. coastline. Furthermore, Iraq's drone-building
program wasn't much more advanced than your average model plane
enthusiast. And isn't a "manned aerial vehicle" just a scary way to
say "plane"?
Lie #7: "We have seen intelligence over many months that they have
chemical and biological weapons, and that they have dispersed them and
that they're weaponized and that, in one case at least, the command and
control arrangements have been established."
-President Bush, Feb. 8, 2003
Fact: Despite a massive search by U.S. and British forces in Iraq,
there are no signs, traces or examples of chemical weapons being
deployed in the field, or anywhere else during the war.
Lie #8: "Our conservative estimate is that Iraq today has a stockpile
of between 100 and 500 tons of chemical weapons agent. That is enough
to fill 16,000 battlefield rockets."
-Secretary of State Colin Powell, Feb. 5, 2003, in remarks to the U.N.
Security Council
Fact: Putting aside the glaring fact that not one drop of this massive
stockpile has been found, U.S. intelligence reports show that these
stocks-if they existed-were well past their use-by date and therefore
useless as weapon fodder.
Lie #9: "We know where [Iraq's Weapons of Mass Destruction] are. They're
in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south, and north
somewhat."
-Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, March 30, 2003
Fact: Needless to say, no such weapons were found, not to the east, west,
south or north, somewhat or otherwise.
Lie #10: "Yes, we found a biological laboratory in Iraq which the U.N.
prohibited."
-President Bush in remarks in Poland, published internationally June 1,
2003
Fact: This was reference to the discovery of two modified truck trailers
that the CIA claimed were potential mobile biological weapons lab. But
British and American experts (including a recent report by the State
Department's intelligence wing) have since declared this to be untrue.
According to the British, and much to Prime Minister Tony Blair's
embarrassment, the trailers are actually exactly what Iraq said they
were: facilities to fill weather balloons, sold to them by the British
themselves.
j***@earthlink.net
2003-07-19 19:06:31 UTC
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z
Post by - Vox Populi ©
Now this IS funny ... shut up and die for the Bu$h Mob's lies you
stupid
Post by => Vox Populi ©
Post by j***@earthlink.net
Post by - Vox Populi ©
grunts, and no
whining about it either
No, you shut up and die for the sake of the human race you pathetic
ninny.
Post by => Vox Populi ©
Sez the armchair chickenhawk coward who "claims" he is joining the U$
military,
Post by => Vox Populi ©
yet sits safely at home while other hapless, young and dumb U$
teenagers/20
Post by => Vox Populi ©
somethings
are maimed or killed for the criminal GW Bu$h lies ...
Actually jackass I'm not joining the army, I'm in the Army, have been for
13 years. Been deployed several times, been involved in combat action
twice.
Wooo weee. Kill any women, children or unarmed civlians?
--
"We huddled 'em up. We made them squat down... I poured four clips
into the dinks...the mothers kept hugging their children...we kept on
firing..."
- Paul Meadlo
United States Army commenting on US War crimes at My Lai
Post by - Vox Populi ©
So I guess the question is who the fuck do you think your are?
Stupid fool. I'm one of those you supposedly risk your life to
"defend", the U$ citizen who enlists idiots like you to go to
distant lands and fight and die to protect my Money market
accounts, investment portfilio and other material assets.
Shame that your such a shit head that you will put down and insult the ver
y people that are willing to do what it takes to keep you free. I knew this
though.
Post by => Vox Populi ©
We use well honed deception and psy-op cliches and phrases
like, "honor", "bravery" and "freedom" to trick morons like you
into playing the disposable pawns and fodder for our own personal
gain, greed and power.
So it's true then, you are a worthless coward. You talk big, but the
truth is you don't have the balls to back it up. It's alright though sit
there in your basement, playing with yourself, we'll do the dirty work.
Post by => Vox Populi ©
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It
looks to me like you just described yourself.
Ibid.
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... you gutless punk.
I'm the gutless punk?
Brainless at least ...
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Lol, you need to take a good look at yourself
before you start calling people names bitch.
Shut up and get back to work dying to protect the $$ assets
of your masters ...
It's funny how you like to talk about the military and speak of thing we
should do and how we should handle things, but you really don't know what
your talking about do U? I mean you've never had the guts to be in the
military, and you deffently don't have the guts to actually do anything but
talk. You tell the world just how terrible the US is, but your a American
yourself and your not leaving anytime soon are you, nor will you even try to
change things, just talk. Kinda like a child that is protected by his
mother, talk smack and then run and hide. COWARD. I just wanted to see you
admit it.
=> Vox Populi ©
2003-07-19 20:32:56 UTC
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z
Post by - Vox Populi ©
Now this IS funny ... shut up and die for the Bu$h Mob's lies
you
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stupid
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Post by j***@earthlink.net
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grunts, and no
whining about it either
No, you shut up and die for the sake of the human race you
pathetic
Post by => Vox Populi ©
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ninny.
Post by => Vox Populi ©
Sez the armchair chickenhawk coward who "claims" he is joining the U$
military,
Post by => Vox Populi ©
yet sits safely at home while other hapless, young and dumb U$
teenagers/20
Post by => Vox Populi ©
somethings
are maimed or killed for the criminal GW Bu$h lies ...
Actually jackass I'm not joining the army, I'm in the Army, have been
for
Post by => Vox Populi ©
Post by - Vox Populi ©
13 years. Been deployed several times, been involved in combat action
twice.
Wooo weee. Kill any women, children or unarmed civlians?
--
"We huddled 'em up. We made them squat down... I poured four clips
into the dinks...the mothers kept hugging their children...we kept on
firing..."
- Paul Meadlo
United States Army commenting on US War crimes at My Lai
Post by - Vox Populi ©
So I guess the question is who the fuck do you think your are?
Stupid fool. I'm one of those you supposedly risk your life to
"defend", the U$ citizen who enlists idiots like you to go to
distant lands and fight and die to protect my Money market
accounts, investment portfilio and other material assets.
Shame that your such a shit head that you will put down and insult the ver
y people that are willing to do what it takes to keep you free. I knew this
though.
Nobody said anything about keeping me "free" you blithering ignoramus.
What was stated, and is fact, is that morons like you are ignorant enough
to buy the lies and propaganda and die to protect the $$, greed and power
of the wealthy elite of society.

The wealthy keep themselves "free" by having enough $$ to employ fools like you,
and purchase other powerful "allies" as needed.
Post by j***@earthlink.net
Post by => Vox Populi ©
We use well honed deception and psy-op cliches and phrases
like, "honor", "bravery" and "freedom" to trick morons like you
into playing the disposable pawns and fodder for our own personal
gain, greed and power.
So it's true then, you are a worthless coward. You talk big, but the
truth is you don't have the balls to back it up. It's alright though sit
there in your basement, playing with yourself, we'll do the dirty work.
Sez the cowardly armchair chickenhawk who can't/won't deploy to
the front line ...
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It
looks to me like you just described yourself.
Ibid.
Post by - Vox Populi ©
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... you gutless punk.
I'm the gutless punk?
Brainless at least ...
Post by - Vox Populi ©
Lol, you need to take a good look at yourself
before you start calling people names bitch.
Shut up and get back to work dying to protect the $$ assets
of your masters ...
It's funny how you like to talk about the military and speak of thing we
should do and how we should handle things, but you really don't know what
your talking about do U?
What's funny is that military morons like you forget whom you work for,
and take orders from. Now do shut up and get busy dying to protect
my net worth ...
Post by j***@earthlink.net
I mean you've never had the guts to be in the
military,
You've been brainwashed well. So well practiced at swallowing
the lies we feed you that you don't even gag anymore when you take them
deep throat.
Post by j***@earthlink.net
and you deffently don't have the guts to actually do anything but
talk. You tell the world just how terrible the US is,
The world knows quite well how terrible the USA is, it's braindead
naive morons like you who find the well known truths and facts to
be uncomfortable.
Post by j***@earthlink.net
but your a American
yourself
Accident by birth.
Post by j***@earthlink.net
and your not leaving anytime soon are you,
Why leave? It's cowards like you and GW Bu$h who
desert when the going gets tough.

Aren't on the front lines are you, chickenhawk?
Post by j***@earthlink.net
nor will you even try to
change things, just talk. Kinda like a child that is protected by his
mother, talk smack and then run and hide. COWARD. I just wanted to see you
admit it.
Projecting your own fears and phobias again, eh, gutless armchair warrior?
--
Proof the U$$A is the #1 nation on earth.

Prisoners (per 1,000 people)

United States 4.2
United Kingdom 1.0
Germany 0.8
France 0.8
Austria 0.8
Spain 0.8
Switzerland 0.7
Denmark 0.7
Belgium 0.7
Italy 0.6
Sweden 0.6
Japan 0.4
Netherlands 0.4

Annual reports of police brutality (per 100,000 people)

United States 92.5
United Kingdom 6.0
France 0.7

Death row inmates

United States 2,124
Japan 38
All others 0

Murder rate (per 100,000 people)

United States 8.40
Canada 5.45
Denmark 5.17
France 4.60
Portugal 4.50
Australia 4.48
Germany 4.20
Belgium 2.80
Spain 2.28
Switzerland 2.25
Italy 2.18
Norway 1.99
United Kingdom 1.97
Austria 1.80
Greece 1.76
Sweden 1.73
Japan 1.20
Ireland 0.96
Finland 0.70

Murder rate for males age 15-24 (per 100,000 people)

United States 24.4
Canada 2.6
Sweden 2.3
Norway 2.3
Finland 2.3
Denmark 2.2
United Kingdom 2.0
Netherlands 1.2
Germany 0.9
Japan 0.5

Rape (per 100,000 people)

United States 37.20
Sweden 15.70
Denmark 11.23
Germany 8.60
Norway 7.87
United Kingdom 7.26
Finland 7.20
France 6.77
Switzerland 6.15
Luxembourg 5.00
Spain 4.43
Austria 4.40
Belgium 4.00
Greece 2.40
Ireland 1.72
Japan 1.40
Portugal 1.20

Armed robbery (per 100,000 people)

United States 221
Canada 94
France 90
Belgium 66
United Kingdom 63
Italy 50
Sweden 49
Germany 47
Ireland 46
Denmark 44
Finland 38
Switzerland 23
Norway 22
Greece 7
Japan 1



TYPE OF OFFENSE (Sentenced Pop. Only) - Federal Prisoners

Drug Offenses 59.6%
Robbery 9.8%
Property Offenses 5.5%
Extortion, Fraud, Bribery 6.8%
Violent Offenses 2.7%
Firearms, Explosives, Arson 8.6%
White Collar 1.0%
Immigration 2.8%
Courts or Corrections 0.8%
National Security 0.1%
Continuing Criminal Enterprise 0.8%
Miscellaneous 1.5%



THE INTERNATIONAL EVIDENCE

The U.S. is the most violent society in the industrialized world, and probably
the entire world as well. Although it doesn't have the most police per capita,
the U.S. does have the toughest laws and punishments by far. The question of
which came first, the chicken or the egg, is becoming much less relevant as time
passes; the U.S. has been following this "get tough" approach for decades, with
no significant reduction of its violent crime rate.
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2003-07-20 00:09:07 UTC
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Now this IS funny ... shut up and die for the Bu$h Mob's lies
you
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stupid
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grunts, and no
whining about it either
No, you shut up and die for the sake of the human race you
pathetic
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ninny.
Post by => Vox Populi ©
Sez the armchair chickenhawk coward who "claims" he is joining the U$
military,
Post by => Vox Populi ©
yet sits safely at home while other hapless, young and dumb U$
teenagers/20
Post by => Vox Populi ©
somethings
are maimed or killed for the criminal GW Bu$h lies ...
Actually jackass I'm not joining the army, I'm in the Army, have been
for
Post by => Vox Populi ©
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13 years. Been deployed several times, been involved in combat action
twice.
Wooo weee. Kill any women, children or unarmed civlians?
--
"We huddled 'em up. We made them squat down... I poured four clips
into the dinks...the mothers kept hugging their children...we kept on
firing..."
- Paul Meadlo
United States Army commenting on US War crimes at My Lai
Post by - Vox Populi ©
So I guess the question is who the fuck do you think your are?
Stupid fool. I'm one of those you supposedly risk your life to
"defend", the U$ citizen who enlists idiots like you to go to
distant lands and fight and die to protect my Money market
accounts, investment portfilio and other material assets.
Shame that your such a shit head that you will put down and insult the ver
y people that are willing to do what it takes to keep you free. I knew this
though.
Nobody said anything about keeping me "free" you blithering ignoramus.
What was stated, and is fact, is that morons like you are ignorant enough
to buy the lies and propaganda and die to protect the $$, greed and power
of the wealthy elite of society.
The wealthy keep themselves "free" by having enough $$ to employ fools like you,
and purchase other powerful "allies" as needed.
I work to protect all Americans, even the worthless ones like you.
Post by => Vox Populi ©
Post by j***@earthlink.net
Post by => Vox Populi ©
We use well honed deception and psy-op cliches and phrases
like, "honor", "bravery" and "freedom" to trick morons like you
into playing the disposable pawns and fodder for our own personal
gain, greed and power.
So it's true then, you are a worthless coward. You talk big, but the
truth is you don't have the balls to back it up. It's alright though sit
there in your basement, playing with yourself, we'll do the dirty work.
Sez the cowardly armchair chickenhawk who can't/won't deploy to
the front line ...
Been there, done that, am I'm getting ready to go again, unlike you who is
hiding behind a computer, to much pf a coward to even stand up for what he
claims to believe in.
Post by => Vox Populi ©
Post by j***@earthlink.net
Post by => Vox Populi ©
Post by - Vox Populi ©
It
looks to me like you just described yourself.
Ibid.
Post by - Vox Populi ©
Post by => Vox Populi ©
... you gutless punk.
I'm the gutless punk?
Brainless at least ...
Post by - Vox Populi ©
Lol, you need to take a good look at yourself
before you start calling people names bitch.
Shut up and get back to work dying to protect the $$ assets
of your masters ...
It's funny how you like to talk about the military and speak of thing we
should do and how we should handle things, but you really don't know what
your talking about do U?
What's funny is that military morons like you forget whom you work for,
and take orders from. Now do shut up and get busy dying to protect
my net worth ...
Post by j***@earthlink.net
I mean you've never had the guts to be in the
military,
You've been brainwashed well. So well practiced at swallowing
the lies we feed you that you don't even gag anymore when you take them
deep throat.
Spoken like a true coward that doesn't want to face the truths of the
world. Everyone that doesn't believe in the same things you do is brain
washed, bla, bla, bla, did they teach you that in coward school?
Post by => Vox Populi ©
Post by j***@earthlink.net
and you deffently don't have the guts to actually do anything but
talk. You tell the world just how terrible the US is,
The world knows quite well how terrible the USA is, it's braindead
naive morons like you who find the well known truths and facts to
be uncomfortable.
Im very comfortable being an american, unlike yourself who is not, and
just snivels about it.
Post by => Vox Populi ©
Post by j***@earthlink.net
but your a American
yourself
Accident by birth.
I know you birth was an accident, it's ok don't feel bad about it.
Post by => Vox Populi ©
Post by j***@earthlink.net
and your not leaving anytime soon are you,
Why leave? It's cowards like you and GW Bu$h who
desert when the going gets tough.
I'm still here.
Post by => Vox Populi ©
Aren't on the front lines are you, chickenhawk?
Nope, had to sit this one out, would have gladly gone though. I will
probally going to the next one too.
Post by => Vox Populi ©
Post by j***@earthlink.net
nor will you even try to
change things, just talk. Kinda like a child that is protected by his
mother, talk smack and then run and hide. COWARD. I just wanted to see you
admit it.
Projecting your own fears and phobias again, eh, gutless armchair warrior?
Lol, nah bitch, just what I see when I read anything posted by you.
David Lo
2003-07-20 10:14:21 UTC
Permalink
Post by => Vox Populi ©
Post by => Vox Populi ©
Nobody said anything about keeping me "free" you blithering ignoramus.
What was stated, and is fact, is that morons like you are ignorant enough
to buy the lies and propaganda and die to protect the $$, greed and power
of the wealthy elite of society.
The wealthy keep themselves "free" by having enough $$ to employ fools
like you,
Post by => Vox Populi ©
and purchase other powerful "allies" as needed.
I work to protect all Americans, . . .
I'm not persuaded that arguing back and forth like you've been doing
with Vox shows that you ``work to protect all Americans''. While you
are arguing on the internet, more American soldiers have died in Iraq
and you've failed to protect them.

Actually, the Pentagon is talking about calling up more reservists and
guards for the occupation mission in Iraq, even though it will hurt
the already weakened economy if it does become a decision. If you
really are working for the Army right now, why aren't you there to
relieve some of the overworked fellow soldiers who want to come home?
You could at least replaced that GI who called for Rumsfeld's
resignation on ABCNews or at least go stand before one of those who
were shot at to protect him/her from being shot at.

One real issue is that all the people who argue for the war and then
the occupation are typically those who aren't at risk nor required to
do any fighting.

Another is that by supporting the war and now the occupation, you are
directly risking the lives of Americans, soldiers in places they are
hated or unwanted and civilians, here and abroad, everywhere in the
world, because of the suffering the war and occupation have caused.

The following article illustrates these two points very well: Here,
Major General Buford Blount's wife, well protected from the danger of
fighting is making phony speeches to stifle dissent while more
soldiers have died since and will die in the future.

The idea that criticism would embolden the enemy and thus risk drawing
more attacks is clearly ludicrous. The attackers do not decide to
stop simply because they haven't see any criticism in the open from US
soldiers when they are determined and have added up the number of hits
they've scored. This general's wife is simply not in a position to
speak to the wives of soldiers under her husband's command. She
doesn't have to worry about her husband's safety very much because
unless there are B2 bombers coming to bomb his division headquarter,
he's not exposed to life-threatening danger, unlike the husbands of
those women. And she had the gall to imply their actions had the
effect of encouraging the enemy and ``diminishing the resolve of the
American people to complete the task in Iraq''.

So what does she have in mind for the husbands of these women in
anguish? (Ans.: ``to complete the task in Iraq'', however long!)

"We are committed to being in Iraq for the long haul," she said,
adding the mission would not be completed until a democratic
government is established in Iraq.

And what did she say, furthermore?

``Leaving now would further fuel hatred of the US in the region at
a time when "more Arab people hate America today than ever before,''

First, she claims, perhaps correctly but without attributing the true
cause, ``more Arab people hate America today than ever before''.
Then, a non-sequitur of ``Leaving now would further fuel hatred of the
US in the region''. If she were honest, she would have been able to
point out that the reason why more Arab people hate America today than
every before is because America has acted like a thug due to its
greedy, lying rulers. And if she could reason, then the logical
conclusion to the premise of America being hated more today is to ask
America to redeem itself, renounce its thuggish way, and bring the
troops home. Nope, but that doesn't advance her husband's career, she
must have reckoned.

The logic of war is wicked. First you make threat. Then you say you
can't back down or you'll lose credibility. So you make war. Then
you say you must use maximum force to protect your own troops and
minimize the distance to victory, regardless of the devastation and
how many people will be sacrificed. Then you impose your will on
other people regardless of their sentiment and with or without their
consent because you must have control over your hard earned success.

And finally, you must fight any resistance, even though it is a direct
result of your unilateral, oppressive actions, because again, your
credibility and your prestige in the world will be damaged if you
don't. The logic of war suits the politicians and the generals who
hold power and aren't at risk while they can freely expend the sons
and daughters and husbands and wives of ordinary citizens like printed
money.

The logic of war does not admit the step of admitting mistakes and
therefore correcting them. There is no redemption in the logic of
war. So no wonder, war is fully and totally rejected by the man from
Nazareth who valued (and values) aboveall ^life^ for all.


Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children
of God.

Jesus of Nazareth, according to Matthews 5:9


lo yeeOn
========


U.S. National - AFP
US army wives warned criticism can play into Iraqi fighter' hands
Fri Jul 18, 3:54 PM ET

HINESVILLE, Texas (AFP) - Disgruntled army wives have been warned that
their complaints about their husband's continued deployment in Iraq
(news - web sites) could play into enemy hands and further endanger US
troops on the ground.

"We need to be aware of the possible outcome of our outcries that
could backfire on us directly," said Anita Blount, whose husband Major
General Buford Blount commands the US 3rd Infantry Division in Iraq.

Many spouses of 3rd ID soldiers deployed in Iraq have criticized a
recent decision to postpone indefinitely the division's return.

"When the Iraqis see media coverage of disgruntled Americans, publicly
campaigning for the return of our soldiers from Iraq, they are
encouraged and believe their strategy is working," Anita Blount said
in an open letter to spouses of deployed soldiers published this week.

"They believe that their continued attacks on American soliders are
having the desired effect and are diminishing the resolve of the
American people to complete the task in Iraq," she said.

"We are committed to being in Iraq for the long haul," she said,
adding the mission would not be completed until a democratic
government is established in Iraq.

Leaving now would further fuel hatred of the US in the region at a
time when "more Arab people hate America today than ever before," she
said in the letter printed in The Frontline, the 3rd ID's newspaper.
David Lo
2003-07-20 10:34:17 UTC
Permalink
So, soldiers in Iraq are fed up and have gone so far as calling for
Defense Secretary Rumsfeld's resignation; but the top doesn't like it
and threatens to punish those who dare to criticize the bosses.

One real issue is that all the people who argue for the war and then
the occupation are typically those who aren't at risk nor required to
do any fighting.

Another is that by supporting the war and now the occupation, you are
directly risking the lives of Americans, soldiers in places they are
hated or unwanted and civilians, here and abroad, everywhere in the
world, because of the suffering the war and occupation have caused.

The following article illustrates these two points very well: Here,
Major General Buford Blount's wife, well protected from the danger of
fighting, as is her husband, is making phony speeches to stifle
dissent while more soldiers have died since and will die in the future.
The idea that criticism would embolden the enemy and thus risk drawing
more attacks is clearly ludicrous. The attackers do not decide to
stop simply because they haven't see any criticism in the open from US
soldiers when they are determined and have added up the number of hits
they've scored. This general's wife is simply not in a position to
speak to the wives of soldiers under her husband's command. She
doesn't have to worry about her husband's safety very much because
unless there are B2 bombers coming to bomb his division headquarter,
he's not exposed to life-threatening danger, unlike the husbands of
those women. And she had the gall to imply their actions had the
effect of encouraging the enemy and ``diminishing the resolve of the
American people to complete the task in Iraq''.

So what does she have in mind for the husbands of these women in
anguish? (Ans.: ``to complete the task in Iraq'', however long!)

"We are committed to being in Iraq for the long haul," she said,
adding the mission would not be completed until a democratic
government is established in Iraq.

And what did she say, furthermore?

``Leaving now would further fuel hatred of the US in the region at
a time when "more Arab people hate America today than ever before,''

First, she claims, perhaps correctly but without attributing the true
cause, ``more Arab people hate America today than ever before''.
Then, a non-sequitur of ``Leaving now would further fuel hatred of the
US in the region''. If she were honest, she would have been able to
point out that the reason why more Arab people hate America today than
every before is because America has acted like a thug due to its
greedy, lying rulers. And if she could reason, then the logical
conclusion to the premise of America being hated more today is to ask
America to redeem itself, renounce its thuggish way, and bring the
troops home. Nope, but that doesn't advance her husband's career, she
must have reckoned.

The logic of war is wicked. First you make threat. Then you say you
can't back down or you'll lose credibility. So you make war. Then
you say you must use maximum force to protect your own troops and
minimize the distance to victory, regardless of the devastation and
how many people will be sacrificed. Then you impose your will on
other people regardless of their sentiment and with or without their
consent because you must have control over your hard earned success.

And finally, you must fight any resistance, even though it is a direct
result of your unilateral, oppressive actions, because again, your
credibility and your prestige in the world will be damaged if you
don't. The logic of war suits the politicians and the generals who
hold power and aren't at risk while they can freely expend the sons
and daughters and husbands and wives of ordinary citizens like printed
money.

The logic of war does not admit the step of admitting mistakes and
therefore correcting them. There is no redemption in the logic of
war. So no wonder, war is fully and totally rejected by the man from
Nazareth who valued (and values) aboveall ^life^ for all.


Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children
of God.

Jesus of Nazareth, according to Matthews 5:9


lo yeeOn
========
Post by David Lo
U.S. National - AFP
US army wives warned criticism can play into Iraqi fighter' hands
Fri Jul 18, 3:54 PM ET
HINESVILLE, Texas (AFP) - Disgruntled army wives have been warned that
their complaints about their husband's continued deployment in Iraq
(news - web sites) could play into enemy hands and further endanger US
troops on the ground.
"We need to be aware of the possible outcome of our outcries that
could backfire on us directly," said Anita Blount, whose husband Major
General Buford Blount commands the US 3rd Infantry Division in Iraq.
Many spouses of 3rd ID soldiers deployed in Iraq have criticized a
recent decision to postpone indefinitely the division's return.
"When the Iraqis see media coverage of disgruntled Americans, publicly
campaigning for the return of our soldiers from Iraq, they are
encouraged and believe their strategy is working," Anita Blount said
in an open letter to spouses of deployed soldiers published this week.
"They believe that their continued attacks on American soliders are
having the desired effect and are diminishing the resolve of the
American people to complete the task in Iraq," she said.
"We are committed to being in Iraq for the long haul," she said,
adding the mission would not be completed until a democratic
government is established in Iraq.
Leaving now would further fuel hatred of the US in the region at a
time when "more Arab people hate America today than ever before," she
said in the letter printed in The Frontline, the 3rd ID's newspaper.
j***@earthlink.net
2003-07-20 15:17:57 UTC
Permalink
Post by David Lo
Post by => Vox Populi ©
Post by => Vox Populi ©
Nobody said anything about keeping me "free" you blithering ignoramus.
What was stated, and is fact, is that morons like you are ignorant enough
to buy the lies and propaganda and die to protect the $$, greed and power
of the wealthy elite of society.
The wealthy keep themselves "free" by having enough $$ to employ fools
like you,
Post by => Vox Populi ©
and purchase other powerful "allies" as needed.
I work to protect all Americans, . . .
I'm not persuaded that arguing back and forth like you've been doing
with Vox shows that you ``work to protect all Americans''. While you
are arguing on the internet, more American soldiers have died in Iraq
and you've failed to protect them.
True
Post by David Lo
Actually, the Pentagon is talking about calling up more reservists and
guards for the occupation mission in Iraq, even though it will hurt
the already weakened economy if it does become a decision. If you
really are working for the Army right now, why aren't you there to
relieve some of the overworked fellow soldiers who want to come home?
I'm in the military, we don't get to write our own travel orders, but if
it makes you feel any better my unit will probably be going at the end of
this year for our rotation.
Post by David Lo
You could at least replaced that GI who called for Rumsfeld's
resignation on ABCNews or at least go stand before one of those who
were shot at to protect him/her from being shot at.
I agree, but as stated before I don't get to write the travel orders. If
I did, myself and most of the members of my unit would already be there.
Post by David Lo
One real issue is that all the people who argue for the war and then
the occupation are typically those who aren't at risk nor required to
do any fighting.
Your are correct on that one.
Post by David Lo
Another is that by supporting the war and now the occupation, you are
directly risking the lives of Americans, soldiers in places they are
hated or unwanted and civilians, here and abroad, everywhere in the
world, because of the suffering the war and occupation have caused.
The following article illustrates these two points very well: Here,
Major General Buford Blount's wife, well protected from the danger of
fighting is making phony speeches to stifle dissent while more
soldiers have died since and will die in the future.
The idea that criticism would embolden the enemy and thus risk drawing
more attacks is clearly ludicrous. The attackers do not decide to
stop simply because they haven't see any criticism in the open from US
soldiers when they are determined and have added up the number of hits
they've scored. This general's wife is simply not in a position to
speak to the wives of soldiers under her husband's command. She
doesn't have to worry about her husband's safety very much because
unless there are B2 bombers coming to bomb his division headquarter,
he's not exposed to life-threatening danger, unlike the husbands of
those women. And she had the gall to imply their actions had the
effect of encouraging the enemy and ``diminishing the resolve of the
American people to complete the task in Iraq''.
You are correct about her not being in a positions to speak about the
situation, but the enemies of the troops abroad and the US here at home will
continue their attacks, perhaps even increase the violence if they think
it's going to make the GI's go home, the propaganda machine is powerful,
look how well it helped the NVC in Vietnam.
Post by David Lo
So what does she have in mind for the husbands of these women in
anguish? (Ans.: ``to complete the task in Iraq'', however long!)
"We are committed to being in Iraq for the long haul," she said,
adding the mission would not be completed until a democratic
government is established in Iraq.
And what did she say, furthermore?
``Leaving now would further fuel hatred of the US in the region at
a time when "more Arab people hate America today than ever before,''
First, she claims, perhaps correctly but without attributing the true
cause, ``more Arab people hate America today than ever before''.
Then, a non-sequitur of ``Leaving now would further fuel hatred of the
US in the region''. If she were honest, she would have been able to
point out that the reason why more Arab people hate America today than
every before is because America has acted like a thug due to its
greedy, lying rulers.
Yeah, not so much. I'm not buying the whole US is hated by all Arabs bit
now.
Post by David Lo
And if she could reason, then the logical
conclusion to the premise of America being hated more today is to ask
America to redeem itself, renounce its thuggish way, and bring the
troops home. Nope, but that doesn't advance her husband's career, she
must have reckoned.
No, that would be a terrible idea. By pulling out we would not only be in
violation of several international laws (I'm not sure which one it is, but
there is a law that says that we have to rebuild after we destroy) but the
Iraqis that did work with the US would be in a serious world of hurt, and we
would send a message to the rest of the world that we can't be counted on to
back up our friends, and it would make us look like a week mission. I can
think of allot of reasons not to just up and leave.
Post by David Lo
The logic of war is wicked. First you make threat. Then you say you
can't back down or you'll lose credibility. So you make war. Then
you say you must use maximum force to protect your own troops and
minimize the distance to victory, regardless of the devastation and
how many people will be sacrificed. Then you impose your will on
other people regardless of their sentiment and with or without their
consent because you must have control over your hard earned success.
And finally, you must fight any resistance, even though it is a direct
result of your unilateral, oppressive actions, because again, your
credibility and your prestige in the world will be damaged if you
don't. The logic of war suits the politicians and the generals who
hold power and aren't at risk while they can freely expend the sons
and daughters and husbands and wives of ordinary citizens like printed
money.
I understand the logic behind war. What you seem to fail to realize is
that sometimes, sadly, it is the only way.
Post by David Lo
The logic of war does not admit the step of admitting mistakes and
therefore correcting them. There is no redemption in the logic of
war. So no wonder, war is fully and totally rejected by the man from
Nazareth who valued (and values) aboveall ^life^ for all.
Yeah well, good for him. Please don't bring God and Jesus into this, I
mean really how many have died in the name of God over the years? Religion
has been the cause of more violence than I can think of.
Post by David Lo
Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children
of God.
Jesus of Nazareth, according to Matthews 5:9
lo yeeOn
========
U.S. National - AFP
US army wives warned criticism can play into Iraqi fighter' hands
Fri Jul 18, 3:54 PM ET
HINESVILLE, Texas (AFP) - Disgruntled army wives have been warned that
their complaints about their husband's continued deployment in Iraq
(news - web sites) could play into enemy hands and further endanger US
troops on the ground.
"We need to be aware of the possible outcome of our outcries that
could backfire on us directly," said Anita Blount, whose husband Major
General Buford Blount commands the US 3rd Infantry Division in Iraq.
Many spouses of 3rd ID soldiers deployed in Iraq have criticized a
recent decision to postpone indefinitely the division's return.
"When the Iraqis see media coverage of disgruntled Americans, publicly
campaigning for the return of our soldiers from Iraq, they are
encouraged and believe their strategy is working," Anita Blount said
in an open letter to spouses of deployed soldiers published this week.
"They believe that their continued attacks on American soliders are
having the desired effect and are diminishing the resolve of the
American people to complete the task in Iraq," she said.
"We are committed to being in Iraq for the long haul," she said,
adding the mission would not be completed until a democratic
government is established in Iraq.
Leaving now would further fuel hatred of the US in the region at a
time when "more Arab people hate America today than ever before," she
said in the letter printed in The Frontline, the 3rd ID's newspaper.
=> Vox Populi ©
2003-07-20 17:29:29 UTC
Permalink
Post by j***@earthlink.net
No, that would be a terrible idea. By pulling out we would not
only be in violation of several international laws (I'm not sure
which one it is, but there is a law that says that we have to
rebuild after we destroy) but the Iraqis that did work with the US
would be in a serious world of hurt, and we would send a message to
the rest of the world that we can't be counted on to back up our
friends, and it would make us look like a week mission. I can think
of allot of reasons not to just up and leave.
So what happens if this drags on for another year and Bush is thrown
out of office by a disillusioned, increasingly unemployed electorate?
What will happen then to the Iraqis?
Same thing that has ALWAYS happens to ALL the failed U$$A foreign
policies, decent into chaos and decades of things being far worse than
they were before the idiot U$$A went in and screwed things up.

Check out these wonderful successes of U$$ military idiocy:
--
US Foreign Interventions, Attacks and Invasions since Vietnam

Cuba 1963 - today - US blockades island for 39 years. Numerous assassination
attempts against leader. Continued actions condemned by Human Rights Groups and
the United Nations General Assembly.

Australia 1973-75 - CIA interferes and manipulates free election process.

Chile 1973 - CIA backed coup ousts elected president, installs military Gen.
Pinochet. Decades of human rights abuses follow.

Portugal 1974 - CIA funnels millions to destabilize and sabotage NATO ally.

Angola 1976-92 - CIA assists South Africa-backed rebels.

Afghanistan 1979-82 - US supports, arms, trains Mujahadeen rebels including
rebel leader Osama Bin Laden.

El Salvador 1980-92 - US aids government condemned for gross human rights
violations.

Nicaragua 1981-92 - US directs and illegally supports contra war, mines harbor.
Allows open flow of narcotics into US. US actions condemned by the United
Nations World Court.

Chad 1982 - US supports overthrow of government. CIA supported secret police
kill and torture tens of thousands.

Libya 1982 - USA shoots down 2 Libyan jets.

Honduras 1982 -90 - US builds bases near borders, supports government that uses
Death Squads against it's citizens.

Lebanon 1982-84 - US bombs and shells Muslim positions, expels PLO from
territory.

Grenada 1983-84 - US military invades tiny island. 400 Grenadians killed. "Gross
violation" of international law condemned by United Nations.

Philippines 1986 - US supports corrupt govt of Ferdinand Marcos against popular
citizen uprising.

Iraq 1987-88 - US supports and arms Saddam Hussein's Iraq in war against Iran.

Iran 1988 - US shoots down Iranian passenger airliner, killing 290 civilians.
Claims it was an "accident".

Libya 1989 - US bombs capitol Tripoli killing 55 civilians. Calls it "collateral
damage".

Panama 1989 - US invades with 27,000 soldiers. Kills 3000+ Panamanians, kidnaps
it's own installed drug-dealing leader and CIA asset. Illegal US actions
condemned by nearly unanimous United Nations and Organization of American
States.

Kuwait 1991 - US invades Middle East, contradicting its position by intervening
in inter-Arab affairs. Returns Kuwaiti Monarchy accused of human right abuses to
throne.

Iraq 1990 - today - US randomly bombs civilian areas. Blockades Iraqi ports,
allows no humanitarian or medical aid. est. 10,000 Iraqi's starve/die monthly as
result.

Bulgaria 1991 - CIA funnels millions to destabilize one of the first freely
elected governments.

Somalia 1992-94 - US sends in humanitarian aid. Becomes involved in Civil war,
takes sides attacking one Mogadishu faction. Kills 500+ Somalis.

Peru 1992 - 01 - US provides military support, millions of dollars to corrupt
Fujimori government. Drug kingpin Vladimir Montesino on CIA payroll while
serving as Intelligence Chief. Involved directly in shooting down missionary
aircraft, killing American woman and her infant child.

Colombia 1992 - present - US supports Colombian military, heavily involved in
drug trafficking. 1,640 pounds of cocaine lands in Ft. Lauderdale Florida hidden
inside Colombian Air Force cargo plane. Nearly 20,000 people killed by US
supported military and para-military so far.

Bosnia 1993 - US naval blockade of Serbia and Montenegro.

Haiti 1994 - US blockades island government, CIA supports military coup to
remove elected President Aristide, then forcibly re-installs Aristide as
President after he agrees to US conditions of rule.

Sudan 1998 - US bombs Aspirin Factory in Khartoum killing civilians.

Afghanistan 1998 - US missiles kill 28 civilians

Yugoslavia 1999 - US laser-guided bombs destroy Chinese Embassy in Belgrade
killing three Chinese journalists.

Afghanistan 2001 - US bombs and invades destroying Taliban Gov't while looking
for Al Qaida. Fails to find Osama bin Laden.
Abandons the country in shambles, leaving the pieces to the vicious warlords.

Iraq 2003 - US bombs and invades against the will of the UN, kills 10,000s of
civilians, forcibly occupies country
and denies Iraqis democratic representation. To be continued ...
MM
--
"Naturally, the common people don't want war;
neither in Russia nor in England nor in America,
nor for that matter in Germany.
That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders
of the country who determine the policy and
it is always a simple matter to drag the people
along, whether it is a democracy or a fascist
dictatorship or a Parliament or a Communist
dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can
always be brought to the bidding of the leaders.
That is easy. All you have to do is tell them
they are being attacked and denounce the
pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing
the country to danger. It works the same way
in any country."

- Hermann Goering, Nazi Reichsmarshall
j***@earthlink.net
2003-07-20 17:44:47 UTC
Permalink
Post by => Vox Populi ©
Post by j***@earthlink.net
No, that would be a terrible idea. By pulling out we would not
only be in violation of several international laws (I'm not sure
which one it is, but there is a law that says that we have to
rebuild after we destroy) but the Iraqis that did work with the US
would be in a serious world of hurt, and we would send a message to
the rest of the world that we can't be counted on to back up our
friends, and it would make us look like a week mission. I can think
of allot of reasons not to just up and leave.
So what happens if this drags on for another year and Bush is thrown
out of office by a disillusioned, increasingly unemployed electorate?
What will happen then to the Iraqis?
Same thing that has ALWAYS happens to ALL the failed U$$A foreign
policies, decent into chaos and decades of things being far worse than
they were before the idiot U$$A went in and screwed things up.
--
US Foreign Interventions, Attacks and Invasions since Vietnam
Cuba 1963 - today - US blockades island for 39 years. Numerous
assassination
Post by => Vox Populi ©
attempts against leader. Continued actions condemned by Human Rights Groups and
the United Nations General Assembly.
Australia 1973-75 - CIA interferes and manipulates free election process.
Chile 1973 - CIA backed coup ousts elected president, installs military Gen.
Pinochet. Decades of human rights abuses follow.
Portugal 1974 - CIA funnels millions to destabilize and sabotage NATO ally.
Angola 1976-92 - CIA assists South Africa-backed rebels.
Afghanistan 1979-82 - US supports, arms, trains Mujahadeen rebels including
rebel leader Osama Bin Laden.
El Salvador 1980-92 - US aids government condemned for gross human rights
violations.
Nicaragua 1981-92 - US directs and illegally supports contra war, mines harbor.
Allows open flow of narcotics into US. US actions condemned by the United
Nations World Court.
Chad 1982 - US supports overthrow of government. CIA supported secret police
kill and torture tens of thousands.
Libya 1982 - USA shoots down 2 Libyan jets.
Honduras 1982 -90 - US builds bases near borders, supports government that uses
Death Squads against it's citizens.
Lebanon 1982-84 - US bombs and shells Muslim positions, expels PLO from
territory.
Grenada 1983-84 - US military invades tiny island. 400 Grenadians killed. "Gross
violation" of international law condemned by United Nations.
Philippines 1986 - US supports corrupt govt of Ferdinand Marcos against popular
citizen uprising.
Iraq 1987-88 - US supports and arms Saddam Hussein's Iraq in war against Iran.
Iran 1988 - US shoots down Iranian passenger airliner, killing 290 civilians.
Claims it was an "accident".
Libya 1989 - US bombs capitol Tripoli killing 55 civilians. Calls it "collateral
damage".
Panama 1989 - US invades with 27,000 soldiers. Kills 3000+ Panamanians, kidnaps
it's own installed drug-dealing leader and CIA asset. Illegal US actions
condemned by nearly unanimous United Nations and Organization of American
States.
Kuwait 1991 - US invades Middle East, contradicting its position by intervening
in inter-Arab affairs. Returns Kuwaiti Monarchy accused of human right abuses to
throne.
Iraq 1990 - today - US randomly bombs civilian areas. Blockades Iraqi ports,
allows no humanitarian or medical aid. est. 10,000 Iraqi's starve/die monthly as
result.
Bulgaria 1991 - CIA funnels millions to destabilize one of the first freely
elected governments.
Somalia 1992-94 - US sends in humanitarian aid. Becomes involved in Civil war,
takes sides attacking one Mogadishu faction. Kills 500+ Somalis.
Peru 1992 - 01 - US provides military support, millions of dollars to corrupt
Fujimori government. Drug kingpin Vladimir Montesino on CIA payroll while
serving as Intelligence Chief. Involved directly in shooting down missionary
aircraft, killing American woman and her infant child.
Colombia 1992 - present - US supports Colombian military, heavily involved in
drug trafficking. 1,640 pounds of cocaine lands in Ft. Lauderdale Florida hidden
inside Colombian Air Force cargo plane. Nearly 20,000 people killed by US
supported military and para-military so far.
Bosnia 1993 - US naval blockade of Serbia and Montenegro.
Haiti 1994 - US blockades island government, CIA supports military coup to
remove elected President Aristide, then forcibly re-installs Aristide as
President after he agrees to US conditions of rule.
Sudan 1998 - US bombs Aspirin Factory in Khartoum killing civilians.
Afghanistan 1998 - US missiles kill 28 civilians
Yugoslavia 1999 - US laser-guided bombs destroy Chinese Embassy in Belgrade
killing three Chinese journalists.
Afghanistan 2001 - US bombs and invades destroying Taliban Gov't while looking
for Al Qaida. Fails to find Osama bin Laden.
Abandons the country in shambles, leaving the pieces to the vicious warlords.
We didn't abandon afghanistan, there is still troops there conducting
operations.
Post by => Vox Populi ©
Iraq 2003 - US bombs and invades against the will of the UN, kills 10,000s of
civilians, forcibly occupies country
and denies Iraqis democratic representation. To be continued ...
10,000s of civilians huh? Big number. Go spread you lies elsewhere troll.
Post by => Vox Populi ©
MM
--
"Naturally, the common people don't want war;
neither in Russia nor in England nor in America,
nor for that matter in Germany.
That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders
of the country who determine the policy and
it is always a simple matter to drag the people
along, whether it is a democracy or a fascist
dictatorship or a Parliament or a Communist
dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can
always be brought to the bidding of the leaders.
That is easy. All you have to do is tell them
they are being attacked and denounce the
pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing
the country to danger. It works the same way
in any country."
- Hermann Goering, Nazi Reichsmarshall
Fred J. McCall
2003-07-20 15:54:51 UTC
Permalink
***@panix.com (David Lo) wrote:

:Actually, the Pentagon is talking about calling up more reservists and
:guards for the occupation mission in Iraq, even though it will hurt
:the already weakened economy if it does become a decision.

How's that going to work, again? You have this pretty much backwards.
Calling people up means they have to be replaced. This gives people
jobs.

:One real issue is that all the people who argue for the war and then
:the occupation are typically those who aren't at risk nor required to
:do any fighting.

How many years do you have in uniform, Mr Lo? How many times have you
been shot at? I will happily make the comparison with you. It looks
to me like its the apologists for terrorists (if they're of the right
political stripe) who are the ones arguing AGAINST doing anything.
Most folks in uniform find your lot nauseating, so please don't try to
hide behind a pretended concern for them. They don't want your
'help'.

:The idea that criticism would embolden the enemy and thus risk drawing
:more attacks is clearly ludicrous.

Only to those without two neurons to slap together. CERTAINLY
criticism emboldens the enemy. We learned this long, long ago. If it
looks like your tactics are having an effect (you see more and more
criticism within the body politic of your enemy with regard to staying
and fighting), would that not embolden YOU?

:The attackers do not decide to
:stop simply because they haven't see any criticism in the open from US
:soldiers when they are determined and have added up the number of hits
:they've scored.

No, but they DO decide to try harder and are more likely to not give
up when they DO see it. You're merely engaging in deliberately
specious reversal of logic here.

:This general's wife is simply not in a position to
:speak to the wives of soldiers under her husband's command. She
:doesn't have to worry about her husband's safety very much because
:unless there are B2 bombers coming to bomb his division headquarter,
:he's not exposed to life-threatening danger, unlike the husbands of
:those women. And she had the gall to imply their actions had the
:effect of encouraging the enemy and ``diminishing the resolve of the
:American people to complete the task in Iraq''.

Why, how DARE she have an opinion! Everyone knows that the right to
speak is restricted to only those who agree with Mr Lo!

And she's more correct than you are, David.

:And what did she say, furthermore?
:
: ``Leaving now would further fuel hatred of the US in the region at
: a time when "more Arab people hate America today than ever before,''
:
:First, she claims, perhaps correctly but without attributing the true
:cause, ``more Arab people hate America today than ever before''.
:Then, a non-sequitur of ``Leaving now would further fuel hatred of the
:US in the region''.

This is only a "non-sequitur [sic]" for those who aren't paying
attention. Try looking at it this way, Mr Lo. We go in, take out all
central authority (so the place is basically an anarchic mess),
encourage the majority who were always against Saddam Hussein to speak
up and take charge, and then leave them with the mess (and the
resurgent Baathist forces, who WOULD come back if we weren't there).

Yeah, that's a GREAT way to win friends and influence people.

:If she were honest, she would have been able to
:point out that the reason why more Arab people hate America today than
:every before is because America has acted like a thug due to its
:greedy, lying rulers.

Translation aid: "honest" ==> 'deluded'
--
"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed
and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks
that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has
nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more
important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature,
and has no chance of being free unless made or kept so by the
exertions of better men than himself."
--John Stuart Mill
free.teranews.com
2003-07-20 16:31:26 UTC
Permalink
Post by Fred J. McCall
:Actually, the Pentagon is talking about calling up more reservists and
:guards for the occupation mission in Iraq, even though it will hurt
:the already weakened economy if it does become a decision.
How's that going to work, again? You have this pretty much backwards.
Calling people up means they have to be replaced. This gives people
jobs.
:One real issue is that all the people who argue for the war and then
:the occupation are typically those who aren't at risk nor required to
:do any fighting.
How many years do you have in uniform, Mr Lo? How many times have you
been shot at? I will happily make the comparison with you. It looks
to me like its the apologists for terrorists (if they're of the right
political stripe) who are the ones arguing AGAINST doing anything.
Most folks in uniform find your lot nauseating, so please don't try to
hide behind a pretended concern for them. They don't want your
'help'.
:The idea that criticism would embolden the enemy and thus risk drawing
:more attacks is clearly ludicrous.
Only to those without two neurons to slap together. CERTAINLY
criticism emboldens the enemy. We learned this long, long ago. If it
looks like your tactics are having an effect (you see more and more
criticism within the body politic of your enemy with regard to staying
and fighting), would that not embolden YOU?
:The attackers do not decide to
:stop simply because they haven't see any criticism in the open from US
:soldiers when they are determined and have added up the number of hits
:they've scored.
No, but they DO decide to try harder and are more likely to not give
up when they DO see it. You're merely engaging in deliberately
specious reversal of logic here.
:This general's wife is simply not in a position to
:speak to the wives of soldiers under her husband's command. She
:doesn't have to worry about her husband's safety very much because
:unless there are B2 bombers coming to bomb his division headquarter,
:he's not exposed to life-threatening danger, unlike the husbands of
:those women. And she had the gall to imply their actions had the
:effect of encouraging the enemy and ``diminishing the resolve of the
:American people to complete the task in Iraq''.
Why, how DARE she have an opinion! Everyone knows that the right to
speak is restricted to only those who agree with Mr Lo!
And she's more correct than you are, David.
:And what did she say, furthermore?
: ``Leaving now would further fuel hatred of the US in the region at
: a time when "more Arab people hate America today than ever before,''
:First, she claims, perhaps correctly but without attributing the true
:cause, ``more Arab people hate America today than ever before''.
:Then, a non-sequitur of ``Leaving now would further fuel hatred of the
:US in the region''.
This is only a "non-sequitur [sic]" for those who aren't paying
attention. Try looking at it this way, Mr Lo. We go in, take out all
central authority (so the place is basically an anarchic mess),
encourage the majority who were always against Saddam Hussein to speak
up and take charge, and then leave them with the mess (and the
resurgent Baathist forces, who WOULD come back if we weren't there).
Yeah, that's a GREAT way to win friends and influence people.
The question is, do we leave a government in Iraq representative is the
iraqi people's interest, or the US? George Bush's motivations are suspect,
and US history is dark with totalitarian goverments. Iran still hasn't
forgotton the Shah and I'm sure the Iraqi public are well aware of that
small fact. We have no bonfides since WWII as a benevolent invading force or
intervenor, especially in the middle east.
=> Vox Populi ©
2003-07-20 16:28:13 UTC
Permalink
Post by free.teranews.com
Post by Fred J. McCall
Post by David Lo
Actually, the Pentagon is talking about calling up more reservists
and guards for the occupation mission in Iraq, even though it will
hurt
the already weakened economy if it does become a decision.
How's that going to work, again? You have this pretty much
backwards. Calling people up means they have to be replaced. This
gives people jobs.
Post by David Lo
One real issue is that all the people who argue for the war and then
the occupation are typically those who aren't at risk nor required to
do any fighting.
How many years do you have in uniform, Mr Lo? How many times have
you been shot at? I will happily make the comparison with you. It
looks
to me like its the apologists for terrorists (if they're of the right
political stripe) who are the ones arguing AGAINST doing anything.
Most folks in uniform find your lot nauseating, so please don't try
to hide behind a pretended concern for them. They don't want your
'help'.
Post by David Lo
The idea that criticism would embolden the enemy and thus risk
drawing more attacks is clearly ludicrous.
Only to those without two neurons to slap together. CERTAINLY
criticism emboldens the enemy. We learned this long, long ago. If
it looks like your tactics are having an effect (you see more and
more criticism within the body politic of your enemy with regard to
staying and fighting), would that not embolden YOU?
Post by David Lo
The attackers do not decide to
stop simply because they haven't see any criticism in the open from
US soldiers when they are determined and have added up the number
of hits they've scored.
No, but they DO decide to try harder and are more likely to not give
up when they DO see it. You're merely engaging in deliberately
specious reversal of logic here.
Post by David Lo
This general's wife is simply not in a position to
speak to the wives of soldiers under her husband's command. She
doesn't have to worry about her husband's safety very much because
unless there are B2 bombers coming to bomb his division headquarter,
he's not exposed to life-threatening danger, unlike the husbands of
those women. And she had the gall to imply their actions had the
effect of encouraging the enemy and ``diminishing the resolve of the
American people to complete the task in Iraq''.
Why, how DARE she have an opinion! Everyone knows that the right to
speak is restricted to only those who agree with Mr Lo!
And she's more correct than you are, David.
Post by David Lo
And what did she say, furthermore?
``Leaving now would further fuel hatred of the US in the region at
a time when "more Arab people hate America today than ever
before,''
First, she claims, perhaps correctly but without attributing the
true cause, ``more Arab people hate America today than ever
before''.
Then, a non-sequitur of ``Leaving now would further fuel hatred of
the US in the region''.
This is only a "non-sequitur [sic]" for those who aren't paying
attention. Try looking at it this way, Mr Lo. We go in, take out
all central authority (so the place is basically an anarchic mess),
encourage the majority who were always against Saddam Hussein to speak
up and take charge, and then leave them with the mess (and the
resurgent Baathist forces, who WOULD come back if we weren't there).
Yeah, that's a GREAT way to win friends and influence people.
The question is, do we leave a government in Iraq representative is
the iraqi people's interest,
A theocratic Muslim state?
Post by free.teranews.com
or the US?
Do you really believe the US will allow a "one man one vote" democracy there?
Post by free.teranews.com
George Bush's motivations are
suspect,
You misspelled "criminal".
Post by free.teranews.com
and US history is dark with totalitarian goverments.
Dictators and tyrants are fine with the U$ as long as they
are pro-U$ dictators and tyrants.
Post by free.teranews.com
Iran
still hasn't forgotton the Shah and I'm sure the Iraqi public are
well aware of that small fact. We have no bonfides since WWII as a
benevolent invading force or intervenor, especially in the middle
east.
--
US Foreign Interventions and Invasions since Vietnam

Cuba 1963 - today - US blockades island for 39 years. Numerous assassination
attempts against leader. Continued actions condemned by Human Rights Groups and
the United Nations General Assembly.

Australia 1973-75 - CIA interferes and manipulates free election process.

Chile 1973 - CIA backed coup ousts elected president, installs military Gen.
Pinochet. Decades of human rights abuses follow.

Portugal 1974 - CIA funnels millions to destabilize and sabotage NATO ally.

Angola 1976-92 - CIA assists South Africa-backed rebels.

Afghanistan 1979-82 - US supports, arms, trains Mujahadeen rebels including
rebel leader Osama Bin Laden.

El Salvador 1980-92 - US aids government condemned for gross human rights
violations.

Nicaragua 1981-92 - US directs and illegally supports contra war, mines harbor.
Allows open flow of narcotics into US. US actions condemned by the United
Nations World Court.

Chad 1982 - US supports overthrow of government. CIA supported secret police
kill and torture tens of thousands.

Libya 1982 - USA shoots down 2 Libyan jets.

Honduras 1982 -90 - US builds bases near borders, supports government that uses
Death Squads against it's citizens.

Lebanon 1982-84 - US bombs and shells Muslim positions, expels PLO from
territory.

Grenada 1983-84 - US military invades tiny island. 400 Grenadians killed. "Gross
violation" of international law condemned by United Nations.

Philippines 1986 - US supports corrupt govt of Ferdinand Marcos against popular
citizen uprising.

Iraq 1987-88 - US supports and arms Saddam Hussein's Iraq in war against Iran.

Iran 1988 - US shoots down Iranian passenger airliner, killing 290 civilians.
Claims it was an "accident".

Libya 1989 - US bombs capitol Tripoli killing 55 civilians. Calls it "collateral
damage".

Panama 1989 - US invades with 27,000 soldiers. Kills 3000+ Panamanians, kidnaps
it's own installed drug-dealing leader and CIA asset. Illegal US actions
condemned by nearly unanimous United Nations and Organization of American
States.

Kuwait 1991 - US invades Middle East, contradicting its position by intervening
in inter-Arab affairs. Returns Kuwaiti Monarchy accused of human right abuses to
throne.

Iraq 1990 - today - US randomly bombs civilian areas. Blockades Iraqi ports,
allows no humanitarian or medical aid. est. 10,000 Iraqi's starve/die monthly as
result.

Bulgaria 1991 - CIA funnels millions to destabilize one of the first freely
elected governments.

Somalia 1992-94 - US sends in humanitarian aid. Becomes involved in Civil war,
takes sides attacking one Mogadishu faction. Kills 500+ Somalis.

Peru 1992 - 01 - US provides military support, millions of dollars to corrupt
Fujimori government. Drug kingpin Vladimir Montesino on CIA payroll while
serving as Intelligence Chief. Involved directly in shooting down missionary
aircraft, killing American woman and her infant child.

Colombia 1992 - present - US supports Colombian military, heavily involved in
drug trafficking. 1,640 pounds of cocaine lands in Ft. Lauderdale Florida hidden
inside Colombian Air Force cargo plane. Nearly 20,000 people killed by US
supported military and para-military so far.

Bosnia 1993 - US naval blockade of Serbia and Montenegro.

Haiti 1994 - US blockades island government, CIA supports military coup to
remove elected President Aristide, then forcibly re-installs Aristide as
President after he agrees to US conditions of rule.

Sudan 1998 - US bombs Aspirin Factory in Khartoum killing civilians.

Afghanistan 1998 - US missiles kill 28 civilians

Yugoslavia 1999 - US laser-guided bombs destroy Chinese Embassy in Belgrade
killing three Chinese journalists.

Afghanistan 2001 - US bombs and invades destroying Taliban Gov't while looking
for Al Qaida. Fails to find Osama bin Laden.
Abandons the country in shambles, leaving the pieces to the vicious warlords.

Iraq 2003 - US bombs and invades against the will of the UN, under the false and
fabricated pretence of imminent threat. Kills
10,000s of innocent civilians, forcibly occupies country and denies Iraqis
democratic representation. To be continued ...
Bush is an evil fundamentalist
2003-07-20 16:55:13 UTC
Permalink
Post by => Vox Populi ©
Post by free.teranews.com
Post by Fred J. McCall
Post by David Lo
Actually, the Pentagon is talking about calling up more reservists
and guards for the occupation mission in Iraq, even though it will
hurt
the already weakened economy if it does become a decision.
How's that going to work, again? You have this pretty much
backwards. Calling people up means they have to be replaced. This
gives people jobs.
Post by David Lo
One real issue is that all the people who argue for the war and then
the occupation are typically those who aren't at risk nor required to
do any fighting.
How many years do you have in uniform, Mr Lo? How many times have
you been shot at? I will happily make the comparison with you. It
looks
to me like its the apologists for terrorists (if they're of the right
political stripe) who are the ones arguing AGAINST doing anything.
Most folks in uniform find your lot nauseating, so please don't try
to hide behind a pretended concern for them. They don't want your
'help'.
Post by David Lo
The idea that criticism would embolden the enemy and thus risk
drawing more attacks is clearly ludicrous.
Only to those without two neurons to slap together. CERTAINLY
criticism emboldens the enemy. We learned this long, long ago. If
it looks like your tactics are having an effect (you see more and
more criticism within the body politic of your enemy with regard to
staying and fighting), would that not embolden YOU?
Post by David Lo
The attackers do not decide to
stop simply because they haven't see any criticism in the open from
US soldiers when they are determined and have added up the number
of hits they've scored.
No, but they DO decide to try harder and are more likely to not give
up when they DO see it. You're merely engaging in deliberately
specious reversal of logic here.
Post by David Lo
This general's wife is simply not in a position to
speak to the wives of soldiers under her husband's command. She
doesn't have to worry about her husband's safety very much because
unless there are B2 bombers coming to bomb his division headquarter,
he's not exposed to life-threatening danger, unlike the husbands of
those women. And she had the gall to imply their actions had the
effect of encouraging the enemy and ``diminishing the resolve of the
American people to complete the task in Iraq''.
Why, how DARE she have an opinion! Everyone knows that the right to
speak is restricted to only those who agree with Mr Lo!
And she's more correct than you are, David.
Post by David Lo
And what did she say, furthermore?
``Leaving now would further fuel hatred of the US in the region at
a time when "more Arab people hate America today than ever before,''
First, she claims, perhaps correctly but without attributing the
true cause, ``more Arab people hate America today than ever
before''.
Then, a non-sequitur of ``Leaving now would further fuel hatred of
the US in the region''.
This is only a "non-sequitur [sic]" for those who aren't paying
attention. Try looking at it this way, Mr Lo. We go in, take out
all central authority (so the place is basically an anarchic mess),
encourage the majority who were always against Saddam Hussein to speak
up and take charge, and then leave them with the mess (and the
resurgent Baathist forces, who WOULD come back if we weren't there).
Yeah, that's a GREAT way to win friends and influence people.
The question is, do we leave a government in Iraq representative is
the iraqi people's interest,
A theocratic Muslim state?
Why not we support a jewish one, although it goes to great length to show
that it has a 'vote', despite the fact that it is a military imperative
government.
Post by => Vox Populi ©
Post by free.teranews.com
or the US?
Do you really believe the US will allow a "one man one vote" democracy there?
Not really. Most iraqis would rather have nothing to do with us - we
supported saddam decades ago during his coup, we supported him and looked by
as he gassed his own people, now we're here to 'liberate' them?
Post by => Vox Populi ©
Post by free.teranews.com
George Bush's motivations are
suspect,
You misspelled "criminal".
Post by free.teranews.com
and US history is dark with totalitarian goverments.
Dictators and tyrants are fine with the U$ as long as they
are pro-U$ dictators and tyrants.
History doesn't lie.
=> Vox Populi ©
2003-07-20 16:22:36 UTC
Permalink
Post by Fred J. McCall
Post by David Lo
Actually, the Pentagon is talking about calling up more reservists
and guards for the occupation mission in Iraq, even though it will
hurt the already weakened economy if it does become a decision.
How's that going to work, again? You have this pretty much backwards.
Calling people up means they have to be replaced. This gives people
jobs.
The morons and dolts who make up the U$ miltary don't contribute
sufficiently to the economy, and while you are correct that many
would be un-employed if they had to fend for themselves in the private
sectors, the costs to the U$ treasure to logistically deploy and support
them 10,000s miles from home far exceed any $$ earned by them.
Post by Fred J. McCall
Post by David Lo
One real issue is that all the people who argue for the war and then
the occupation are typically those who aren't at risk nor required to
do any fighting.
How many years do you have in uniform, Mr Lo?
Irrelevant to the topic and point under discussion.
Post by Fred J. McCall
How many times have you
been shot at?
Even more irrelevant than your previous pathetic question.
Post by Fred J. McCall
I will happily make the comparison with you.
Of course you would, as you are an ignorant moron who
can't make valid analogies. You juvenile attempt at comparison
fails logically as Mr Lo ISN'T calling for the deployment of
U$ troops to Iraq, quite the contrary.
Post by Fred J. McCall
It looks
to me like
You've already shown us that your views are absurdly irrational
and illogical.
Post by Fred J. McCall
its the apologists for terrorists (if they're of the right
political stripe) who are the ones arguing AGAINST doing anything.
Most folks in uniform find your lot nauseating,
Too bad you don't speak for "most folks in uniform" , liar.
Post by Fred J. McCall
so please don't try to
hide behind a pretended concern for them. They don't want your
'help'.
They'd prefer the "concern" the lying criminal Commander in Chief
GW Bu$h and his Mob exudes for them ...?
Perhaps that's why the Soldiers themselves are openly criticizing
the failed Whitehouse policies and overtly calling for Scumbag Rumsfeld
to resign ...?
Post by Fred J. McCall
Post by David Lo
The idea that criticism would embolden the enemy and thus risk
drawing more attacks is clearly ludicrous.
Only to those without two neurons to slap together. CERTAINLY
criticism emboldens the enemy.
You, and cretins like you, are the ememy you scumbag fascist.
--
"To announce that there must be no
criticism of the President or
that we are to stand by the President
right or wrong is not only
unpatriotic and servile
but it is morally treasonable to the
American public."

-Theodore Roosevelt, 1918
Post by Fred J. McCall
We learned this long, long ago. If it
looks like your tactics are having an effect (you see more and more
criticism within the body politic of your enemy with regard to staying
and fighting), would that not embolden YOU?
Only an idiot like you makes strategic life and death decisions
based on annecdotal propaganda ... you're a fucking idiot.
Post by Fred J. McCall
Post by David Lo
The attackers do not decide to
stop simply because they haven't see any criticism in the open from
US soldiers when they are determined and have added up the number of
hits they've scored.
No, but they DO decide to try harder and are more likely to not give
up when they DO see it. You're merely engaging in deliberately
specious reversal of logic here.
You incorrectly assume that everyone else, including the "ememy" is
as profoundly stupid and ignorant as you are, and that they are
motivated by the same puerile, base unreasoned emotional dysfunctions
that you are.
Post by Fred J. McCall
Post by David Lo
This general's wife is simply not in a position to
speak to the wives of soldiers under her husband's command. She
doesn't have to worry about her husband's safety very much because
unless there are B2 bombers coming to bomb his division headquarter,
he's not exposed to life-threatening danger, unlike the husbands of
those women. And she had the gall to imply their actions had the
effect of encouraging the enemy and ``diminishing the resolve of the
American people to complete the task in Iraq''.
Why, how DARE she have an opinion! Everyone knows that the right to
speak is restricted to only those who agree with Mr Lo!
And she's more correct than you are, David.
Post by David Lo
And what did she say, furthermore?
``Leaving now would further fuel hatred of the US in the region at
a time when "more Arab people hate America today than ever
before,''
First, she claims, perhaps correctly but without attributing the true
cause, ``more Arab people hate America today than ever before''.
Then, a non-sequitur of ``Leaving now would further fuel hatred of
the US in the region''.
This is only a "non-sequitur [sic]" for those who aren't paying
attention. Try looking at it this way, Mr Lo. We go in, take out all
central authority (so the place is basically an anarchic mess),
Brilliant Bu$h strategy ... create power vacuums so that they can
be used a future excuses to continuously invade and stabilize the
situations you created ...
Post by Fred J. McCall
encourage the majority who were always against Saddam Hussein to speak
up and take charge, and then leave them with the mess (and the
resurgent Baathist forces, who WOULD come back if we weren't there).
What you will get in Iraq, whether you want it or not, and everyone outside the
illiterate
ignorant U$$A predicted and warned against, is a radical Theocratic Muslim
State.

You fucking idiot didn't learn a damn thing from the history of Afghanistan,
when you helped throw the stabilizing Russians out in typical red scare frenzy,
leaving the country to it's own "free will" which happened in the end to be
very anti-American ...
Post by Fred J. McCall
Yeah, that's a GREAT way to win friends and influence people.
Post by David Lo
If she were honest, she would have been able to
point out that the reason why more Arab people hate America today
than every before is because America has acted like a thug due to its
greedy, lying rulers.
Translation aid: "honest" ==> 'deluded'
--
"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom.
As nations become more corrupt and vicious,
they have more need of masters. "
- Benjamin Franklin
j***@earthlink.net
2003-07-20 17:01:01 UTC
Permalink
Post by => Vox Populi ©
Post by Fred J. McCall
Post by David Lo
Actually, the Pentagon is talking about calling up more reservists
and guards for the occupation mission in Iraq, even though it will
hurt the already weakened economy if it does become a decision.
How's that going to work, again? You have this pretty much backwards.
Calling people up means they have to be replaced. This gives people
jobs.
The morons and dolts who make up the U$ miltary don't contribute
sufficiently to the economy, and while you are correct that many
would be un-employed if they had to fend for themselves in the private
sectors, the costs to the U$ treasure to logistically deploy and support
them 10,000s miles from home far exceed any $$ earned by them.
How do you figure they dont contribute to the economy? What happens to
the towns around military bases that close down?
Post by => Vox Populi ©
Post by Fred J. McCall
Post by David Lo
One real issue is that all the people who argue for the war and then
the occupation are typically those who aren't at risk nor required to
do any fighting.
How many years do you have in uniform, Mr Lo?
Irrelevant to the topic and point under discussion.
Post by Fred J. McCall
How many times have you
been shot at?
Even more irrelevant than your previous pathetic question.
Post by Fred J. McCall
I will happily make the comparison with you.
Of course you would, as you are an ignorant moron who
can't make valid analogies. You juvenile attempt at comparison
fails logically as Mr Lo ISN'T calling for the deployment of
U$ troops to Iraq, quite the contrary.
Post by Fred J. McCall
It looks
to me like
You've already shown us that your views are absurdly irrational
and illogical.
Post by Fred J. McCall
its the apologists for terrorists (if they're of the right
political stripe) who are the ones arguing AGAINST doing anything.
Most folks in uniform find your lot nauseating,
Too bad you don't speak for "most folks in uniform" , liar.
Actually he does jackass.
Post by => Vox Populi ©
Post by Fred J. McCall
so please don't try to
hide behind a pretended concern for them. They don't want your
'help'.
They'd prefer the "concern" the lying criminal Commander in Chief
GW Bu$h and his Mob exudes for them ...?
Perhaps that's why the Soldiers themselves are openly criticizing
the failed Whitehouse policies and overtly calling for Scumbag Rumsfeld
to resign ...?
Post by Fred J. McCall
Post by David Lo
The idea that criticism would embolden the enemy and thus risk
drawing more attacks is clearly ludicrous.
Only to those without two neurons to slap together. CERTAINLY
criticism emboldens the enemy.
You, and cretins like you, are the ememy you scumbag fascist.
--
"To announce that there must be no
criticism of the President or
that we are to stand by the President
right or wrong is not only
unpatriotic and servile
but it is morally treasonable to the
American public."
-Theodore Roosevelt, 1918
Post by Fred J. McCall
We learned this long, long ago. If it
looks like your tactics are having an effect (you see more and more
criticism within the body politic of your enemy with regard to staying
and fighting), would that not embolden YOU?
Only an idiot like you makes strategic life and death decisions
based on annecdotal propaganda ... you're a fucking idiot.
Post by Fred J. McCall
Post by David Lo
The attackers do not decide to
stop simply because they haven't see any criticism in the open from
US soldiers when they are determined and have added up the number of
hits they've scored.
No, but they DO decide to try harder and are more likely to not give
up when they DO see it. You're merely engaging in deliberately
specious reversal of logic here.
You incorrectly assume that everyone else, including the "ememy" is
as profoundly stupid and ignorant as you are, and that they are
motivated by the same puerile, base unreasoned emotional dysfunctions
that you are.
Post by Fred J. McCall
Post by David Lo
This general's wife is simply not in a position to
speak to the wives of soldiers under her husband's command. She
doesn't have to worry about her husband's safety very much because
unless there are B2 bombers coming to bomb his division headquarter,
he's not exposed to life-threatening danger, unlike the husbands of
those women. And she had the gall to imply their actions had the
effect of encouraging the enemy and ``diminishing the resolve of the
American people to complete the task in Iraq''.
Why, how DARE she have an opinion! Everyone knows that the right to
speak is restricted to only those who agree with Mr Lo!
And she's more correct than you are, David.
Post by David Lo
And what did she say, furthermore?
``Leaving now would further fuel hatred of the US in the region at
a time when "more Arab people hate America today than ever before,''
First, she claims, perhaps correctly but without attributing the true
cause, ``more Arab people hate America today than ever before''.
Then, a non-sequitur of ``Leaving now would further fuel hatred of
the US in the region''.
This is only a "non-sequitur [sic]" for those who aren't paying
attention. Try looking at it this way, Mr Lo. We go in, take out all
central authority (so the place is basically an anarchic mess),
Brilliant Bu$h strategy ... create power vacuums so that they can
be used a future excuses to continuously invade and stabilize the
situations you created ...
Post by Fred J. McCall
encourage the majority who were always against Saddam Hussein to speak
up and take charge, and then leave them with the mess (and the
resurgent Baathist forces, who WOULD come back if we weren't there).
What you will get in Iraq, whether you want it or not, and everyone outside the
illiterate
ignorant U$$A predicted and warned against, is a radical Theocratic Muslim
State.
You fucking idiot didn't learn a damn thing from the history of Afghanistan,
when you helped throw the stabilizing Russians out in typical red scare frenzy,
leaving the country to it's own "free will" which happened in the end to be
very anti-American ...
Post by Fred J. McCall
Yeah, that's a GREAT way to win friends and influence people.
Post by David Lo
If she were honest, she would have been able to
point out that the reason why more Arab people hate America today
than every before is because America has acted like a thug due to its
greedy, lying rulers.
Translation aid: "honest" ==> 'deluded'
--
"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom.
As nations become more corrupt and vicious,
they have more need of masters. "
- Benjamin Franklin
=> Vox Populi ©
2003-07-20 17:33:03 UTC
Permalink
On Sun, 20 Jul 2003 15:54:51 GMT, Fred J. McCall
Post by Fred J. McCall
How many years do you have in uniform, Mr Lo? How many times have
you been shot at? I will happily make the comparison with you. It
looks to me like its the apologists for terrorists (if they're of
the right political stripe) who are the ones arguing AGAINST doing
anything. Most folks in uniform find your lot nauseating, so please
don't try to hide behind a pretended concern for them. They don't
want your 'help'.
How does the preemptive attack upon Iraq help combat terrorism? The
terrorists who perpetrated 9/11 were largely from Saudi Arabia.
And they no doubt considered 9/11 to be a "pre-emptive" attack against
the U$$A ...
Terrorism is best fought with intelligence and psyops, not soldiers
and tanks.
And you count on the idiot ex-drunkard Bu$h for "intelligence" and psychological
stability ...?

Why not hire Mike Tyson to be the U$ Ambassador to the UN ...?
MM
--
A multitude of laws in a country is like
a great number of physicians,
a sign of weakness and malady
-- Voltaire
=> Vox Populi ©
2003-07-20 15:03:47 UTC
Permalink
Post by => Vox Populi ©
Proof the U$$A is the #1 nation on earth.
Those stats (snipped) were very interesting. Where did you get them
from?
-2 grammar, sentences don't end in prepositions.

US DOJ
FBI Bureau of Justice Statistics
Sourcebook of Criminal Justice Statistics
World Factbook of Criminal Justice Systems
United Nations Criminal Justice Network
Cheers!
MM
--
Proof the U$$A is the "greatest" nation on earth:

Prisoners (per 1,000 people)

United States 4.2
United Kingdom 1.0
Germany 0.8
France 0.8
Austria 0.8
Spain 0.8
Switzerland 0.7
Denmark 0.7
Belgium 0.7
Italy 0.6
Sweden 0.6
Japan 0.4
Netherlands 0.4

Annual reports of police brutality (per 100,000 people)

United States 92.5
United Kingdom 6.0
France 0.7

Death row inmates

United States 2,124
Japan 38
All others 0

Murder rate (per 100,000 people)

United States 8.40
Canada 5.45
Denmark 5.17
France 4.60
Portugal 4.50
Australia 4.48
Germany 4.20
Belgium 2.80
Spain 2.28
Switzerland 2.25
Italy 2.18
Norway 1.99
United Kingdom 1.97
Austria 1.80
Greece 1.76
Sweden 1.73
Japan 1.20
Ireland 0.96
Finland 0.70

Murder rate for males age 15-24 (per 100,000 people)

United States 24.4
Canada 2.6
Sweden 2.3
Norway 2.3
Finland 2.3
Denmark 2.2
United Kingdom 2.0
Netherlands 1.2
Germany 0.9
Japan 0.5

Rape (per 100,000 people)

United States 37.20
Sweden 15.70
Denmark 11.23
Germany 8.60
Norway 7.87
United Kingdom 7.26
Finland 7.20
France 6.77
Switzerland 6.15
Luxembourg 5.00
Spain 4.43
Austria 4.40
Belgium 4.00
Greece 2.40
Ireland 1.72
Japan 1.40
Portugal 1.20

Armed robbery (per 100,000 people)

United States 221
Canada 94
France 90
Belgium 66
United Kingdom 63
Italy 50
Sweden 49
Germany 47
Ireland 46
Denmark 44
Finland 38
Switzerland 23
Norway 22
Greece 7
Japan 1



TYPE OF OFFENSE (Sentenced Pop. Only) - Federal Prisoners

Drug Offenses 59.6%
Robbery 9.8%
Property Offenses 5.5%
Extortion, Fraud, Bribery 6.8%
Violent Offenses 2.7%
Firearms, Explosives, Arson 8.6%
White Collar 1.0%
Immigration 2.8%
Courts or Corrections 0.8%
National Security 0.1%
Continuing Criminal Enterprise 0.8%
Miscellaneous 1.5%



THE INTERNATIONAL EVIDENCE

The U.S. is the most violent society in the industrialized world, and probably
the entire world as well. Although it doesn't have the most police per capita,
the U.S. does have the toughest laws and punishments by far. The question of
which came first, the chicken or the egg, is becoming much less relevant as time
passes; the U.S. has been following this "get tough" approach for decades, with
no significant reduction of its violent crime rate.
j***@earthlink.net
2003-07-20 16:24:06 UTC
Permalink
Post by => Vox Populi ©
Post by => Vox Populi ©
Proof the U$$A is the #1 nation on earth.
Those stats (snipped) were very interesting. Where did you get them
from?
-2 grammar, sentences don't end in prepositions.
Great Troll, you know english, we're happy for you jackass.
=> Vox Populi ©
2003-07-20 16:31:16 UTC
Permalink
Post by j***@earthlink.net
Post by => Vox Populi ©
Post by => Vox Populi ©
Proof the U$$A is the #1 nation on earth.
Those stats (snipped) were very interesting. Where did you get them
from?
-2 grammar, sentences don't end in prepositions.
Great Troll, you know english, we're happy for you jackass.
US DOJ
FBI Bureau of Justice Statistics
Sourcebook of Criminal Justice Statistics
World Factbook of Criminal Justice Systems
United Nations Criminal Justice Network


You snipped the irrefutable sources of the uncomfortable fact you
were naively ignorant of, yet now attempt to avoid and ignore.

You're right lowlife, the U$$A IS #1 ....
--
Proof the U$$A is the "greatest" nation on earth:

Prisoners (per 1,000 people)

United States 4.2
United Kingdom 1.0
Germany 0.8
France 0.8
Austria 0.8
Spain 0.8
Switzerland 0.7
Denmark 0.7
Belgium 0.7
Italy 0.6
Sweden 0.6
Japan 0.4
Netherlands 0.4

Annual reports of police brutality (per 100,000 people)

United States 92.5
United Kingdom 6.0
France 0.7

Death row inmates

United States 2,124
Japan 38
All others 0

Murder rate (per 100,000 people)

United States 8.40
Canada 5.45
Denmark 5.17
France 4.60
Portugal 4.50
Australia 4.48
Germany 4.20
Belgium 2.80
Spain 2.28
Switzerland 2.25
Italy 2.18
Norway 1.99
United Kingdom 1.97
Austria 1.80
Greece 1.76
Sweden 1.73
Japan 1.20
Ireland 0.96
Finland 0.70

Murder rate for males age 15-24 (per 100,000 people)

United States 24.4
Canada 2.6
Sweden 2.3
Norway 2.3
Finland 2.3
Denmark 2.2
United Kingdom 2.0
Netherlands 1.2
Germany 0.9
Japan 0.5

Rape (per 100,000 people)

United States 37.20
Sweden 15.70
Denmark 11.23
Germany 8.60
Norway 7.87
United Kingdom 7.26
Finland 7.20
France 6.77
Switzerland 6.15
Luxembourg 5.00
Spain 4.43
Austria 4.40
Belgium 4.00
Greece 2.40
Ireland 1.72
Japan 1.40
Portugal 1.20

Armed robbery (per 100,000 people)

United States 221
Canada 94
France 90
Belgium 66
United Kingdom 63
Italy 50
Sweden 49
Germany 47
Ireland 46
Denmark 44
Finland 38
Switzerland 23
Norway 22
Greece 7
Japan 1



TYPE OF OFFENSE (Sentenced Pop. Only) - Federal Prisoners

Drug Offenses 59.6%
Robbery 9.8%
Property Offenses 5.5%
Extortion, Fraud, Bribery 6.8%
Violent Offenses 2.7%
Firearms, Explosives, Arson 8.6%
White Collar 1.0%
Immigration 2.8%
Courts or Corrections 0.8%
National Security 0.1%
Continuing Criminal Enterprise 0.8%
Miscellaneous 1.5%



THE INTERNATIONAL EVIDENCE

The U.S. is the most violent society in the industrialized world, and probably
the entire world as well. Although it doesn't have the most police per capita,
the U.S. does have the toughest laws and punishments by far. The question of
which came first, the chicken or the egg, is becoming much less relevant as time
passes; the U.S. has been following this "get tough" approach for decades, with
no significant reduction of its violent crime rate.
Fred J. McCall
2003-07-20 16:52:20 UTC
Permalink
<***@earthlink.net> wrote:

:"=> Vox Populi ©" <***@popu.li> wrote in message
:news:ybySa.909$***@news.uswest.net...
:> Mike Mitchell wrote:
:> > On Sat, 19 Jul 2003 14:32:56 -0600, "=> Vox Populi ©" <***@popu.li>
:> > wrote:
:> >
:> >> Proof the U$$A is the #1 nation on earth.
:> >
:> > Those stats (snipped) were very interesting. Where did you get them
:> > from?
:>
:> -2 grammar, sentences don't end in prepositions.
:
: Great Troll, you know english, we're happy for you jackass.

If you're going to play badminton with a mindless troll like Vox
Populi, at least show some style. A much more appropriate response to
his grammar flames (generally regarded as the height of cluelessness),
above, would have been the .sig, below.

An appropriate prefacing remark would have been something along the
lines of, "I fear I must agree with Mr Churchill's evaluation of such
priggish criticisms."
--
"This is the sort of pedantry up with which I will not put."

-- Winston Churchill
=> Vox Populi ©
2003-07-20 16:59:07 UTC
Permalink
Post by Fred J. McCall
Post by j***@earthlink.net
Post by => Vox Populi ©
Post by => Vox Populi ©
Proof the U$$A is the #1 nation on earth.
Those stats (snipped) were very interesting. Where did you get them
from?
-2 grammar, sentences don't end in prepositions.
Great Troll, you know english, we're happy for you jackass.
If you're going to play badminton with a mindless troll like Vox
Populi, at least show some style. A much more appropriate response to
his grammar flames (generally regarded as the height of cluelessness),
above, would have been the .sig, below.
An appropriate prefacing remark would have been something along the
lines of, "I fear I must agree with Mr Churchill's evaluation of such
priggish criticisms."
--
"This is the sort of pedantry up with which I will not put."

-- Winston Churchill


The Neanderthal jaybeatty lacks the sophmoric intellect and wit that
you sometimes are capable of displaying.
James Hall
2003-07-21 00:01:09 UTC
Permalink
Brilliant retort.

JHall.
Post by j***@earthlink.net
Post by => Vox Populi ©
Post by => Vox Populi ©
Proof the U$$A is the #1 nation on earth.
Those stats (snipped) were very interesting. Where did you get them
from?
-2 grammar, sentences don't end in prepositions.
Great Troll, you know english, we're happy for you jackass.
j***@earthlink.net
2003-07-20 17:44:54 UTC
Permalink
Post by => Vox Populi ©
Post by => Vox Populi ©
Proof the U$$A is the #1 nation on earth.
Those stats (snipped) were very interesting. Where did you get them
from?
-2 grammar, sentences don't end in prepositions.
They do in this village!
You meant to say, "they do this village in"
MM
--
US involvement in Foreign assassinations or attempts
1960 - General Abdul Karim Kassem, leader of Iraq
1961 - Francois Duvalier, leader of Haiti
1961 - Patrice Lumumba, Prime Minister of the Congo
1961 - General Rafael Trujillo, leader of Dominican Republic
1963 - Ngo Dinh Diem, President of South Vietnam
1960s - Fidel Castro, President of Cuba , numerous attempts
1960s - Raul Castro, brother of Fidel.
1965 - Francisco Caamano, Opposition leader, Dominican Republic
1965-6 - Charles de Gaulle, President of France
1967 - Ernesto Che Guevara, Cuban leader
1970 - Salvador Allende, President of Chile
1970 - General Rene Schneider, Commander of Chilean Army
1970s, 81 - General Omar Torrijos, leader of Panama
1972 - General Manuel Noriega, chief of Panama Intelligence
1975 - Mobutu Sese Seko, President of Zaire
1976 - Michael Manley, Prime Minister of Jamaica
1980-86 - Moammar Qaddafi, leader of Libya, numerous attempts
1982 - Ayatollah Khomeine, leader of Iran
1983 - General Ahmed Dlimi, Army commander of Morocco
1983 - Miguel d'Escoto, Foreign Minister of Nicaragua
1984 - All nine leaders of the Nicaraguan National Directorate
1985 - Sheikh Mohammed Hussein Fadlallah, Lebanon Shiite leader
1991 - Saddam Hussein, leader of Iraq
1998 - Osama bin Laden, former US trained "freedom fighter".
1999 - Slobodan Mlosevic, President of Yugoslavia
2001 - Osama bin Laden, al Qaida leader
2001 - Mullah Omar, religious leader of Taliban
2003 - Saddam Hussein and Family, Leader of Iraq
"Indeed, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just"
- Thomas Jefferson Notes from Virginia
There are allot of names of people on that list that should have been
assassinated, but then what does that have to do with the discussion troll?
!
2003-07-20 01:09:01 UTC
Permalink
Post by - Vox Populi ©
Now this IS funny ... shut up and die for the Bu$h Mob's lies you stupid
grunts, and no
whining about it either
Posted on Fri, Jul. 18, 2003
Grumbling U.S. Troops May Face Punishment
Hell, that's nothing. Wait until the troops get REALLY fed up and start
mowing the ragheads down My Lai-style
=> Vox Populi ©
2003-07-20 02:00:50 UTC
Permalink
Post by !
Post by - Vox Populi ©
Now this IS funny ... shut up and die for the Bu$h Mob's lies you stupid
grunts, and no
whining about it either
Posted on Fri, Jul. 18, 2003
Grumbling U.S. Troops May Face Punishment
Hell, that's nothing. Wait until the troops get REALLY fed up and start
mowing the ragheads down My Lai-style
Or fragging their own COs and/or deserting ... Vietnam style
Nemesis
2003-07-20 10:17:44 UTC
Permalink
Post by => Vox Populi ©
Post by !
Post by - Vox Populi ©
Now this IS funny ... shut up and die for the Bu$h Mob's lies you stupid
grunts, and no
whining about it either
Posted on Fri, Jul. 18, 2003
Grumbling U.S. Troops May Face Punishment
Hell, that's nothing. Wait until the troops get REALLY fed up and start
mowing the ragheads down My Lai-style
Or fragging their own COs and/or deserting ... Vietnam style
One officer was fragged at the very start of all this - the soldier
threw a grenade into a command post tent
So we have grunts fragging
We have guerilla style tactics
We have the US public whining about casualties
mmm kinda harks back to another conflict doesn't it

Advice to US troops when Shitzfeld says you are going in home in Spet
etc
1. Ask him what year
2. Is that in or out of a body bag


__
Still no WMD and the US still full of shit
Maria
2003-07-20 12:01:19 UTC
Permalink
Shame on you Jeff
Post by Nemesis
One officer was fragged at the very start of all this - the soldier
threw a grenade into a command post tent
So we have grunts fragging
We have guerilla style tactics
We have the US public whining about casualties
mmm kinda harks back to another conflict doesn't it
Advice to US troops when Shitzfeld says you are going in home in Spet
etc
1. Ask him what year
2. Is that in or out of a body bag
__
Still no WMD and the US still full of shit
Nemesis
2003-07-20 12:10:02 UTC
Permalink
Post by Maria
Shame on you Jeff
Jeff? You lost me on that one Maria, who is Jeff?
Post by Maria
Post by Nemesis
One officer was fragged at the very start of all this - the soldier
threw a grenade into a command post tent
So we have grunts fragging
We have guerilla style tactics
We have the US public whining about casualties
mmm kinda harks back to another conflict doesn't it
Advice to US troops when Shitzfeld says you are going in home in Spet
etc
1. Ask him what year
2. Is that in or out of a body bag
__
Still no WMD and the US still full of shit
__
Still no WMD and the US still full of shit
Ed Debevic
2022-09-13 20:38:50 UTC
Permalink
Post by !
Post by - Vox Populi ©
Now this IS funny ... shut up and die for the Bu$h Mob's lies you stupid
grunts, and no
whining about it either
Posted on Fri, Jul. 18, 2003
Grumbling U.S. Troops May Face Punishment
Hell, that's nothing. Wait until the troops get REALLY fed up and start
mowing the ragheads down My Lai-style
Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou
amongst women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary,
mother of God, pray for us sinners; now and at the hour of our death.
=> Vox Populi ©
2003-07-21 21:17:27 UTC
Permalink
Post by !
Post by - Vox Populi ©
Now this IS funny ... shut up and die for the Bu$h Mob's lies you stupid
grunts, and no
whining about it either
Posted on Fri, Jul. 18, 2003
Grumbling U.S. Troops May Face Punishment
Hell, that's nothing. Wait until the troops get REALLY fed up and start
mowing the ragheads down My Lai-style
Saddam will eat your babies.
"Tayksis" BBQ style of course ...

Yeeeeeeee Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!
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